Counterpick problems

[rhan]

I'm having a hard time understanding this. Not that I don't believe you, but just because Dreamland is "big" means its a good CP vs YL? Whaaaat?

To me, the Puff/YL MU is 55/45 in favor of YL. Giving YL space, gives him the availability to throw projectiles. Arrow, bomb, boomerang...he's fast too. Puff isn't fast in the air nor on the ground. So the Dreamland is "big" theory just doesn't fit. To me. Just explain it further and I might change my opinion. Cuz I watched all of GF and I think completely opposite.

Since Puff is fragile it's easier on smaller stages to hit her with all sorts of projectiles and connect with projectile combos. With bigger stages it giver her more space to dodge. Plus Fd's lack of platforms gives Puff a great advantage cuz YL's game is based around platforms. They give him the angles needed from above. With out them he's forced to jump {possibly even double jump} to even get those angles. And if he's hit out of his second jump its over cuz that's just bar to death.

Yeah, honestly, his YL would just **** on Hbox's pocket Sheik or whatever, and then Hbox would be even worse off.

You may not find their matches entertaining, but Hbox is slowly coming closer, and I don't think picikng up a secondary for the YL matchup is gonna help him.

YL v Sheik is a terrible match-up if you're not good with YL. Armada just knows YL v Jiggs. If PuffBox went Sheik it would have been CG's all day and free stocks. I excel in the match-up and I'm only able to bring a Sheik like Tope down to two stocks. It's hard as ****.

 

[Beat!]

"Armada just knows YL vs Jiggs"

Lolno

 

[rhan]

It's the truth. He doesn't know any other match-ups with YL.

 

[Acryte]

Then again hbox could just start CATCHING BOMBS -_-

Okay so if hbox literally practiced a shiek just like armada practiced a yl you are tellin me hbox would lose against armada's yl using a character like shiek... no offense but there is a limit to characters, just like armada said... peach is about as low as you can get and expect to win a major... you think he believes he could win that tourney goin all yl? No. Hbox is a calculated and careful player, he would make it very difficult for a character like yl to get a kill on shiek. Shiek could out camp him, and punish much harder each time an opportunity is presented. Hbox is the type of player who is capable of taking advantage of his easier matchup because that is what hbox does... he plays his matchups intelligently and squeezes as many advantages as he can out of them.

Shiek is a simple and consistent character to play and I don't think hbox would really have too hard a time figuring out how to play against yl tbh. Some people act like I'm saying armadas yl isn't good. what I'm saying is that hungrybox is a top player and in a matchup like that, he is more than capable of exploiting YL.

 

[Beat!]

@rhan
Do you have anything at all to back that claim up with?

(just curious, it's incorrect anyway)

 

[Prince_Abu]

It's the truth. He doesn't know any other match-ups with YL.

rhan ur such a scrub...

armada does know other matchups with YL

 

[Geenareeno]

Not sure if that has been said yet but...

Basically, what could happen is this. If Armada and Hbox and in GF for the next international, 1st place would be decided by a 50:50 mindgame. As Acryte pointed out, double blind pick would be called and who ever wins the first match is pretty much guaranteed the set. That's not entirely true but that's what the last couple tournaments have proved (Hbox can't beat YL). This is due to the fact that the winner has to choose his character first.

 

[rhan]

@rhan
Do you have anything at all to back that claim up with?

(just curious, it's incorrect anyway)

Mainly from what I've seen. Can't say I can 100% claim the statement. But from the play style I've seen out of Armada and that he's not at all technical or speedy with YL it'll probably be harder for him to play other match-ups that would greatly be in the opponent's favor.

I would like to see more Armada YL matches that aren't against Puff though. But sadly I haven't found any or even heard of any that would exist.

rhan ur such a scrub...

armada does know other matchups with YL

Who are you?

 

[Beat!]

Well, he does know other matchups. He plays against Android a lot, so he's prolly pretty damn good at the Sheik matchup.

And didn't Abu say that there was some vid of him keeping up with PC's Fox?

And of course he won't look technical/speedy against Jiggs. His entire gameplan in that matchup revolves around camping and projectiles.

 

[rhan]

True. Even though you can stil be technical and still excel.

I wish he'd drop bombs more instead of throw them downward. It allows more set ups that way. Or even catch the bombs that bounce off shields.

 

[Prince_Abu]

rhan thinks hes good at smash its funny

 

[BigD!!!]

i dont even understand what the point of the first post is

its purely summarizing the tournament rules

everybody who has ever been to a tournament already knows everything in there

hbox cant play any other characters because he does everything with z

 

[Bones0]

How is using Z any different than A? I know someone that plays Marth and uses Z for aerials AND L-cancels...

 

[hungrybox]

Player Skill>>>Matchups

 

[Bones0]

Player Skill>>>Matchups

OMG, thank you SO MUCH for saying this. I feel like I am constantly preaching this, and it's probably impossible to try to stop character johns, but at least I can point to a credible source so maybe some people will stop blaming matchups for whatever results occur.