Do ghosts really exist?

krillin1986 · Jun 10, 2002

I believe that ghosts exist... as do many others... my mom said she has seen her father's ghost.. in our living room, outta the corner of her eye when she was washing dishes... Of course, she said that happened before I was born, like shortly after her father died of Cancer (never knew him personally--wasn't born yet). My friend said he's been in this haunted house before also... He said soem people moved out of this house, and my friend and some others were cleaning it up and stuff... They were allowed to take anything they wanted and that's why my friend went... Anyways, he said he was in there and he heard footsteps and other eerie noises... Then, you have television... There are many shows like Unsolved Mysteries that have ghost stories and stuff... You also have shows on like Discovery Channel about old Navy ships being haunted... Anyways... I never experienced anything outta this world, but have any of you? Do you people believe ghosts exist... Oh, btw, check out my other topic I'm gonna make... Do Aliens Exist...

SnorSnor · Jun 10, 2002

No, I don't beliebe ghosts exist, but I do believe there are spirits (Demons) that trick us into thinking there are things like that. I do see black images in the corner of my eye but I believe it's my head playing with me.
I don't think people come back to visit us and things like that. It's kinda creepy when "ghostly" things happen though.

I heard a lot of stories about "ghosts" or spirits, and when I go to sleep and may think of them, I scare myself <img border="0" alt="[Dizzy]" title="" src="graemlins/dizzy.gif" />

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Battlecruiser Operational · Jun 10, 2002

Ghosts do not exist in the physical world, but are rather a (for lack of a better phrase) figment of the imagination. While there is not actually a ghost in the room with you, your mind puts it there. At least I think so. I don't really have an evidence (nor will anyone) to back up their argument, but that seems like the most logical explanation to me.

I don't believe in heaven, **** , purgatory, afterlife, reincarnation, fate, let alone ghosts. :cool:

krillin1986 · Jun 10, 2002

Yea... you also have that show "World's Scariest Places on Earth" that supposedly have families stay the night in haunted castles and stuff... I mean, it would be very easy to trick those people by having doors slam shut with a push of a button, or footsteps made by the show... you get what I'm saying? Anyways, how do you explain technology that supposedly senses aparisions (How do you spell it lol Ap-er-rish-uns)... like they sense heat and coldness or whatever... I don't know what to believe... it's so easy to make peopel believe in ghosts by using television... Arghhh... soemtimes television sucks.. it puts too many thoughts (good and bad) in your mind....

SuperSpy · Jun 10, 2002

I definately believe in ghosts. there used to be a poltergeist in my parents old appartment. It used to play small tricks on them.

krillin1986 · Jun 10, 2002

Heh.. that would suck to live in a haunted house...

xray95 · Jun 10, 2002

I don't believe in ghosts.

I think they're someone's subconscience playing tricks on them. Also, other 'ghostly' experiences could be contributed to sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis usually happens when a person is lying on his/her back about to fall asleep. Suddenly, they find that they can't move their bodies. Then, feelings of a dark presence (someone evil standing over you, but you can't see it) start to enter the person's mind. This happened to my friend, and the thought of it seems creepy to me. However, this is probably a result of spinal fluids and brain synapses... or something. I used to have a very informative site on it, but I don't feel like finding it right now. Like sleep paralysis, there are also many other explanations for so-called 'ghosts'

Novowels · Jun 11, 2002

I don't believe in ghosts for the one of the same reasons I don't believe in demons/gods/angels/souls. These things supposedly are invisible and intangible, and have no physical bodies. To me, this means they cannot think. Because that means they can't have a brain. Nothing mental happens without a physical change in the brain. Electric currents between your synapses cause your thought processes, not the other way around.

Because ghosts cannot have a physical brain, they cannot think, therefore they cannot act. The human ability to deceive him/herself is staggering, and I think that explains everything from "talking to God" to "poltergeists" to that idiotic "Crossing over" crap.

Talking to ghosts my (#%@!.

B0r3d*m Alien · Jun 11, 2002

Ah, synapse. I remember. Anyways. I'm not sure. It could just be you being paranoid. What could you have been doing? Bad bad kid.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[ June 11, 2002, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: B0r3d*m Alien ]

Soccer-Fan · Jun 13, 2002

I belive in ghosts! I'm very interested in the paranormal. So many people say they have seen ghosts. So many people can't be wrong. There are ghosts in the White House.

