FlamingForce
Smash Journeyman
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So is there any way to actually DI out of harms way when a lucario gets in and starts his mashing or are his grounded combos all guaranteed?
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The forcepalm has a 6 frame start up, depending who you are playing as you can do an OOS option at that time or buffer a roll.The main problem I face is when they use early side-b's in their combos, it sweeps cc right off its *** and goes through your shield, is there any specific way to get away from a side-b grab to prevent followups?
if you buffer a roll away you're goldenThe main problem I face is when they use early side-b's in their combos, it sweeps cc right off its *** and goes through your shield, is there any specific way to get away from a side-b grab to prevent followups?
Damn your timingThe forcepalm has a 6 frame start up, depending who you are playing as you can do an OOS option at that time or buffer a roll.
Also if you are CC his attacks you can attack him in between too if you have a good dtilt
As of version 2.5, the startup for Force Palm was increased to 12 frames. This is particularly important to note because if it were six frames, there would be several moves, that when linked into FP on shield would be inescapable, which was the problem with 2.1 Lucario, hence the change.The forcepalm has a 6 frame start up, depending who you are playing as you can do an OOS option at that time or buffer a roll.
Also if you are CC his attacks you can attack him in between too if you have a good dtilt
CC'ing is pretty brutal for Lucario depending on the character. If you know he's CC'ing you generally don't want to DA, but DA -> Dtilt will stuff CC if you sweetspot the Dtilt (near his toe). This is surprisingly difficult to do and messing it up guarantees their CC option on you. I've done some weird stuff like DA -> ASC inside of them and fully charge + shoot the aura sphere against a Mario while he was mashing Dsmash, and it stuffed him completely. Dair is good. Usmash is also great but I find whenever I try to do it their option somehow comes out quicker, despite Usmash being a 4 frame startup.as a lucario. What do you do against CC? like if I dash atk and I know he's CC'ing. Whats the best follow up?
I was under the impression that up tilt had fastest startup after landing a dash atk. but im not sure.
I watched a few of the matches, and I think Mr. R is better than you. He can be very oppressive sometimes. Play against him more and try some of this stuff, you'll see the character isn't impossible to overcome..