Do you pummel Lv. 9 CPUs?

[Belgrim]

I just can't do it, since their AI are programmed to inhumanely mash out of EVERYTHING. When I grab a CPU a take no thoughts to pummel them and simply throw them. Has anyone else developed this habit?

 

[J_Retribution]

I stopped wasting my time with CPU lvl 9. I didn't benefit from learning how to beat them it just becomes robotic in a sense. So yeah, I've definitely had the same thing.

I much prefer playing vs. lvl 7 & 8 CPU!

 

[DanielMota]

I don't mean to brag, but I'm quite good against Lv. 9 CPU's. I always play against them with no items, flat stages, and 3 stocks. For many years I've fought against Lv. 7's, until I one day thought "Maybe it's time I test My strength against Lv. 9!".

 

[Colonel Shubb Shubb]

It might take some time, but once you understand how the lvl. 9's work, they become pretty easy, and boring.

 

[Nebulax]

Throw 'em immediately. Nuff said.

 

[Donkeykong98123]

Question. Everybody says level 7 or 8 CPUs are better to fight against if you can't fight against real people. Why 7 or 8 instead of 9? Do 7 and 8 feel more human as opposed to 9?

 

[Zylach]

Lvl 9 cpu's do things that humans are literally incapable of doing whereas lvl 7 and 8 cpu's can't. Lvl 9 cpu's read your inputs and react with frame perfect power shielding, spot dodges, air dodges, and can perfectly tech all surfaces about 80% of the time allowing them to live to outrageous percents on certain stages which humans just can't do. While Lvl 7's and 8's aren't as "skilled" as lvl 9's, they aren't quite as ridiculous in terms of inhuman playstyles.

 

[Wanderer from Roseyard]

No, I just hold a direction as soon as they're grabbed. Even with triple digit damage, it takes them no time at all to break the grab.

Just another thing that makes them very tedious opponents.

 

[Los4Muros]

I temporarily moved to Albuquerque for a few months. And I haven't been able to play decent online matches since I don't have WiFi where I'm staying. So most of my practice has been against Lv. 9 CPUs and they are great training. The pummels do feel like a big problem, but I'm pretty sure that the more damage they have, if you instantly hit them after a grab, you can land two or three pummels. This is great practice since it makes you put in the pummels as fast as possible before going for the throw. Specially with Samus. I avoid throwing in hits at low percentages, but at high, I go for it. And at 50% I go for one or two pummels. Yeah, Lv. 9 CPUs sometimes go for perfect shields, perfect counters and some other details, but this is just great for practice. I gotta say, sometimes you'll even find a better match against a computer than a player in For Glory.

And yeah, I know. It's not the same or won't help me as much. But I got no internet, so this is all I can do. And so far, I'e been getting good.

 

[C_Mill24]

I almost never pummel when I get a grab. Mostly out of habit since when I've tried, I get one pummel and the opponent excapes the grab right afterwards.

 

[Holla@ChaBoi390]

They are pretty easy if you've played Smash since the beginning. I can win a 5 stock match against a level 9 without ever dying. They are very susceptible to getting spiked.

 

[chewchachoman]

Level 9's have an obnoxious ability to doge and perfect shield every one of your attacks. Their weakness is that they always air doge when landing so you can punish thier landing lag. If you don't have internet for some reason amiibos make great opponents.

 

[UltimateXsniper]

They are pretty easy if you've played Smash since the beginning. I can win a 5 stock match against a level 9 without ever dying. They are very susceptible to getting spiked.

Level 9's have an obnoxious ability to doge and perfect shield every one of your attacks. Their weakness is that they always air doge when landing so you can punish thier landing lag. If you don't have internet for some reason amiibos make great opponents.

It's not about that though. The OP means by grabbing and hitting them before you try to throw them, which they pretty much can escape insanely quick even at over 100%.

 

[Slonk]

No point, they escape immediately if you try. Meanwhile if they grab you, you can wriggle till the cows come home but they'll still smack you upwards of 15 times...

 

[Deleted member]

I never pummel, not even against human players.

 

[Smash Arena]

Level 9's are a joke to me, I can beat any Level 9 in the game.

 

[ZomBiehn]

Ya they seem to get out of grabs fairly quickly, unless I'm playing as lucario (who still can't hold em.long) I don't even bother pummeling cpu's

 

[Tino]

Lv. 9 CPUs are fun to play against. You don't really have to pummel them when you can just grab 'em and toss 'em.

 

[Kidd Ryze]

I can easily beat Lvl. 9s in the 3DS Smash. I've been playing it for a while, so I learned how to predict most of their strategies.

But Wii U tho? Nah.

The AI on the Wii U is crazy. I find myself getting my ass handed to me even when I try to predict their moves. Like many people said, Lvl. 9 on the Wii U is programmed to be ball-bustingly hard, and I can clearly see that.

Pummeling them is out of the question. They block almost all the time on both versions. I just throw and use carefully timed smash attacks.

 

[Quarium]

Beating them it's pretty damn easy, as they are often predictable and unorganic. Pummels tho? One at most, just throw the guys away.

 

[yahooda]

The amount of time you have before throwing depends on the opponents damage, right? With lvl 9's I don't pummel until they're around 80%. They break away after only 1 pummel, otherwise. I recommend doing 1 pummel before throwing only when they're at high percent.

 

[Poopmaster]

All of you losers saying how easy Lv 9 CPUs are and strutting out how good you think you are disgust me, it's not even thread related!

When they are about < 30%, CPUs will escape immediately if you go for a pummel.
At higher percents, you will be able to get more out, but from the top of my head, at about < 70% you can get 1 pummel until they escape the second. l don't know exact numbers, but the higher their percent, the harder it is for them to escape.