DukieMan1223 · Jun 13, 2002

"Ghosts" as in flying things with sheets on their heads are not real. But ghosts like polterguiests and all those dark images are real.

What they really are, are tricks sent by the devil to turn us from the faith. And people like psychics and mind readers are actually cursed by the devil.

Now I am a Christian and If I ever saw a "ghost" I would definitely pee my pants.

fractic · Jun 13, 2002

I surtainly do not believe in gosths. Because they can't excist. This is a sientific proof why gosths can't excist

There have been reports of gosth showing and disappearing again. And if the gosth would be made of somekind of material it would have mass thus energy, according to E=m*sqr(c). A gosth appearing would be the same as energy appearing from nowhere wich can't be because of the Law of sutainment of energy ( not sure about the name, the law says there can't just come energy out of nothing neither can energy dissappear). So the appearing of gosths can't be. Dissapearing gosths would cause explosions with enough energy to distroy the solar sysem or even a part of the milky way. So gosths cannot have any mass, thus aren't physical phenomenons but only appear in our minds

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NukeA6 · Jun 13, 2002

The ghosts I know are real are Demons and Angels. It's so extremely rare to see any of them that all stories are just called hoaxes because of no proof. Of course, any ghost would be smart enough to leave no clues so that there won't be any mass chaos. Demons are supposed to hurt people but I've only heard of that by playing the Oujia board. There's probably human ghosts but I'm not too sure. Aliens could exist; we haven't explored any other galaxies besides this one.

If none of ya believe in ghosts, I dare you to play with the Oujia board for 2 days until you see something wierd (not just mind tricks). I guarantee you'll see something. If you're too scared to play, you believe in ghosts. If I'm wrong about this........... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> yikes!!!

WARNING!!: I'm not responsible for anything that happens with you or the Oujia board.

krillin1986 · Jun 13, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DukieMan1223:

Now I am a Christian and If I ever saw a "ghost" I would definitely pee my pants.<hr /></blockquote>LOL... <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> I'd crap my pants, screw peeing... I'd be like *bloop* "what's that smell..." lol... but seriously, I believe in ghosts... like as in demons and guardian angels... I have a guardian angel and it helped me out a few times...(almost got hit by front of a car, but instead, ran into side lol... while it was moving obviously), and demons, they're the ones who can hurt you, physically... I saw this one movie, based on a true story, where the father was beaten up by a demon.. jebus.. just thinking of that movie is scary *shudders*... anyways.. that's my lame argument lol...

EDIT: Oh, and what about possession..(spell it right?)..that'd be some freaky crap if someone you knew, or even you, got possessed...

LOL, Nuke, that last line is a killer... <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

[ June 13, 2002, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: krillin1986 ]

Crono · Jun 13, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Soccer-Fan:
I belive in ghosts! I'm very interested in the paranormal. So many people say they have seen ghosts. So many people can't be wrong. There are ghosts in the White House.<hr /></blockquote>So many people certainly can be wrong. 95% of the world is wrong in the way they think. The majority is always corrupt and is almost never right.

A Ouija board does not work. It never will work. It only moves because someone moves it. That is so obvious. It is extremely foolish to actually believe that demons possess the Ouija board and spell out messages.

There are no guardian angels, either. You avoided getting killed by that car by COINCIDENCE. Why do people always believe that when someone's life is "spared" that it is a miracle?

Demons don't possess psychics; that is greed's job.

t^grun · Jun 13, 2002

I pretty much agree with Crono in most of his post. I do not believe in ghosts, especially as a scientist. Most people that say they have seen ghosts are likely to be dilusional, looking for publicity, or just trying to scare someone.

DukieMan1223 · Jun 13, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Crono:

Demons don't possess psychics; that is greed's job.<hr /></blockquote>What I mean is that people who are actually psychics are the tools of the devil. Not those cheesy fakes, they are the ones worried about money.

