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every move in brawl should serve a purpose...

Demon_machinE

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Holy ****. Stop using a plethora of curses to try to make your point more valid. All it does is make you look like an immature moron. SOMEONE MADE A TOPIC TO DISCUSS TOURNAMENT LEVEL PLAY. Oh, my lord, you don't like it?!?! No way! Then shut up, and get out of the thread. Don't act like some just elitist coming in here to quell the ideas of the morons. Some people like talking about competitive play, like me. You don't? Go away, along with all the other *******es who came in here rambling about items.
Oh for ****s sake, you didnt even read my post. Just check my new thread im not staying in a thread with a bunch of illiterates who are too frightned by ****'s to read.
 

Ess oh Aytch

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Oh for ****s sake, you didnt even read my post. Just check my new thread im not staying in a thread with a bunch of illiterates who are too frightned by ****'s to read.
I know what you're trying to get at. You want people to stop *****ing about competitive play and telling people how to play, right? That's fine, I agree. In fact, my last post was sort of like yours, I guess. I was trying to dig up your point but I couldn't find it because all your uncontrolled E-anger was in the way.
 

Demon_machinE

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I know what you're trying to get at. You want people to stop *****ing about competitive play and telling people how to play, right? That's fine, I agree. In fact, my last post was sort of like yours, I guess. I was trying to dig up your point but I couldn't find it because all your uncontrolled E-anger was in the way.
Fine, but realize that normally I post in a purely intellectual manner. I happen to be drunk and extremly pissed off right now.

I can NOT believe the ignorance of the brawl forums. Im gonna put a few points here :

- No one is forcing you to play melee with certain rules
- if you dont wanna go to melee tournaments, dont
- if you dont like melee tourney rules, make your own tourney and see who shows up
- brawl isnt going to balance the tiers.
- nintendo doesnt make characters with competitive tiers in mind
- fox is going to be better than bowser even if bowsers has a laser sword
- stop *****ing about comptitive brawl
- not every move is going to serve a purpose in competitive play
- sakurai isnt making brawl a 1v1 game. and it will not be balanced accordingly
- the above is common sense, if you didnt realize this yourself, you should be shot
 

Sundown

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At cygnus and Skivich:

Go host your own fuking items and big blue tournaments and stop saying we play in a wrong way... all of your arguments about how "if you are badass enough u should be able to deal" and all of that BS you guys say... just go host ur own god dammed tournament and stop complaining here.

Lets c how many people u can get to travel cross state/country to a tournament with items on High and played in Big Blue, Mushroom Kingdom, and Hyrule Castle kk? Oh, nad you could hold the finals in Icicle Mountain too!!! yay!!!

Why dont you guys "man up" and "host tournaments the way they should be hosted?"... ***** scrubs these days
 

Demon_machinE

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At cygnus and Skivich:

Go host your own fuking items and big blue tournaments and stop saying we play in a wrong way... all of your arguments about how "if you are badass enough u should be able to deal" and all of that BS you guys say... just go host ur own god dammed tournament and stop complaining here.

Lets c how many people u can get to travel cross state/country to a tournament with items on High and played in Big Blue, Mushroom Kingdom, and Hyrule Castle kk?

Why dont you guys "man up" and "host tournaments the way they should be hosted?"... ***** scrubs these days

exactly. I just cant stand it anymore

You people whine as if melee players put a gun to your head everytime you start up your gamecube and tell you to turn items off.

read my thread title

Melee's tournament rules STAY IN TOURNAMENTS.

If you dont like tournament rules, simply create your own, and see who goes to your tournaments.

This is all common sense, I am losing my faith in humanity because you're mostly a bunch of idiots, save a few people. Who I respect.
 

Demon_machinE

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The game is meant to be fun for everyone, not just pros. If they take away more fun moves like Yoshis Egg Roll then the people who play non-competively will complain.

Yup. Smash is definatly not made with the competitive community in mind. The beauty of this game is it can be fun for EVERYONE! :chuckle::chuckle:

but the problem isnt tournament players, its scrubs. Its ****ing scrubs and you all know it.

Tourney players : Have their own rules
casual players : have fun, play anyway they want to
scrubs : never go to tournamanents. Sign up on smashboards. Whine endlessly on brawl section.


Smash is about one thing, and one thing only. *giant letters time*

HAVING FUN

I go to any tournament I can, but when I play friendlies with Dylan_Tnga you know what? We have all the stages except infinate mountain on. We also play with items sometimes *gasp!* and we play

ANY GOD**** WAY WE WANT TO. despite being competitive players.

You people are complaining about NOTHING. This doesnt make any sense anymore. Please, PLEASE stop being so ****ing stupid.
 
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Yup. Smash is definatly not made with the competitive community in mind. The beauty of this game is it can be fun for EVERYONE! :chuckle::chuckle:

but the problem isnt tournament players, its scrubs. Its ****ing scrubs and you all know it.

