Crazy Techs still in? Quick Question

[froz3ntear]

Just a quick question looking for a quick answer... can you still do those crazy crouch canceling techs, like super wavedashing across the stage from utilts or getting fsmashed at 200% and techrolling them forward not even leaving the ground?

edit: What I'm talking about though is the tech I do here at 0:09

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iz2sdYdLnqM

to avoid getting utilted/shine combo, i tech the utilt away, can we still do this? Hopefully someone can answer.

 

[S2]

Are you talking about some of the Jigglypuff stuff?

IF so we don't know. Most likely not. Many of the advanced techs were taken out and Brawl has been "dumbed down" a little in the technical department.

I have complete confidence in this board though. We'll find advanced techs and create new mindgames. It won't be Melee, but it'll be something.

 

[NeoKnuckles]

I'm sure if the teching "engine" is still the same as in melee, yes. BUT if this is true, you still have to be on the ground, and from what I've seen, **** near every FS lifts you up and off (or slams you smack into) the ground.

 

[veil222]

I hope the techs are face value in this one, they need a proper balance between technical and natural skill. Melee had way too many technical things to drive into the ground with practice if you wanted to play tournament. It got really old playing against the same 5-7 characters that happen to benefit from memorization of techs/tricks/and various other loopholes and grey areas in the engine.

Also, the pace of the game seems to pre-emptively thwart some of the flaws melee had, even if you could wavedash, it would be slowed to proportion and to bulky to use in all but exclusive situations. Same with L-Cancel, it's a uneccecary tech if the characters timings are actually balanced against tte gameplay.

 

[Magus420]

To answer the question:

If the c-stick still overrides the analog for ASDI then yes, it should still work.

<-- (the guy that made the tech vids you're most likely referring to)

Like this one for example : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFxdYCr5yAI

 

[froz3ntear]

Hey magus, I've never understood how you used the c-stick and all to tech but i've seen those impressive vids.

What I'm talking about though is the tech I do here at 0:09

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iz2sdYdLnqM

and I don't use the c-stick and do the tech often, like if i'm getting up from the platform and a shiek fairs me at 150 percent, i can tech forward and live.

Can we still do this stuff in brawl?

I hope the techs are face value in this one, they need a proper balance between technical and natural skill. Melee had way too many technical things to drive into the ground with practice if you wanted to play tournament. It got really old playing against the same 5-7 characters that happen to benefit from memorization of techs/tricks/and various other loopholes and grey areas in the engine.

Also, the pace of the game seems to pre-emptively thwart some of the flaws melee had, even if you could wavedash, it would be slowed to proportion and to bulky to use in all but exclusive situations. Same with L-Cancel, it's a uneccecary tech if the characters timings are actually balanced against tte gameplay.

Smash has the least amount of memorization of techs/tricks all the combos are unique compared to the other fighting games where you gotta memorize the same combinations in T5 and Guilty gear and see the same animations over and over. Also what do you mean drive into the ground with practice to play in tournement... that is so hypocritical (not practice for competitive play?). Taking out techniques in the game or variables is useless to people who don't practice... sure you may approach the limits of the game easier because there are less things to learn but that doesn't mean you will ever beat people who practice more than you... thats the same with everything else in LIFE... So now that we established that it doesn't affect you since you don't want to practice anyways and all the people who do practice will beat you...

that means taking out variables like L-canceling and horizontal movement options like wavedashing just makes the game less fun for people who push the game to the limit and can challenge each other in different skills (someone's better spacing vs someone whos better at L canceling), to have a fun exciting match fighting each other with different strengths and weaknesses. I really dislike the pointless view of people who want to make the game "easier"

Making the game easier affects people who practice less in NO WAY, people who want to win will still practice more and be better in every aspect of the game (whatever aspects that are left), and taking out variables only makes it worse for the people who truely love the game and want to challenge people to their full abilities.

Just my opinion on yours and others point of view that the game should be slowed down or have less technical skill involved.

 

[Magus420]

You don't need to use the c-stick. You can just use the analog by holding it in a downward direction. Using the c-stick in addition to the analog though allows you to do it at higher damages by DIing to get sent at the lowest angle with the analog while also being able to ASDI down at the same time using the c-stick.

You were holding down & away or something close to it for that u-tilt. For Sheik's f-air it's not surprising to be able to do it without the c-stick at that high of damage because the move sends at such a low to the ground angle anyway.

And like I said, as long as the input works the same for ASDI you should also be able to do it in brawl the same way.

 

[froz3ntear]

Ok. thanks magus!... now if only someone who had the game could test it.

 

[veil222]

Not gonna respond because you have a pre-determined idea of what I meant when I said those things.

 

[Equinox076]

NO! NO! NO!