[jamaican accent]Welcome children, I am Miss Cleo. Please don't sue me. I only con you out of a little money[/jamaican accent]

krillin1986 · Jun 13, 2002

Lol.. dukieman... you're one funny guy... you should make a post in the pool room that has you being a comedian.. lol.. you'd get a lot of posts there lol... man you're funny (not being sarcastic either)... (sorry for getting off subject)

Massy · Jun 13, 2002

The "ghosts exists" argument is completely circular. If, as you say, you believe in these "apparitions/poltergeists/demons/lost souls/spirits/ghosts" you have effectively convinced yourself of their existence. Thus upon hearing a loud noise, feeling cold suddenly, having something fall off a shelf, your mind turns to one of these infinitely more exciting possibilities, rather than the far more likely small animal or gust of wind. The human mind is a machine. By stimulating certain parts of it in certain ways, you can make the person see, do, or hear things that they would not otherwise. If you dose one of these people with LSD without telling them, it seems a reasonable assumption that they might blame spirits or demons (People in the Middle Ages did) wheras someone who did not believe in ghosts would come to a more reasonable conclusion.

"It's all in your head" Is a godawful clichÃ©, but applies in this case. You underestimate the potential of the human brain to see and hear things that aren't there, and to interpret what it does take in in selective way.

B0r3d*m Alien · Jun 13, 2002

Yes, paranoia. I have yet to be completely convinced. And screw the religious debate. It's getting old. But, I doubt it's gonna stop.

wing zrow · Jun 13, 2002

Well,i think ghosts could exist.I'm neither apose or with the idea of them existing but i have a few theries.When you die,your brains electrical impulses may not diapate and may float aroung manafesting in the form o f a ghost body,hence the clear ghosts.So they juststay or haunt wherever that person dies.

You could also take into factoring different dimensuins that your brain goes when you die.

My favorite therie is that ghosts are so fast that you can only see them out of the corner of your eyes couse theyre so fast and can hide/go through walls...

[ June 19, 2002, 11:22 PM: Message edited by: wing zrow ]

Yoshi-lord · Jun 13, 2002

I think ghosts exist and only visit people who have killed someone, or they will visit someone to tell them an important truth. If you belive in ghosts, they will belive in you, they may visit you and tell you all about ghost related things. I could have an inteligent conversation with a ghost if I could, but Casper is just too annoying and Ghosts don't belive a Yoshi could be a lord! Ghosts are weird, thats what they tell there kids about us humans.

Crono · Jun 14, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by B0r3d*m Alien:
Yes, paranoia. I have yet to be completely convinced. And screw the religious debate. It's getting old. But, I doubt it's gonna stop.<hr /></blockquote>It can't stop, not in a debate like this. This debate is between atheists and religionists who do not believe in ghosts and the religionists who do, because an atheist cannot believe in ghosts (he wouldn't be an atheist otherwise). So religion will always play a role in the debate of the paranormal like this.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Yoshi-lord:
I think ghosts exist and only visit people who have killed someone, or they will visit someone to tell them an important truth. If you belive in ghosts, they will belive in you, they may visit you and tell you all about ghost related things. I could have an intelligent conversation with a ghost if I could, but Casper is just too annoying and Ghosts don't belive a Yoshi could be a lord! Ghosts are weird, thats what they tell their kids about us humans.<hr /></blockquote>Ok, ghosts either exist or they don't, just like everything else. They can't just exist for people who want them to exist and be nonexistent for those who want them to not exist. They either exist or they don't, and that's the bottom line.

Ghosts tell their children that humans are weird? What? I don't know what you were saying there, but if you were saying what I think you were, then.. well, that's just weird. Ghosts having sex... what a funny thought. <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" />

krillin1986 · Jun 14, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Crono:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by B0r3d*m Alien:
Yes, paranoia. I have yet to be completely convinced. And screw the religious debate. It's getting old. But, I doubt it's gonna stop.<hr /></blockquote>It can't stop, not in a debate like this. This debate is between atheists and religionists who do not believe in ghosts and the religionists who do, because an atheist cannot believe in ghosts (he wouldn't be an atheist otherwise). So religion will always play a role in the debate of the paranormal like this.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Yoshi-lord:
I think ghosts exist and only visit people who have killed someone, or they will visit someone to tell them an important truth. If you belive in ghosts, they will belive in you, they may visit you and tell you all about ghost related things. I could have an intelligent conversation with a ghost if I could, but Casper is just too annoying and Ghosts don't belive a Yoshi could be a lord! Ghosts are weird, thats what they tell their kids about us humans.<hr /></blockquote>Ok, ghosts either exist or they don't, just like everything else. They can't just exist for people who want them to exist and be nonexistent for those who want them to not exist. They either exist or they don't, and that's the bottom line.

