OrbitAnubis
Smash Rookie
As far as I can tell, he can compete with a lot of the roster. I'm just curious to what his weaknesses are.
His edge and combo game are really good
His edge and combo game are really good
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Does Roy have any bad matchups?
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Erik Aldereguia
Smash Cadet
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I'm fairly new to the game, only playing a year or so but in my experience as playing Roy, I've had a hard time with Mario. it seems very difficult to get in against him, although once you can, you can combo him fairly well, but that gets harder when facing better players who know how to DI consistently. I haven't had as much a problem with other characters who have a strong zoning game like link, however, this may just be lack of experience, as I have not had too many matches against such characters. I have read snake is a tough MU, but I always cp my secondary, Zelda for that MU, so I can't rly say. Another MU i find can be difficult is marth, basically since he has a slightly better grab game and pseudo-outranges you. if hes playing smart, he can keep you at a distance where the tipper is always a threat, but similar to mario, he can be in a tough situation once you get in, as long as you dont get grabbed. so this is definitely a skill matchup, but i'd give the edge to marth.
ShadowGanon
Smash Lord
Sheik, Mario, Pit, Mewtwo, Link, and Marth (55/45 in Marth's favor) are some MUs that come to mind.
Chromewhip
Smash Cadet
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just a heads up, roys fair destroys marios fireballs, so approach with fairs constantly(swipe those fireballs away!), pretty easy to get in once you've figured that out.
Erik Aldereguia
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ah ok. that is something i had not thought about. i generally try to go under them, but it can be easier said then done. hadnt rly thought about a fair wall. (i generally like to approach with shffl'ed nair, though i suppose thats not always the optimum choice) unfortunately i don't have many people to practice with, so I dont get all that much practice against certain matchups. only played a couple of mario's. thanks for the tip!
Remo
Smash Apprentice
Other than Sheik I can agree with this list. CC Dtilts rip Sheik and Spaced Nairs tear through needles. For me Marth rips me though. Lucario is a hard MU IMO as well and maybe 55/45 MK as well.
ShadowGanon
Smash Lord
Sheik can CC the d-tilt and only the first hit of N-air tears through needles. It's around the same difficulty (if not a bit harder) than fighting a Marth (around 60/40 in Sheik's favor).
Remo
Smash Apprentice
I see! I knew she could CC the Dtilt but I usually try to mind game and lead into grabs when they read the Dtilt.And I didn't know it was only the first hit of Nair. I guess I just read Sheiks easier. Marth feels like 90/10 for me! Thank for the info. I'll make sure to not make that error again!
Azureflames
Smash Apprentice
ShadowGanon
Smash Lord
The secret is to be better at the grounded grab -> tech chase -> punish game and spacing than he is.I would love to know the secret to the Roy vs Marth matchup lol. @Remo I have the same problem. My friend mains marth and he beats me 80-90% of the time we play unless he SDs a stock or two or I'm playing Godlike (which doesnt happen all too often lol).
Remo
Smash Apprentice
The only thing I don't do well against Marth is space. My grab tech chase and punish are solid as hell. I just get reckless and don't space at all lol.
Scuba Steve
Smash Ace
I think DK is a bad match-up for Roy. DK's punishes are ridiculous on him.
TFerg
Smash Apprentice
I also kinda agree with DK. You'd think that you could out space him but a really good DK will make you cry.
Scuba Steve
Smash Ace
He can also crouch cancel all of Roy's stuff for soooooo long. Crouch cancel -> grab on Roy = ggz
Kirito-
Smash Cadet
I find the Marth/Roy MU to be slightly in Marth's favor but not by much. I pretty much main both characters so I know some of the tricks with both.
Marth can keep Roy out as long as he plays smart. SHFFL nair and fair will keep Roy out so dash dance to bait out moves and punish. Once you're in, you can deal some heavy damage. I usually just go for the Dtilt follow by a short Uair juggle to Bair. Edge guarding a good Marth with Roy is very difficult but Marth has a fairly easy time edge guarding Roy. Roy is also at the weight where he can get combo'd by Marth coupled with his slower mobility and weaker grab game make it a hard MU for beginners, but once you learn the MU, you can punish really hard with your superior punishes and combo game.
It's about 55/45 IMO.
Marth can keep Roy out as long as he plays smart. SHFFL nair and fair will keep Roy out so dash dance to bait out moves and punish. Once you're in, you can deal some heavy damage. I usually just go for the Dtilt follow by a short Uair juggle to Bair. Edge guarding a good Marth with Roy is very difficult but Marth has a fairly easy time edge guarding Roy. Roy is also at the weight where he can get combo'd by Marth coupled with his slower mobility and weaker grab game make it a hard MU for beginners, but once you learn the MU, you can punish really hard with your superior punishes and combo game.
It's about 55/45 IMO.
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
What are you nutjobs talking about, nobody can CC Roy's dtilt unless they are already crouching, which 95% of the time is not the case
Scuba Steve
Smash Ace
Well that's a good thing that dtilt isn't the only move that Roy mains use
DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
Huh, it's almost like I was responding to something in particular
Scuba Steve
Smash Ace
You looking for a snide remark showdown?
