EdgeGuarding / Gimping

[l3lue2ain]

I was reading through the threads and looking at alot of questions including my own. Then this thought occurred to me alot of people having problems beating a charactor they don't know how to gimp. There are threads about improving your game playing against a character or what you should be doing "while" fighting but what about when you knock them off the stage and you are going to "edge guard" what tactics are you going to use. they don't have a gimping or edge guarding thread . So maybe we can start a thread which we can use as a reference for dealing with a particular character. Lets say you already read some of the nice information posted up in the threads now your doing it with this its helping you to keep them off. Thats all I'm saying ​

Just Up+B
Mario - Fair, Dair & Nair very effective
Donkey Kong- Dair , fair (situational)
Link - Dair, Fair & Nair
Samus - Dair & Fair
Kirby - Dair , Fair & Nair
Fox -Fair & Dair
Pikachu-Fair & Dair
Marth - Dair
G & W - I don't know...
Luigi - Fair , Dair & Nair
Diddy Kong - Questionable depending on the Diddy Dair
Zelda - I don't know
Shiek- I don't know
Pit - Fair & Nair
Metaknight- Dair
Falco - Dair
Pokemon Trainer- I don't know
Ike - Dair
Snake - Fair
Peach - I don't know
Yoshi - I don't know
Gannondorf - Fair , Nair & Dair
Ice Climbers - Nair & Fair
King Dedede - Nair , Fair & Dair
Wolf - I don't know I have been trying fair.
Lucario - I don't know
Ness - usually just killing his ball makes him unable to recover.
Sonic - I don't know
Bowser - I don't know
Wario - Nair & Fair
Toon Link - Dair, Nair and Fair
R.O.B - Nair & Fair
Olimar - Nair , Fair & Dair
Captin Falcon - Nair, Fair & Dair
Jiggypuff - Fair
Lucas - ?



People with Other recoveries besides up+b


Link -
Samus -
Kirby -
Fox -
Luigi -
Diddy -
Metaknight - ? still a problem
Falco -
Pokemon Trainer - ( Depending on the pokemon Charizard can fly)
Ike -
Snake -
Peach -
GannonDorf -
Ice Climbers -
Wolf-
Lucario -
Sonic -
Browser -
Wario -
Toon Link -
Shiek -

I will start this list tommorow I don't know the anwser obviously for every single charactor so I am asking the community for help ;P.


*Legend
-Fair = Forward A in the Air
-Dair =Down A in the Air
-Nair =Neutral A in the Air

Updates :
Start -07-24-2008, 12:27 AM
Update Log: 07-27-2008, 10:32 AM ( work still in progress)
So here we are again I will be updating this thread thank you guys for your post and contributions I became so busy so I did not really get a chance to sit down and do this but now I have time so here goes.

 

[Quez256]

Just a note, Samus, Link, TLink, and Sheik all have Tether recovery options. Charizard, Pit, & MK(duh) can glide as well if you're counting that as an alternate recovery. Wario, Ganon, Sonic, Ike, Falcon, Fox, Falco, Diddy, Luigi, & Wolf have their side-b specials. And lastly, every one of MK's specials can be used as a recovery.

Side note, Marth's shieldbreaker/neutral-b can give some horizontal distance when fully charged from the air.

Side note 2: Luigi also has a bit of vertical/horizontal gain from his down-b.

Help a bit? ^_^

 

[Affinity]

Lucas' PKT2 goes through opponents unlike Ness'.

 

[l3lue2ain]

Just a note, Samus, Link, TLink, and Sheik all have Tether recovery options. Charizard, Pit, & MK(duh) can glide as well if you're counting that as an alternate recovery. Wario, Ganon, Sonic, Ike, Falcon, Fox, Falco, Diddy, Luigi, & Wolf have their side-b specials. And lastly, every one of MK's specials can be used as a recovery.

Side note, Marth's shieldbreaker/neutral-b can give some horizontal distance when fully charged from the air.

Side note 2: Luigi also has a bit of vertical/horizontal gain from his down-b.