Ghosts tell their children that humans are weird? What? I don't know what you were saying there, but if you were saying what I think you were, then.. well, that's just weird. Ghosts having sex... what a funny thought. <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Lol.. ghosts having little ghost babies, with there little ghost sperm and there little ghost ovaries etc. lol... anyways.. sorry for getting off topic -_- sleep is good... z_z

Resting_Fox · Jun 14, 2002

I know for a fact that ghosts exist. I've had many encounters and all of them could be explained no other way. Scooby didn't show and foil the ghosts i met. I've seen ghosts. I've heard ghosts. I've sensed ghosts. Maybe they don't live around your neck of the woods, but i've seen em.

Yoshi-lord · Jun 14, 2002

Ghosts do exist, there have been too many films and cartoons where ghosts have shown up at some point. To be clear, what I meant about ghosts being weird, I ment that ghosts tell there children that humans are weird, not ghosts. Ghosts may scare people alot, but mabey thats because the're trying to tell us something that only someone who isn't scared of ghosts could do. Mabey there all in trouble, mabey they need our help, mabey they... Wow this sounds really stupid doesn't it? Eh, I guess a ghost will be what it is.

fractic · Jun 14, 2002

I found the reason why people want to believe that gosths exists. Since we have developed inteligence we have the ability to see a link behind everything. Example, look at a cloud and try to see something in the cloud. Not very hard but why do we see objects in clouds? Because we want to. Our mind works in such a way that no matter what we do or see, our mind always starts looking for something familar or a link. Humans also want to know everything because of their minds. Since ages people have been trying to find out how the galaxy works. We have come close now but there still are things we can't explain. And that is what causes things like gosths. People think they see something, they might extually see something, and they can't explain what it is so their mind starts searching for something familiar for a link. And the most easy answer for the mind is: what u saw was a gost but. In fact it wasn't a gosth, just a trick of your mind.

Soccer-Fan · Jun 14, 2002

For guardian angels, watch "It's A Miracle".

Kid Icarus · Jun 14, 2002

This debate has me torn.

I tend to believe there are no such thing, but I have heard so much and seen so much that it seems possible. If there are ghosts, I believe that they are left-over stored energy from the lives of ones who died before they should have (died young, stuff like that, committed suicide, you get it). These are basically memories of the ones they represent.

I still tend to say no, they are just our imaginations playing tricks on us. I think that evil unknown to us is placing these images in our mind to make us turn away from the good.........

Extreme Fighter · Jun 14, 2002

Ghosts simply don't exist.

Ghosts can be explained in many ways. For one, natural causes can explain many ghosts. They can be as simple as the wind shutting the door behind you, seismic activity shaking the earth, soggy foundations, etc. Take for example this house in the Netherlands. Loud and incesant rapping noises were heard all over the house. Could the house be "haunted"? No way. Upon further investigation, the owners learned that it was a coiled up spring in an alarm clock, jerking and causing the faintest rapping noise. However, the rap vibrated the bedside table, which vibrated the floorboards, which made a noise that vibrated through the whole house. Another common explanation is that people fake ghosts. You just need some special equipment hidden somewhere and then bang! instant fake ghost. One of the biggest hoaxes in history was devised by Kate and Margaret Fox. They found they could make loud popping noises by dislocating thier big toes. They pretended the noises came from ghosts. They fooled thousands of people for over 40 years! This just proves how gullible our population really is. The next reason is simple. Our minds fill in the things we can't understand. Like in medievel times, people thought ghosts caused natural disasters like earthquakes or tornados. It is the same today; if you don't know why you heard something, your brain may fill the spot with a "ghost". I've heard someone say that they're all over T.V. and movies. Well yeah, with all the hype in the media, no wonder so many people think ghosts exist. The next reason is all the indecision in the so called "ghost sighters" ranks. Some say ghosts are silent, some say they moan, some say they talk. With all this indecision, could any of these people have really seen a ghost? Ghosts simply cannot exist. They don't have brains, organs, blood, therefor they cannot be. Here's the final point:
NO ONE HAS EVER PROVED THAT GHOSTS EXIST--NO ONE.