"Teching" is the only thing that made it in, and all of the glitches and exploits were "dropped", for obvious reasons.

 

[Ced The Lad]

You don't need to use the c-stick. You can just use the analog by holding it in a downward direction. Using the c-stick in addition to the analog though allows you to do it at higher damages by DIing to get sent at the lowest angle with the analog while also being able to ASDI down at the same time using the c-stick.

You were holding down & away or something close to it for that u-tilt. For Sheik's f-air it's not surprising to be able to do it without the c-stick at that high of damage because the move sends at such a low to the ground angle anyway.

And like I said, as long as the input works the same for ASDI you should also be able to do it in brawl the same way.

Sorry Magus, can you clarify? Are you basically talking about DIing using 2 motions? (analog and c-stick) As in you DI at the lowest angle preventing you from being sent but using the c-stick towards falcon you remained on that stage? And then you also speak of overriding DI? I'm a bit confused.

 

[froz3ntear]

Not gonna respond because you have a pre-determined idea of what I meant when I said those things.

Sorry, I took some of those sentences way too literal after seeing what some people write on the boards. I apologize.

 

[Magus420]

NO! NO! NO!

"Teching" is the only thing that made it in, and all of the glitches and exploits were "dropped", for obvious reasons.

YES! YES! YES!

This IS teching you ****ing nub, and no it's not a glitch.

Sorry Magus, can you clarify? Are you basically talking about DIing using 2 motions? (analog and c-stick) As in you DI at the lowest angle preventing you from being sent but using the c-stick towards falcon you remained on that stage? And then you also speak of overriding DI? I'm a bit confused.

You hold the analog in the direction that would send you at the lowest angle while also holding the c-stick directly toward the ground (straight down unless you're on a slope), and then time the tech like you would normally. Both the analog and c-stick can be used for automatic smash DI (ASDI), but when both are used the c-stick takes priority and that is what's used. With this, you can get the lowest angle (keeps you as low as possible) while also being able to ASDI straight down (moves you furthest into the ground so you hit it and can tech off of it).

 

[Ced The Lad]

Ahh thanks Magus . . . d@amn it took me this freaking long to know that you can automatically smash DI with the control stick. Haha. That sure would have helped all these years ehh?

Not too many people here, but in other boards many have rejoiced that the Wavedash and other advanced techs are gone. There were so many "Yay no more glitches whee!!!!" posts. Well to you whiners of these so called glitches, I say this:

No worries, we'll find something else for you to complain about.

 

[Equinox076]

YES! YES! YES!

This IS teching you ****ing nub, and no it's not a glitch.

Umm, I know teching isnt a glitch (who doesnt), I was saying that the other advanced techniques wont be in brawl, because they are glitches.

 

[Blackshadow]

You must spend too much time in 4chan's /v/. Thats the only way you could perceive that everything besides teching is a glitch, because I can tell you now that L-cancelling or DIing aren't glitches, and they're advanced techniques (well, DIing WELL is anyways).

 

[Magus420]

Umm, I know teching isnt a glitch (who doesnt), I was saying that the other advanced techniques wont be in brawl, because they are glitches.

...which has nothing at all to do with the topic because this thread is about teching, and they weren't asking about "glitches" >.>

 

[Equinox076]

You must spend too much time in 4chan's /v/. Thats the only way you could perceive that everything besides teching is a glitch, because I can tell you now that L-cancelling or DIing aren't glitches, and they're advanced techniques (well, DIing WELL is anyways).

Actually, I never heard about 4chan until 2 days ago, and i've never been there. And now that you mention it, I may have sounded like I percieved everything to be a glitch, but I know that L-cancel and DI are part of the game (well, to be honest, not so sure about DI), but I cannot edit my posts, otherwise smashboards will EAT THEM!

 

[KosukeKGA]

Actually, I never heard about 4chan until 2 days ago, and i've never been there. And now that you mention it, I may have sounded like I percieved everything to be a glitch, but I know that L-cancel and DI are part of the game (well, to be honest, not so sure about DI), but I cannot edit my posts, otherwise smashboards will EAT THEM!

http://www.sirlin.net/archive/playing-to-win-part-1/

This applies to you.

 

[TheDuplexDuo]

So is wavedashin' gone? Crouch cancelin'?

 

[Equinox076]

http://www.sirlin.net/archive/playing-to-win-part-1/

This applies to you.

i see...

except, there's a difference between being cheap, and EXPLOIATION!!

 

[Tabris-]

So is wavedashin' gone? Crouch cancelin'?

Wavedashing is out, but that was an abuse of the physics system (not saying I didn't like it, but that is what it is at the end of the day). It did work rather well though and it was fun to do Everyone does it anyway, so it's pretty standard.

I can't see why crouch cancelling would be out though, that is definitely part of the game and designed to be in it.