Do Traditional Fighters Help Smash?

[Benny P]

Hi, i'm still pretty new at (competitive) smash and i came from a traditional fighting game background- Is it possible that playing traditional fighters could help your smash game? I dropped street fighter when the ultra version came out, and played marvel just for fun.

Thanks guys, any comments or criticism are welcome here.

 

[Russ The Love Muss]

Maybe. If you're coming to Smash from a fighting game background you should be able to tell yourself. They aren't going to help you more than just keeping on playing Smash though, that's for sure

 

[J-Birds]

Sure.
Some concepts and mindset carry over.
Different game tho ayeeeeeee

 

[Benny P]

Maybe. If you're coming to Smash from a fighting game background you should be able to tell yourself. They aren't going to help you more than just keeping on playing Smash though, that's for sure

Ah, i was thinking, maybe if i went back to traditional fightans i'd have some crazy super awesome skills for playing both games!

Kind of like when a trumpet player takes up swimming- They both help hold their breath for sustained periods of time, you know? Problem is, i'm not sure what kind of correlation traditional fightans have with smash and vice versa..

 

[Benny P]

Sure.
Concepts and mindset carry over.
Different game tho ayeeeeeee

Totally different game. It's so hard to explain. I was never crazy hot **** at SF, but i was half decent and for most part could hold my own.

However, even though smash is really hard at this stage, it hasn't dropped any fun factor at all!

 

[woodsta]

Just off the top of my head

Similarities: concept of bait and punish, zoning and poking with safe normals, knockdown mixups are kind of comparable to techchasing

Differences: win condition is not as simple in smash, gimps and SDs are a thing, movement is way more of a focal point in smash as it is significantly more complex with ledges and platforms and just general speed and number of options, character physics vary a lot more, combos are multiplayer with DI SDI etc. instead of "hope they **** up"

I'd say the most transferable skill is probably being able to read people

 

[DD_]

I played SF4 and marvel for a few years before making the switch to smash. Literally the only things that really transferred were yomi and spacing. And even then I was overwhelmed with the new amount of mind games required. Playing smash then picking up traditional fighters is easier than the other way around but that's just my opinion. I stopped playing Traditional fighters as it just messed my my smash skills too much and i'd find my MM getting confused regularly.

 

[Benny P]

I played SF4 and marvel for a few years before making the switch to smash. Literally the only things that really transferred were yomi and spacing. And even then I was overwhelmed with the new amount of mind games required. Playing smash then picking up traditional fighters is easier than the other way around but that's just my opinion. I stopped playing Traditional fighters as it just messed my my smash skills too much and i'd find my MM getting confused regularly.

what's mm??

Yeah i agree. I practiced with an agressive fox last year around august, and he had to learn how to get around my F-tilts with Roy (PM)

Yomi...probably transfers over too, yeah. I will say though, it's awkward at first trying to read someone in smash as opposed to SF4 series.

 

[DD_]

what's mm??

Muscle Memory. At monthlies and Majors switching between stick and cube controller for tournament matches on the fly makes life super hard. That and considering smash and traditional fighters run on their own timeframes at monthlies and majors makes players entering cross events lives hard at times.

 

[TakFR]

Directional Influence would be the main thing that you would need to learn from scratch involving smash since it's purely a mechanic for smash games. Are SF4 and some MVC3 the only fighters you played? Who did you play in SF4? If you want I can recommend a similar character to try out in Melee or PM

Going from SF4 to Melee and has some problems since SF4 in general rewards defensive plays more then offensive much like Brawl does, whereas in Melee/PM it depends on your character choice. There are no buffers, option selects or input techniques used to make inputs easier in Melee (there is a buffer in PM) either which will take a bit of getting used to.

Mindset wise not much needs to be changed, you can still read habits that people have obviously as Phrase said knockdown pressure is basically replaced by tech chasing. Unfortunately I believe that transferring from traditional fighters to smash is harder then vice versa since it's easier to adjust to having less movement options then more imo so it might take a while but don't give up, Melee is a great game that is well worth learning

 

[Benny P]

Dont worry too much about Mahvel, it was very casual play, not any of that ridiculous **** on actual tourneys!

SF4 series took me a while to find my main, but i ended up maining Dan and not doing too badly! I participated in "The New Challengers" tourney at BAM last year under the name Stacey (as a joke!) and Playing a very safe Yun (because all i knew from him was like, that palm Target Combo , and he had pretty good pokes) And Dan when my Yun failed pretty much outright. I managed to Tie for 8th place.

But yeah, I mained Dan.

At the moment, I'm generally Maining Roy and Snake for PM,

For melee it's still largely undecided but i had a small list of chars who look fun and interesting

in no particular Order

1.Captain Falcon (just cuz principle, everyone loves falcon)
2.Luigi
3. Mewtwo
4. Ice Climbers
5. Pikachu

But i am open to suggestions also!

 

[TakFR]

Yeah can't help you with Dan unless you want to play another joke character (Pichu)

I'd say for now stick to higher tier characters since the tier list works very differently from SF4, the general matchups for lower tiers are way more dire then in SF4.

 

[Benny P]

Yeah can't help you with Dan unless you want to play another joke character (Pichu)

I'd say for now stick to higher tier characters since the tier list works very differently from SF4, the general matchups for lower tiers are way more dire then in SF4.

To be honest...pichu HAS crossed my mind (i had a lvl 100 pichu in pokemon once, and it was still **** but i loved it)
I also dabbled with Yang and Sakura, but was never as good as my Dan play, if that information helps you