Arkane · Jun 14, 2002

If only SOME ghosts exist, why must they be A) religious symbols or B) some screwed up tale? (ex: my brother's fathers' sister's mother's aunt's uncle's godfather's twice-removed cousins' roomate was a Psycho killer! He's back to kill MEEEEE!)

Why are there ONLY some ghosts? Why isn't it that when something dies, it's a ghost?

Even if Ghosts did exist, these things simply don't MAKE SENSE.

You are all just paranoid.

NukeA6 · Jun 14, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by krillin1986:

LOL, Nuke, that last line is a killer... <img border="0" alt="[Laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laugh.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>I gotta warn somebody. I once heard that a family got beaten and burnt by 2 demons for playing the Ouijia Board.

krillin1986 · Jun 14, 2002

Yes I know, I've heard stories also... Like this one family was messing with the board, and soemthign happened, so they tore it up and buried it in there backyard... Then, I don't know where the family was, but the house caught on fire and the ouiji board was back together in 1 piece.. .freaky....

And Yoshi-Lord, lol, ghosts cannot have babies!!! Well, probably can't have babies... I don't know, that's just weird... <img border="0" alt="[Dizzy]" title="" src="graemlins/dizzy.gif" />

Jazzer · Jun 14, 2002

Ghosts don't exsist! You might think you see one, but it is only your brain playing tricks on you! If you think about them, your brain will make your eyes see shadows, and your ears hear noises. If you keep on saying to yourself something like "I don't belive in ghosts! I don't belive in ghosts! I don't belive in ghosts! ..." Then your mind will make up visions and sounds, that you can only see. And that is where your ghost come from! Just think less of ghosts, and you will be fine! So, ghosts are just your imagination, your mind playing trciks on you, the cure is to stop thinking about ghosts!

para trooper · Jun 14, 2002

of course they exists. Doesnt anyone here watch unsolved mysteries. i saw one episode where they had actually footage of things being thrown everywhere. Then the lights started flickering so they put tape over the lightswitch, and then, and then, and then, well then i saw the tape being peeled off and the lights being flickered. I saw it w/ my own two eyes <img border="0" alt="[Freak]" title="" src="graemlins/freak.gif" /> on tv of course but im a believer. Ghosts are everywhere, the xfiles proved it...

FYI, Gideon is a ghost. Now do you believer me?

Jazzer · Jun 14, 2002

Umm... Have you ever heard of TV ratings? People own the XFiles. And it is good to get good ratings! And, they say it is true, and sometimes it might be (people say it is... but it probaly isnt), and sometimes it isnt. They do that to get good ratings, and to make more people watch it! It's called Special Effects! Besides, XFiles is just actors, doing a show, its not real!

fractic · Jun 15, 2002

As a proof for the existance of gosths all u do is post stories of people who claim to have seen gosths. IMO the worst arugment possible. What makes u think those people speak the truth? What makes u so sure they did see a gosth instead of something completly logical.
When a new story comes out people start looking for an explaination. In most of the cases they find one these stories are forgotten but the stories with no explaination (Read: No found explaination) are remeberd.

firaga01 · Jun 15, 2002

Ghosts are not real, period. Both Science and Religion dismiss them as mere fragments of imagination:

Science- Under the law of relativity, energy cannot appear or disappear without a source. Thus atomic energy was developed. Due to this same concept, if there really were ghosts, this world would have some pretty big craters to worry about....

Religion - Ghosts are indeed demons and angels. However, if you read the Book of Reveation, you read the Stan is released once a millenia from his shackles of **** and is sent again to the world, only to be imprisoned yet again. This means that if there truly were ghosts, they would be locked up as fast as they came. Also, do you REALLY think God would let demons or angels back into this realm to spoil how good heaven is or how bad h*ll is? He wants us to live out our lives with FREE WILL. What good is that if a celestial being comes along and corrupts that idea?

Also, the only way a possession can occur is if you allow the devil inside of you. If u r Christian, you were exorcised the day of your Baptism to avoid you getting possessed. Now, the only way for the devil tog et in is through you, and once he's in, you gotta do ANOTHER exorcism to try to get it out.

also, fractic, whats a GOSTH?

BenFoldsFive · Jun 15, 2002

No, I don't beleive in "ghosts," but I do believe in good and evil spirits (angels and demons), and I beleive that when people say they see ghosts they are demons.

para trooper · Jun 16, 2002

i want to believe

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