Help a bit? ^_^

I'll update it in the morning I guess I guess because I am tired I am making such mistakes however I thank everyone for they're input and I'll trying fixing it in the morning. I think this thread could possibly end up important because if you can't keep the person off the stage in most cases you won't win. Also if you guys can help me fill in the edge guarding materials that I was unsure off because there were not exactly a surplus of players for me fight to try to gimp they're recovery.

 

[ckm]

i actually tried making one of these, but didnt get many responses. I think its important, so I will try to help keep yours alive, as well as contribute what I can.

 

[Quez256]

Bump, this is actually a useful bit of info to have available.

 

[DFEAR]

would be more useful if there was a mini-description on how to gimp each character effectively once their off the stage. ill help anyway i can

 

[ckm]

would be more useful if there was a mini-description on how to gimp each character effectively once their off the stage. ill help anyway i can

yeah, a list of techs that work arent very helpful without a discription.

ill help... heres a few off the top of my head:

Space animals (fox/falco/wolf):

Its hard to actually gimp these guys if they are good, but you can do it if they use up b instead of side b. (if they are coming from below, it will have to be upb. this is gimpable with a well timed dair) Fox/falco's upb have startup time, and can be gimped while they are starting it up. Hit them out of it for the kill.

If they are too far away, or you suspect they will use sideb, you have a couple options.
1) if they are far enough out (you have to learn the distance/timing), and you know they will have to sweetspot the edge, you can grab the edge and edgehog them at the right time so your invincibility frames will protect you as they zip to the ledge. They will then fall to their death.
2) If they are going to return to the stage (you have to predict this, or mindgame it), you can punish them as they land. They will have lag, so you can smash them if you space it right. OR, (my favorite) you start up a tornado near the edge and let them fly right into it. This is great for some free damage, although it wont net you the KO.

I have played around with neutral air for a sideb counter, but have had mixed results. I think if you time it right, you might be able to out prioritize it, but if anyone else knows for sure, let me know.



I was gonna add more but my gf is getting impatient so ill add more later. gl with the thread.

 

[Quez256]

yeah, a list of techs that work arent very helpful without a discription.

ill help... heres a few off the top of my head:

Space animals (fox/falco/wolf):

Its hard to actually gimp these guys if they are good, but you can do it if they use up b instead of side b. (if they are coming from below, it will have to be upb. this is gimpable with a well timed dair) Fox/falco's upb have startup time, and can be gimped while they are starting it up. Hit them out of it for the kill.

If they are too far away, or you suspect they will use sideb, you have a couple options.
1) if they are far enough out (you have to learn the distance/timing), and you know they will have to sweetspot the edge, you can grab the edge and edgehog them at the right time so your invincibility frames will protect you as they zip to the ledge. They will then fall to their death.
2) If they are going to return to the stage (you have to predict this, or mindgame it), you can punish them as they land. They will have lag, so you can smash them if you space it right. OR, (my favorite) you start up a tornado near the edge and let them fly right into it. This is great for some free damage, although it wont net you the KO.

I have played around with neutral air for a sideb counter, but have had mixed results. I think if you time it right, you might be able to out prioritize it, but if anyone else knows for sure, let me know.



I was gonna add more but my gf is getting impatient so ill add more later. gl with the thread.

Edgeguardig the side-b like this works against Falco & Fox, but do NOT try and intercept Wolf; there's a sweetspot right at the end that I've been KO'ed more than enough times to forget >.>

Same thing applies for the up-b, just a shorter startup.

 

[ckm]

Edgeguardig the side-b like this works against Falco & Fox, but do NOT try and intercept Wolf; there's a sweetspot right at the end that I've been KO'ed more than enough times to forget >.>

Same thing applies for the up-b, just a shorter startup.

ah, yes. thanks for correcting that. Wolf's return is actually a spike, right? Tornado interception combined with good edgehogging timing has been my best strategy against wolf.

 

[Quez256]

ah, yes. thanks for correcting that. Wolf's return is actually a spike, right? Tornado interception combined with good edgehogging timing has been my best strategy against wolf.

I'd compare it more to Falcon's knee, but the idea is don't try and gimp it.