Does anybody have a good way to practice shine bairs?

[Jasou]

I find myself failing at them all the time. It would be really useful to know, I mean I can do them, but they are super slow and I'm not sure if they would work on a good reacting player at the speed I do them at (after 95% I can't do them). Is there a good way to practice them(inb4 just practice)? I use the A button for most of my aerials if that helps, I only c-stick my dairs(sometimes).

 

[Deleted member]

super sudden death mode, LV 1 cpu falcon. by the time shine would kill him off the top, shine bair STILL works as a combo.

iirc it works on peach over 500%, but it's hard to practice it outside of training mode with a c stick.

 

[Jasou]

Thank you I will definitely try it. This way to practice is really great... lol 3/99 first run then 4/99 hit... it's a start.

 

[Veetaak]

You could just put a cpu on lvl1 and jump into them to shine-->bair.

Tip: I wouldn't use "A" for shine bairs. You could try using the control stick to jump and the cstick to bair after you shined them

 

[Jasou]

Yeah I'm using control stick to jump and c-stick to bair, I also heard from a friend that you can use z for your bair, I might needa try that out.

 

[Bones0]

- if you are airborne, aerials out of shines are usually performed immediately to prevent them from getting out of range. Shine-dair is often used off stage in order to let you survive the lag of the dair. Shine-bair/nair/uair are typically used to ko opponents, and shine-fair is rarely used, but can add damage to opponents who aren’t at kill %. This technique can also be combined with shine turn around in order to change the direction of your attack.
- there are many different variations of control schemes available to shine-aerial properly. Some people jc the shine with up on the control stick and aerial with the c-stick or a button. Others jc the shine with y or x and aerial with the a button. I personally used to use the y and a button combination, but i switched to up and c-stick to prevent accidental wall jumps. Either method will work fine so long as you aren’t along a wall.

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[Jasou]

^ I mostly needed to know a good way to practice it and I think I've read a bit of your guide b4, mostly the laser section though. I think I may consider trying to use the A button for shine bairs while my bair is pointed ->, because it's sort of difficult for me to move the c-stick -> so fast.

 

[Bones0]

I have the same issue. I do a lot of accidental shine-dairs like that, but it seems to happen less and less. I also suck at getting to the c-stick up for quick uairs, but that's mostly for chars like Mario/Falcon.

 

[Maybe]

I'm not exactly a pro, but I'm trying to learn to get my OoS Shine bair down. I like to jump OoS -> Shine -> then jump with the analog and c-stick backwards. It works 98% of the time for me. Every rare time, I'll dair by accident cause my c-stick didn't travel horizontally as much.

 

[Jasou]

I'm not exactly a pro, but I'm trying to learn to get my OoS Shine bair down. I like to jump OoS -> Shine -> then jump with the analog and c-stick backwards. It works 98% of the time for me. Every rare time, I'll dair by accident cause my c-stick didn't travel horizontally as much.

Same, I need to start learning the OoS part as well. I guess I'll just need to mantain focus the whole battle to actually do it OoS and fast enough :/

 

[MOJoe]

Can anyone help me? I can't wavedash very well with Falco and I can't short hop almost at all with Fox. Should I stay with Falco and get down my wavedashing orn switch back to Fox and practice my short hopping?

 

[Naughty Pixel]

Can anyone help me? I can't wavedash very well with Falco and I can't short hop almost at all with Fox. Should I stay with Falco and get down my wavedashing orn switch back to Fox and practice my short hopping?

It really depends on which character you have the most fun/think you'll have the most fun with on the "do i stay or switch back" question.

Personally I think Falco is a pimp, and will forever main him, I only recently (two or three months ago) began wavedashing with him without ever messing up, and I've been playing Falco for about 6 or 7 months to give you some perspective. So I can tell you that eventually if you practice enough you will get the timing down on the wavedash.

So it's really up to you I'd bet that you'll have just as much trouble getting short hop consistency out of fox that you have right now with Falco. Also with time your thumbs will get faster regardless of whether or not you switched mains and after awhile you'll be able to short hop Fox even if he's not your main. If it were me, I'd stick with Falco because he's a pimp but it's up to you.

tl;dr:
Play who ever is fun for you, they're both technically demanding characters either way you'll have to practice ****loads before you can do everything you want.

Edit: It may also help to note that Falcos awkward wavedash is due to the fact that when you press jump he bends his knee onto the ground before he leaves the ground. (He is grounded until the 5th frame of his jump)