Tourney players : Have their own rules
casual players : have fun, play anyway they want to
scrubs : never go to tournamanents. Sign up on smashboards. Whine endlessly on brawl section.


Smash is about one thing, and one thing only. *giant letters time*

HAVING FUN

I go to any tournament I can, but when I play friendlies with Dylan_Tnga you know what? We have all the stages except infinate mountain on. We also play with items sometimes *gasp!* and we play

ANY GOD**** WAY WE WANT TO. despite being competitive players.

You people are complaining about NOTHING. This doesnt make any sense anymore. Please, PLEASE stop being so ****ing stupid.
I just wanted to say this.

Dylan's freakin' awsome.:p
 

TheZizz

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I'm not sure that the developers of any Smash Bros. iteration ever intended to create a move that served no purpose. As was spewed forth earlier, surely a number of factors such as 4-player play are taken into account, but in the case of moves like Mario's d-tilt I would probably chalk that up to human error.

More or less I'm in agreement with the OP, but I also hold that a certain caution is in order before we should decide the proper way to balance Smash Bros. Clearly the game does not necessarily adhere to the simple, mathematical, tried-and-true "fast but weak, slow but strong" way of thinking, which in my opinion is part of what makes it great.
 

greenblob

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Bad version, in what way - damage wise? The range of the arrows, and the control on where and how far it can go is what makes up for the lack of damage. So really it's not a worse version of any other move, just an altered one.
Bombs are better than uncharged arrows because of the stun, ability to launch up or down, extra range, and speed (if you don't count the fact that you have to pick one up first).

The boomerang is better than charged arrows because you can combo with them and they're more spammable.


Anyway, there are more examples, such as Marth's dsmash, which is obsolete because of the fsmash.
 

Knifey McStab

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actually marth's d-smash is good if you are not sure if they're gonna roll or not. it attacks both sides
 

wordman

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We have the five best smashers in the Band.

Dylan
Dylan
Dylan
Dylan
and Dylan T. cuz he spits hot fire.:mad::embarrass:mad::embarrass:mad:

Wait a minute. I dont care about casual or tourney. B00zer will pwn fox. hax.
 

Demon_machinE

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Even though I have pulled this particular technique multiple times on heavy rollers, I have to say that grabbing is much more applicable.
Heavy Rollers, lol, I never met one. Id probably 4 stock him.

Rolling is ok every now and then, but its realllly a bad idea to do it too frequently.

Grabbing >>>> downsmash.
 

Ophelius

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You know the little sprinkles you had on your ice
We have the five best smashers in the Band.

Dylan
Dylan
Dylan
Dylan
and Dylan T. cuz he spits hot fire.:mad::embarrass:mad::embarrass:mad:

Wait a minute. I dont care about casual or tourney. B00zer will pwn fox. hax.
Sorry for the double post, but our five best smashers are in the band too... One of their names is Dillon. Where in Texas do you live?!?!?!!!?!?!?!... !!!... 11:lick:
 

Demon_machinE

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But a single bob-omb can turn the entire match around. Marth would have projectiles. Sheik would be top teir again. What then? JK!

But seriously. Tournament's are fun, too. Just because you lose in the first round...
Yeah, well tournaments can be fun even if you dont enter. Friendlies, or money match anyone? :chuckle:

People who are so predjudice to tourneys should just ****ing go to one and see how fun it is. They think because we have rules that we're all like

Smash brothers : serious business

Which we aren't... tourneys are like 98 percent laughs and good times.

''No items, Final destination, wavedashing only''

is the rules people think we use, which makes me laugh because it makes nooooooo sense.
 

wordman

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Sorry for the double post, but our five best smashers are in the band too... One of their names is Dillon. Where in Texas do you live?!?!?!!!?!?!?!... !!!... 11:lick:
SOUTH TEXAS/Houston/Galveston (resident)!!!!!! KID!!!! NARF!!!!!!!!

CLAN MIGHTOR!!! AKA TEAM THUNDARR THE BARBARIAN!!!

YES!!!
 

Falco&Victory

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About the competitive scenne: have any of you tourny bashers ever been to one? If yes, i'm guessing you got destroyed, right? I'll tell you right now, 3 pros live here in Wa and go to tourneys, and they aren't stuck-up serious players at all. Playing by skill doesn't mean you cant have fun. Go play poker if you want, i'm gonna go play some vb. And btw, Ken would slaughter anyone in an item fight.

Ok, to the main point: Some moves WILL suck, i just hope that more moves will have their uses.
 

Jaykizzle

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well i have to agree that all moves serve a purpose.

im a luigi guy and everyone says that his Uair is the weakest aerial in his arsenal but i've been able to use it 2 times after an up throw into a Fair....sometimes i even use it as a finisher (which is tough but possible. it makes the guy go straight left or right depending on the damage and location of the hit)

my bro does get me with that ganondorf utilt move during recoveries but its not that often that he does it. so that might be the only nail in the coffin.

personally in the end..i think that it just works with fighting style. some moves suit others better i guess
 

Jakatsu

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Every move serves a purpose, even if that purpose is laughing and jumping around after you hit that Ganon Utilt.
 

