Do tiers really matter?

[Slurzen]

Say that you love Charizard, he's your favorite pokemon, he's cool, you liked him as a kid, you've liked him for all your life.
But yet you don't use him in smash. You love him but instead your pressured into maining Sheik for the soul reason for Sheik being in a higher tier than Charizard. If you want to use Sheik that's fine but if you want to main Charizard, go for it. Same for any other character, even if it is high tier. You shouldn't have to use a character just for being higher or lower tier use who ever the hell you want. Seriously you can make any fighter viable with enough practice.

i think its the way you play a certain character. if little mac is the lowest character on the list, one individual can possibly master him and beat someone like sheik or c.falcon.

 

[Deleted member]

I mostly use tier lists as a reference to know who are the best and worst characters are; it's good to know which characters will be dominant and which ones will be rarely seen.
Tiers don't determine who I main, however. I like to play characters that I enjoy, regardless of tier placement.

 

[CrazyPerson]

Do Tiers matter?

For competitive play yes. Players at that All World level who want to take each other out need to take every advantage they can. With 52 characters (and effectively a lot more if tournament allows customs) there is no way developers can make them different but truly equal... you can unlock a mid guys' full potential, be the best in the world at him, but fall because he doesn't have the high ceiling of others.

For having fun with friends... not as much. If you don't have the ambition of reaching that level, and your main play is going to be free for all with items on, on crazy levels... you might lose a few more games but that is ok. Enjoy the chaos smash brings with your favorite guy for whatever reason... if tier does come into play strategic double teaming can offset a lot of it under those circumstances.

 

[Orngeblu]

Here's some advice: Play whatever the f*** you want.

 

[Wintermelon43]

My main is considered middle or low tier a lot, and I don't stop playing him.

And if I ever play competitivly in tournaments (Doubt I will, but.................), I still have a top tier secondary who I enjoy, so I could still win.

 

[ChikoLad]

Yes in competitive play, no elsewhere.

When something is on the line, you are going to use every tool at your disposal to try and win. That includes getting good with a character that is considered viable.

However, when it comes to For Glory lagfests, item FFAs, and single-player? It really doesn't mater. Play as who you are most comfortable with, or stick with whatever characters you are attached to even outside of Smash.

I play as Rosalina most of the time, regardless of context, but it isn't because of the fact she's one of the best characters in the game. It's because I just really like her as a character and she was my most wanted newcomer for Smash. And I love how she can be played in all manner of playstyles, and still remain really great. You like to play defensively? Rosalina's great. You like to play offensively? Rosalina's great. Like to perform lots of mix-ups? Rosalina's great. Etc, etc.

 

[Neckbeards]

I murder people with Charizard.

 

[Kevandre]

Nah, tiers are BS. I get why they exist, but they really don't mean anything at all

 

[CrazyPerson]

Nah, tiers are BS. I get why they exist, but they really don't mean anything at all

It is not possible to make 53 characters that are different, but all caring equal potential.

 

[nubilepoopile]

I think it only really makes a difference at the highest level of play. I watched a video today of Kirby winning a melee tournament of almost 100, and he's the "worst" character in the game. That said, there's a reason m2k and Zero only main high tiers, it's the same reason Olympic swimmers shave their entire bodies. When there's big money/recognition on the line, every little bit helps. For most of us though, it's just a game that we play for fun, so play it the way that's the most fun to you.

 

[Putuk]

This video has helped me deal with people telling me that King Dedede is low tier.
Tell people who don't want you to play Charizard to kindly **** off.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Every good player knows tires don exit

 

[C3CC]

No, they don't. Charizard is one of my favorite fighters even though I'm aware of his copious weaknesses, but that doesn't stop me from using him. On the other hand, I also main Yoshi and Rosalina, who are high tiers, but it's only because I like them both as characters and fighters. They're pretty fun to use.