ShadowGanon
Smash Lord
*Insert snide remark here*
menotyou135
Smash Journeyman
I Ftilt a lot in the marth matchup and it works out pretty well for me in spacing. I believe it is longer range than marth's fsmash (can anybody confirm?)
Kirito-
Smash Cadet
I believe you are right, can't 100% confirm this atm, but when I do, I'll tell you.
Shokio
Netplay 4 Days
Mario, Link, and DK (oh God, DK), are definitely his worst match-ups.
I agree with Marth too. I generally have a tough time with Marth's. I feel the MU is 60/40
I agree with Marth too. I generally have a tough time with Marth's. I feel the MU is 60/40
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victinivcreate1
Banned via Warnings
I can confirm it. Roy's ftilt outranges Marth's fsmash, and even Mewtwo's fsmash. Its a VERY long move.
Scuba Steve
Smash Ace
ShadowGanon
Smash Lord
menotyou135
Smash Journeyman
In my experience, if you have trouble with one particular matchup, play the character you are having trouble with for a while. That will help you deal with that character's playstyle because you can sense better what they are going to do in certain situations, and you will have a better grasp of their weaknesses.
Crin
Smash Rookie
I feel like floaties are decently hard for him as he can't juggle them as well. Could just be me not able to deal with them properly. I'm still fairly new to competitive Smash.
Marth is definitely in Marth's favor. Anyone with a lot of projectile spam, like Sheik, Mario, and Pit.
And personally, I have issues versus Game & Watch and Wario. Could just be me playing either match-up poorly. Anyone have tips I can use?
Marth is definitely in Marth's favor. Anyone with a lot of projectile spam, like Sheik, Mario, and Pit.
And personally, I have issues versus Game & Watch and Wario. Could just be me playing either match-up poorly. Anyone have tips I can use?
Landonio
Smash Rookie
Need help against heavy zoners/spammers. Played a Mario that literally sit back and spammed fireballs the entire game and just down smashed whenever I got in close. Rinse, repeat. He destroyed me. I have a way easier time against aggressive Marios. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
menotyou135
Smash Journeyman
Jab the fireballs while wavedashing to approach.
Landonio
Smash Rookie
If only it were that easy. -_- Can't wait for the Mario nerfs.
menotyou135
Smash Journeyman
Never said it was easy. I just said that it is a solution.
Risky
Smash Ace
I think Roy beats Mario. Roy can combo the **** out of him safely (which few characters can do) and has a really strong grab game. If you're playing a swordie and can't clank fireballs something is wrong. Learn the trajectories when he shoots them and play patiently. There's no need to rush, Mario can't approach you either. You can often duck under them if you space properly and get a free Dtilt. His CC game isn't nearly as relevant if you space, as he'll get hit far enough that the Dsmash won't reach you. Controlling center stage is very important as being backed into a corner against fireballs is a total nightmare.
Azureflames
Smash Apprentice
I disagree with this opinion. I think the MU is in Marios favor but winnable as Roy. fireballs are clankable but the doesnt mean that it's a sure-fired solution. You say mario cant approach you but with the use of smart fireballs and positioning Mario can often put you in really bad spots. Nair/Bair/Dsmash all come out incredibly fast so it can be easy to catch Roy out inbetween some of his chasing combos. I think you're undercutting the strengths of Mario and what he can do if in the right hands. Not to mention Mario practically has a chain grab from 0-60% on Roy. This MU can easily be lost by Roy if you aren't playing smart.
On the other side of the coin, Roy can can combo Mario pretty well when you get in with grabs or Dtilts. Although, It's really easy to get interrupted by a Nair or Bair though if you don't know the exact depths and timings of Roy's combo game
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InfinityCollision
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Beating a zoner Mario is easy.
Beating a Mario who uses fireballs as an approach tool and knows what he's doing with the rest of his kit as well is significantly less easy, but still very doable. I think Marth has a better time of it in this matchup for several reasons, but I don't think the Roy-Mario matchup is any worse than even.
Beating a Mario who uses fireballs as an approach tool and knows what he's doing with the rest of his kit as well is significantly less easy, but still very doable. I think Marth has a better time of it in this matchup for several reasons, but I don't think the Roy-Mario matchup is any worse than even.
menotyou135
Smash Journeyman
Roy's ftilt and dtilt are really useful vs mario and since roy can play more aggressive it is easier to catch mario off guard.
Marth is good at making character's play at his pace, but mario is better. Because of this, I feel like you have to be able to get in against mario which roy is better at.
Risky
Smash Ace
Solutions to Fireball are many. Powershield, full jump, clank, dash dance, crouching, platforms, whatever else I'm missing. You need to vary your options so he feels less safe throwing them out so often and won't know how you're going to respond each time, making his followups less effective. Fireballs are by far most deadly when you're forced into a tech situation, as it basically guarantees a followup at no risk. You really need to either avoid getting knocked down, or really pay attention to what they're going for when you get up (often fulljump Fireball and they come down with it) and avoid that followup.
You should never get Nair'd of Bair'd by Mario out of any combo. That's the main point I wanted to make in my last post. Roy can safely combo Mario, unlike most of the cast. You can definitely space all of your aerials to make Nair next to irrelevant. Dsmash can be outspaced, or you can Nair/Dtilt him out of CC when you expect it.
The chaingrab I can't comment on, wasn't aware of that.
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