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Does Luigi's D-Tilt or Dash attack have any good uses?
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Cubelarooso
Smash Lord
Not really. Some might say it's alright over the ledge, but I think Ftilt or Dtilt will always be better options.
Although, if you do accidentally use it, you can make something out of it if the opponent reacts (very) incorrectly, possibly even an Up-B.
Although, if you do accidentally use it, you can make something out of it if the opponent reacts (very) incorrectly, possibly even an Up-B.
Cubelarooso
Smash Lord
Oh, somehow I didn't actually read that part.
To be honest, I haven't managed to fully integrated dtilt into my game, but what I've been toying with is
Jab hitconfirm -> Dtilt
Double fair -> Dtilt
Fair -> Nair -> Dtilt
These are only against shields, though, as dtilt has massive shield damage. Simply WD'ing in whith Dtilt (possibly following a Fireball) can also be effective if your opponent shields predictably.
Also, if you can surprise an off-stage fastfaller with it, its low knocback can leave them in a terrible position.
To be honest, I haven't managed to fully integrated dtilt into my game, but what I've been toying with is
Jab hitconfirm -> Dtilt
Double fair -> Dtilt
Fair -> Nair -> Dtilt
These are only against shields, though, as dtilt has massive shield damage. Simply WD'ing in whith Dtilt (possibly following a Fireball) can also be effective if your opponent shields predictably.
Also, if you can surprise an off-stage fastfaller with it, its low knocback can leave them in a terrible position.
Broasty
Smash Journeyman
D-Tilt eats shields and safely pushes you away (if the opponent has their shield up). If you want to go for shield pressure and pop their bubble to go for an easy SJP at the end of the day, link it after either your 1st or second Jab if you catch your opponent in shield during the combo. If it doesn't break? No probs, you're pushed away to safety...where you can continue to work on breaking the shield. If it does...well...I don't need to tell you that. 
Also, Dash attacks are great to push shielded opponents towards the edge of the stage off the stage. If you learn those matchups right, you can place yourself appropriately for a followup Dair for kill/punish maximization.
Also, Dash attacks are great to push shielded opponents towards the edge of the stage off the stage. If you learn those matchups right, you can place yourself appropriately for a followup Dair for kill/punish maximization.
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Broasty
Smash Journeyman
In those cases, if you're that close you're best going for a grab since those grabs are so slow (except Lucas).
steelguttey
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considering dash attack is unsafe on hit im p sure you should never use it
Actually, Link's is pretty quick. The slowest would be ZSS.
The only thing really slow about them is the recovery frames.
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Broasty
Smash Journeyman
You make a point, getting close with him is always risky.
Cubelarooso
Smash Lord
So I was trying out "jab" resets with dtilt, into grab of course, but I'd keep jabbing instead. I don't seem to have this problem if I just hold shield and mash A for grab, and in fact it feels like the move ends sooner.
Ghetto Blush
Smash Apprentice
I can't say I really know how far Luigi is pushed back from d-tilt on shield, but couldn't your opponent just WD OOS to punish?
Broasty
Smash Journeyman
They could if shield stun wasn't a thing. Without shield stun, pillaring would not be possible.
To my knowledge, there isn't a way to shorten the length of time D-tilt is active.
Broasty
Smash Journeyman
Ledge Cancel. Obviously that's really situational though. I could see it mostly occurring on FoD.
Cubelarooso
Smash Lord
Grounded normals can't be ledge cancelled.
G13_Flux
Smash Lord
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as much as i see where youre coming from, any time that you would use a dash attack in this situation, i think ftilt would be the better option. the only time that the dash attack would push them off the ledge is if they were literally teetering on it. any other time, simple shield DI would prevent you from being hit off.
I really, truly believe that luigi with his dash attack is in possession of the worst move that has ever went through a smash game. just how punishable it is on hit, how much lag there is afterwards, and how little reward it gets you just kinda baffles me. as much as I can sort of see some use for it on the edge where it might gain you something, there are tons of better options that luigi has between ftilt, fsmash, dsmash, dair, etc.
youre not wrong.. but i just feel that even in the situation you described its not worth it.
ThegreatVaporeon1
Smash Ace
Dash attack is pretty much worthless. Honestly he'd better off without it, because you will get punished hard if you accidentally do a DA. It's literally the worst move in the game.
As for dtilt, i dont use it much, but it's shield damage is phenomenal, akin to mr saturn. It does 15% damage with no kb if it hits the opponent, but if it hits a shield, it will grow extremely small. Great way to mix up your jab combos and wavedash in approaches.
As for dtilt, i dont use it much, but it's shield damage is phenomenal, akin to mr saturn. It does 15% damage with no kb if it hits the opponent, but if it hits a shield, it will grow extremely small. Great way to mix up your jab combos and wavedash in approaches.
Jobes
Smash Apprentice
Quick question for my slippery friends. How should I DI Luigi's dash attack if I do happen to find myself caught in it? Thanks all!
ThegreatVaporeon1
Smash Ace
Just crouch cancel it. And then punish, or just shield grab. You also go no where, so you can just take the damage and still punish him easily, with no DI. If you're caught in the air with his DA, then DI up and away.
Only a NOOB
Smash Cadet
Luigi's dash attack is terrible, yes... but it's not remotely the worst move in the game. Remember Jigglypuff's B-Up, Sing?
Seriously though, if you think you've found a use for Luigi's dash attack, use a different attack instead. Do not ever dash attack with Luigi because it is never safe. At least they buffed it in 3.5 so it isn't quite so easily punished if you use it by accident... but it is still not worth using.
Xykness
Smash Journeyman
Yeah I agree. Dash attack is a bad option 99% of the time. There are very few situations where it would work, but there is always a better option. I have broken shields with the last hit of it before, but a good player would be sure not to let that happen. To those who say it's good for edge guarding, I would argue that you could be using a more lethal move instead and secure your kill more safely and faster.
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