 

[Lemon Girl]

I only pummel them when they're higher than 100 % once, sometimes twice just to not lose the habit. But I remember a time when I grabbed a CPU at like 160 % and it IMMEDIATLY mashed out of it, really annoying.

 

[ThePikaWither]

I don't really pummel all that much (odd question), but I pretty much eat Level 9's for breakfast.

 

[hidensheik11]

Throw 'em immediately. Nuff said.

dude I would love to do pika dittos with you one day.

 

[Rakurai]

I don't bother.

Unfortunately, this habit tends to stick with me when I play actual players.

 

[1FC0]

I don't mean to brag, but I'm quite good against Lv. 9 CPU's. I always play against them with no items, flat stages, and 3 stocks. For many years I've fought against Lv. 7's, until I one day thought "Maybe it's time I test My strength against Lv. 9!".

Lv.9 CPU's suck mate so the fact that you consider them good enough to brag about beating them shows that you have little skill. Any smasher worth his salt can own a Lv.9 CPU with ease and takes that for granted.

 

[UltimateXsniper]

Let's be honest, almost everyone on smash boards has no problem with level 9 cpus. :/

I feel like I should say it again, it's not about that. This is more about pummeling cpus when they are grabbed and whether you even try to do it or not on them.

To get things back on track, I have been trying to do this more often. I try to get at least 1 in before I throw. They still get out in inhuman speed but 1 pummel is better than nothing at least.

 

[DanielMota]

Lv.9 CPU's suck mate so the fact that you consider them good enough to brag about beating them shows that you have little skill. Any smasher worth his salt can own a Lv.9 CPU with ease and takes that for granted.

That's okay, I have fun playing Smash Bros. and that's all that matters in the end!

 

[Octagon]

I can only pummel them when they are at high percents (100 or higher) otherwise they get out of it so fast, faster than some for glory players haha

 

[2Fat]

lvl 9 cpu's dodge my grab 90% of the time so it's hard to practice combos againt them so I usually just go lvl 8's. That being said it's hard to get good by just playing cpu's cause a person tries to learn your play style and attack based on it

 

[Khao]

Throw 'em immediately. Nuff said.

No, don't do that, seriously.

The problem with that it that it becomes a terrible habit that is incredibly hard to shake off.

These days, I throw even human opponents in high percentages immediately without thinking about it, and then smack myself in the forehead for once again for forgetting to pummel. I have to actively think about pummeling if I don't want my thumb to automatically move the stick in a direction right after grabbing.

 

[Captain Chrom]

I almost never pummel when I get a grab. Mostly out of habit since when I've tried, I get one pummel and the opponent excapes the grab right afterwards.

I know what you mean, it's quite annoying. Great siggy by the way.

 

[Nebulax]

No, don't do that, seriously.

The problem with that it that it becomes a terrible habit that is incredibly hard to shake off.

These days, I throw even human opponents in high percentages immediately without thinking about it, and then smack myself in the forehead for once again for forgetting to pummel. I have to actively think about pummeling if I don't want my thumb to automatically move the stick in a direction right after grabbing.

If it will be a habit, then sure. If you have no issues, well, throwing them straight away is fine.

But I respect your opinion.

 

[Mtn64]

Lvl 9 cpu's do things that humans are literally incapable of doing whereas lvl 7 and 8 cpu's can't. Lvl 9 cpu's read your inputs and react with frame perfect power shielding, spot dodges, air dodges, and can perfectly tech all surfaces about 80% of the time allowing them to live to outrageous percents on certain stages which humans just can't do. While Lvl 7's and 8's aren't as "skilled" as lvl 9's, they aren't quite as ridiculous in terms of inhuman playstyles.

Nuh uh.
I have juggled bots 0-60%.
Their air dodges aren't made to predict or read your input, they do it like every other bot and its really easy to punish.
If they are punishing you it means you aren't spacing correctly, not that they are "inhuman"
Don't see why we are trying to justify playing the easier difficulty level if knowing how to correctly space is a prime fundamental of this game, and level 9 bots will only respond to misplaced moves

 

[WaterDemonBaku]

Well, I've had Sm4sh for only a day now, and I can say they're somewhat improved from the last few games IMO. But they're still nowhere near real smashers just yet. Just so you know in the time I've had Sm4sh (a day,) I've had 30 matches with CPU's, 27 of which I've won (including unlockable fighters,) yet I have at least 14 Online matches, all of which I've lost. (Well the last one the dude stopped moving. I beat him but I don't really count it as a win.)

If the CPU's just get too dumb for me, I'll probably get an amiibo or two to fight. (I don't always have internet sadly.)

 

[Fluorescent]

I play with LVL 9 cpu's and yes they're very hard to pummel and throw without them letting go (unless you have super speed mashing skills).

I always pummel before I throw my opponent as I get that 'extra' bit of damage in and every damage helps kill my opponent faster but doing this on like a LVL 9 cpu is somewhat not possible as on low percentages, you would only be able to pummel once and then throw (maybe 2 if you're quick enough) anything more and they just let go. I noticed if they're at 100%+ I've been able to pummel them 3 times before throwing them (though I was playing relatively fast pummel characters i.e Toon Link) but that's my experience so far when grabbing them.

 

[Jaguar360]

I've been wondering this too. I usually don't pummel more than twice and sometimes I don't pummel at all. It generally depends on how good my character's throws are. If I'm playing Yoshi, for instance I'll go for the pummel(s) since I don't get much reward off of his throws anyway. If I'm playing Dr. Mario or Pikachu on the other hand, I'll usually skip the pummeling and go for the throw.

 

[phantom man]

I never pummel any CPU's, but on a person it depends on they're percent.

 

[Reila]

There is no point in trying, unless you are purposely attempting to wear off the buttons of your 3DS as quickly as possible.