 

[MoosyDoosy]

I don't really care about tier lists, I just pick a character that has a lot of techs. Mainly because whenever you use a tech or pull one off successfully, there's a lot of hype and it's really fun. It just so often happens that characters with a lot of techs turn out to be top tier...

Since there aren't that many techs in Sm4sh, I honestly chose Diddy as my main simply because I love his movement and the way you can link his attacks together. Sure, my decision might have been influenced by tiers, but all the other characters felt wrong to me besides Falco. And I still do play Falco often, just not against good players.

 

[Kurri ★]

Every good player knows tires don exit

Go back to where you belong

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Go back to where you belong

Where?

 

[Kurri ★]

Where?

I dunno. I just see through your bull****. We're trying to have a serious discussion on whether or not tiers matter (they do), and you're here to spread misinformation when you know better.

Nah, but really tho, tiers matter. You ever try beating Sheik with Bowser in Melee? Even casually that's hard.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I dunno. I just see through your bull****. We're trying to have a serious discussion on whether or not tiers matter (they do), and you're here to spread misinformation when you know better.

Nah, but really tho, tiers matter. You ever try beating Sheik with Bowser in Melee? Even casually that's hard.

Tires don Exit comes from Smash World Forums though. (now known as smashboards) Pretty popular / dank meme if I do say so myself.
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Tires_don_exits

I dunno. To me it's the only response to any questions about tiers. Smiley face.

 

[Kurri ★]

Tires don Exit comes from Smash World Forums though. (now known as smashboards) Pretty popular / dank meme if I do say so myself.
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Tires_don_exits

I dunno. To me it's the only response to any questions about tiers. Smiley face.

That's a meme i haven't heard in a long... I apologize...

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

That's a meme i haven't heard in a long... I apologize...

Do you remember "Roy has t3h phire?" XD

Because, again that's the only answer to "Who's better Roy or Marth" (Unless roy comes back in ssb4 and is amazing.. marth kindda sucks in ssb4)

 

[Kurri ★]

Roy's our boy, of course I do.

 

[Jestar]

That's a meme i haven't heard in a long... I apologize...

I think you just got trolled real good.

Speaking of dank memes though...our boy has been in this game since the very beginning. Just minus the fire.



I still find this amusing even though everyone hates it now.

 

[MVboy39]

Regardless of whether you believe in tiers or not, nothing is more amazing than when a high-level player beats the "best character" with the "worst character." The winner basically rewrites the entire metagame, and anti-tiers have one more data point to support their side of the argument.

 

[Kurri ★]

Regardless of whether you believe in tiers or not, nothing is more amazing than when a high-level player beats the "best character" with the "worst character." The winner basically rewrites the entire metagame, and anti-tiers have one more data point to support their side of the argument.

That's only if:

• The players are of equal skill
• The player with the lower tiered character wins consistently

Do remember that even top tiers have bad match ups with lower tiered characters. IIIRC Meta-Knight in brawl has a tough time with Olimar, Olimar is still considered low tier.

 

[MVboy39]

That's only if:

• The players are of equal skill
• The player with the lower tiered character wins consistently

Do remember that even top tiers have bad match ups with lower tiered characters. IIIRC Meta-Knight in brawl has a tough time with Olimar, Olimar is still considered low tier.

I'm sorry, that's what I meant. I really need to reread what I say before posting.
And yeah, Olimar is a weapon of Smash destruction when in the right hands.

 

[Jestar]

Do remember that even top tiers have bad match ups with lower tiered characters.

vs. is a good example of top tiers with bad match ups against lower tiers.

 

[Crendog]

tier lists do matter, but they should not followed religiously. People should not only play high tier characters, but the community kind of forces them to, but low tier characters are easily played competitively. Its similar to how in college basketball the #1 ranked team can be beat by an unranked team if they play hard enough and practice, but most of the time the #1 team will win, just how most tournaments are won by high tier characters

 

[Deleted member 269706]

Tier lists in Smash4 matter much less than tier lists matter in Melee, and here's why:

1. Smash4's metagame is still evolving at a very fast rate. Melee's has been in development for over a decade.
   
2. Not a lot of variation among the high level players' characters, so we haven't seen a lot of hidden potential from other characters yet.
3. Patches have the potential to really hurt/really help characters out. Higher tier characters are most likely to be affected.
4. DLC characters have the potential to mess with current match-ups which would change tier placement.