Stuhddabahkz

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Every move serves a purpose, even if that purpose is laughing and jumping around after you hit that Ganon Utilt.
Wow, that move is horrendous. That guy must be good with Ganon, or you suck at recovering. J/K But yeah, every move DOES serve a purpose, just like clones. Filling up spots. =D
 

Crazy Ace 01

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i think this is the best way to make brawl better than melee. in melee, there are a bunch of moves that are not very useful in competitive play. this is usually due to the lag before or after or both, their inability to combo with, their hitbox, or something stupid like that.
Every move, no matter how laggy or mutated its hitbox is, can serve some purpose. Blaming the construction of the move is shouting "I'm not creative enough to find a better way to use it". Besides, if the characters were all perfectly balanced out, the game would turn into rock paper scissors on the competitive level. If all the characters were perfectly balanced, than every match would be predetermined. Variation is needed to a certain extent to make the game interesting. Bowser shouldn't move like Fox for the sake of balance. Personally I enjoy beating a higher-tier character with a lower-tier character because then you prove beyond a doubt, that even at an unchangable disadvantage, you have more fighting skill, which is the focus of competitive play.

Your idea is well-intentioned but as we all know the road to hell is paved with those. Besides, I don't believe that Brawl will be constructed around "competitive" play in the first place.
 

specialsauce

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chaacters have diffrent moves for a reason if all there moves were completley "useful" then it would throw strategy out the window, I mysellf play t his gam for fun and to win i mean who doesnt like winning and being competitive but come on what would dk be without his charged punch move , having captin falcon not say "FALCON PUNCH" would be avery sad not all the moves are equal to others but they add varitey and originality to the mix, i can see brawl having more character specified moves which really dip in to the peronality of each fighter, what would super smash bros be if characters didnt have ther own trade mark moves. seriously thats like sayin yoshis eggs arnt useful enough lets take em out or kirby sucking up abilty is to slow and he can only copy his opponents b moves so yeah lets get rid of that too. ALL THE MOVES DONT HAVE TO BE "USEFUL"! also im sick of this bull**** about how it sucks if its not good for "competitive play" just shut the **** up, seriously this game meant to be fun and when people go around saying stuff sucks , "guh final smashes are dumb they are so unfair guh" please just go away and stop complaing
 

Demon_machinE

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also im sick of this bull**** about how it sucks if its not good for "competitive play" just shut the **** up, seriously this game meant to be fun and when people go around saying stuff sucks , "guh final smashes are dumb they are so unfair guh" please just go away and stop complaing
As a competitive player I do have my complaints over new things in brawl, but I entirely understand where you are coming from.

I too and extremly annoyed by this non stop ''Smash is imbalanced, sakurai is gonna balance the tiers'' nonsense that has been flying around for months.

Same goes with people who think sakurai is changing characters with a 1v1 setting in mind.. he isnt. This game is a fun party game, it will be made competitive by a private community.

Thing is, you can play smash anyway you want to, its very customizable, and thats what makes it great.

I feel your anger man, just yesterday I was drunk as heck and ranting my head off the same way you are.
 

greenblob

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incorporate ganon's u-tilt in a match and i'll be impressed
Um... after a missed Rest or a shield break?

Anyway, not all useless moves are necessarily bad--they're just made obsolete by better moves. Marth's dsmash isn't a bad move at all, but it's stupid to use it when he has so many better options--and that's my main gripe. There are too many overlapping uses for various moves. Each move should serve a unique purpose.

im a luigi guy and everyone says that his Uair is the weakest aerial in his arsenal
Many of the most useful attacks are extremely weak ones, whereas many of the most useless ones are very powerful. Trading combos>trading hits
 

Eaode

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Um... after a missed Rest or a shield break?

Anyway, not all useless moves are necessarily bad--they're just made obsolete by better moves. Marth's dsmash isn't a bad move at all, but it's stupid to use it when he has so many better options--and that's my main gripe. There are too many overlapping uses for various moves. Each move should serve a unique purpose.
I disagree. If there weren't overlap and multi purpose/useful moves ("cover your ***" moves) then characters would be harder to learn. It would be a turnoff to casual players, who usually start to learn their character by using a few moves that are good in many scenarios, and then go from there.
 

greenblob

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Just because they're situational doesn't mean that they can't be useful. Jigg's rest is situational, but it has its uses. In SSB, Falcon Punch was situational, but it had its use as a combo finisher on fast fallers.
 

Takeshi245

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Moves like Mario's d-tilt would be nice if they were stronger. That way, it can help with combos for Mario. I rarely use d-tilt. 800th post!! YAY!!
 
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