And even Melee's tier list is far from perfect. After all, Yoshi was ranked like, 18th, and then aMSa comes by and ****s all over everyone at Apex. To answer your question, they give a general idea of characters potential, but tier lists are far from perfect.

 

[itsmeMOB]

I say yes and no. Yes, because it shows who's viable in a competitive scene, and it shows who matches up the best with each other.

At the same time, I've seen tons of people who main/use low tier characters and get high tournament placings so it basically says "Screw you" to tier lists.

The game is always evolving now through the use of patches and playing to find out who's good or not, so in the long run, I don't think they matter too much. It still will become obvious who is and isn't that good when you use them, though.

 

[Grim!]

tier do matter but not as much as you would think.i ve found out that being good at reading your opponent and playing solid with your character does more for you.Btw i play charazard online and i won 65% of my matches

 

[Rixilas]

For me, they really don't. Even though Sonic's pretty high up on the tier list for S4, I just really have fun playing with him, and have ever since Brawl released. My opinion is just to play a character you're good with and enjoy playing. There might be characters that you play that are good, but if you don't have fun playing that character then there's no point in brawling, in my opinion. Play your best and have fun!

 

[LunarWingCloud]

In Brawl, yes. In Melee, yes but much less so. In 64 and Smash 4, not really.

Brawl only because the worst characters are clearly extremely disadvantaged, but in other games the disadvantages the "worst" characters have are much smaller, to the point you can probably stand up to the "better" characters using a "worse" one.

 

[Grim!]

just between us but why is luigi low tier ?? i mean i play him he has a greath back air (that can kill at 80% on the egde)
he has good downthrow combos his combos do good damage so why isnt he top tier

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

just between us but why is luigi low tier ?? i mean i play him he has a greath back air (that can kill at 80% on the egde)
he has good downthrow combos his combos do good damage so why isnt he top tier

As a fox main all I can say is he's really really easy to knock off the stage / kill.

Maybe if spacies weren't so good he'd be better? I dunno. But yeah, shine works way too well on him.

 

[Grim!]

yeah you may be right i found out if you hold his jump do side b then jump down b and than up b you have a good chance that you will get back on stage .but your right there is more than enough time to gimp him

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

yeah you may be right i found out if you hold his jump do side b then jump down b and than up b you have a good chance that you will get back on stage .but your right there is more than enough time to gimp him

Ya. He would be higher tier if he had a recovery or could misfire at will by charging the forward B or something.

Honnestly the RNG on misfire is the nail in his coffin, he would be god tier if misfire could be controlled.

 

[hidensheik11]

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[Dylan_Tnga]

ignore everyone who says that there are tiers in smash 4. this game doesn't allow much room for skill so winning isn't dependent on character. (unlike melee where tiers exist) Smash 4 has been too dumbed down to the point that every character is viable, where as in melee, fox has a clear advantage over all the characters.

That's a very unfair thing to say. I can see why Smash 4 players get discouraged by melee fans. And I stress "fan" because I highly doubt you have great skill in melee.

Anyway, all I can hope is that people ignore you and your illogical elitist opinions. You're a melee newf4g who is supporting the game out of a desire for superiority or arrogance, like a bully.

I would honnestly love to money match you, pichu vs fox, and utterly destroy you with a bottom tier character... the beauty of melee AND smash 4 is that skill > tiers. Tires do exit, but only at the highest level.

Take your negativity elsewhere plz.

 

[hidensheik11]

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[Dylan_Tnga]

Ok, I'll be at evo and sktar in near future. Both are nationals so no excuses

Well if you're not too busy verbally abusing smash 4 players, sure.