Could usea lil' help plz!

[Driz]

Im kinda new to the forums and truthfully somewhat new to the more advanced smash techniqeus and I've been having trouble with a few combos and such. I have searched a very large portion of the falco section and hopefully nothing asked was previously anwsered.

1. Falco's utilt- I can do it but watching most of the videos after doing a dair from a shine as falco lands he can easily go right into it yet i usually upsmash

2. L-Cancel- I understand the l-cancel and can preform it but wondering if falco's dair is the only useful dair or should I be putting more effort in to l-canceling all his aerials?

3. Teching- just curious for when returning to an edge more or less where you have to get (ex. where you would normally grab) and if its a simple as pushing back at the right time. Also what would u suggest be the best way to practice the timing?

4.Wave-dash/shine- Being a fox player to start I've learned to wavedash/shine quite well but as most know falcos a different beast. I'm just curious if any one has a tip on how to adapt to the timing which at least for the waveshine i've found to be similar to fox's

I apologize in advance for any questions that are too vague or have been anwsered before in the posts and appreciate any and all information or links that can help me get that edge over my friends who somehow without knowing any advanced techniques(except for recently learning to wavedash) have been giving me difficulty. Plus theres a small tournament at my shcool(not official) and I'd like to place top three if not win the tourney.
Thanks, Driz

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

allright driz, i'm here to help you.


1. Falco's utilt- when people dair to shine and then utilt, they lcancel the dair, shine, and usually wavedash out and do the utilt. the problem youa re having with the upsmash deal is normal, but the only way to correct it is by practice. many people (including myself) upsmash when trying to tilt in their early days, but once you have it you've got it. so you want to press the control stick up very lightly, and it would probably be best to push A before it reaches the top.

2. L-Cancel- Trust me, you absolutely want to learn to l-cancel all of his aerials. they are all very good moves (except for the fair, but it can be used effectively) The dair-> shien may be very common, but you can also nair-> shine, bair-> shine. l-cancelling just speeds up your overall game. you can dash nair, someone, and l-cancel into an fsmash. watch combo videos, every aerial will pretyt much be l-cancled and you can see how it works in combos.

3. Teching- if you're talking about edgeteching, you want to push L/R before you hit the edge and DI towards the stage (up right/up left if you want to walljump the tech, tech's can be input within 20 frames or 1/3rd of a second before you hit the surface you are teching on) you have to anticipate the hit from the edgegaurder. your best bet is to aim as close as possible to the edge, or even wall-hug up to it. almost any move is edge tech-able. as for teching walls, floor, you just push L/R when you're about to hit the wall/floor.

4.Wave-dash/shine- the only way to adapt to falco's wavedash and waveshine is just practice. it took me a while to learn it, but in combination with L-cancelled aerials, it's worth it becuase you can unleash some ownage combos. just practice practice and try not to get used to either space animals if you're going to continue using the other. good luck



if you have any other questions, feel free to ask me.

and don't forget to check out my character's match up guide if you need help against certain characters i think 7 or 8 of the 26 characters are in it.

 

[Leoneri]

Yeah hold on, let me gather myself for these answers.

1. I don't have much experience in this but I would say make sure you have the control stick up before you hit A so you dont have to do them at the same time which could cause a smash if you did it too hard.

2. Yes, you should learn to L-cancel all aerials. With dair, bair, and nair being the most useful in my opinion, the others have their uses. I tend to only use fair at low percentages, otherwise only one of the kicks will hit and i'm left kicking the air. I hardly ever uair, but I know I should. I've heard if you hit with the physical part of it and not the scissor part it knocks them upwards and is good for setting combos.

3. Go to Onett, and wait for a car to come by and hit you into a wall, then attempt to edgetech off of it.

4. Wavedashing with Falco is harder, because he has a slow jump. Just practice, and practice more, try it in 1/2 - 2/3 speed until you think you are ready.

If you need anything else i'll try to answer.

 

[h.e.x]

Okay... here goes...

1. To Utilt from a Dair, just don't smash the stick so hard. Do you execute aerial attacks with the C-stick or the analogue stick + A? With the C-stick, you can basically flick down air, fast fall it, and already by edging your thumb up on the analogue stick for the Utilt (don't get me wrong, you can do this with down + A as well, but it is a bid trickier in my opinion.)

2. Whenever you're still doing an aerial attack and you're going to hit the ground, you should L-cancel. Practice L-canceling all of Falco's aerials, particularly the neutral air, back air, up air, and down air (heh, look, I left out forwards air.) The fair isn't used nearly as much as Falco's other aerials, but it has its uses--such as: dash attack->sh fair ff l-cancel->utilt to start a combo (unorthodox and odd way to do it.)

Edit: @ Leoneri: The Uair owwwns It has a large hit area and is useful for stringing combos together as well as getting phat vertical kills with Falco. Try something badass like Shine->full jump->shine->uair on a stage with a relatively low ceiling. You feel like such a man when it happens.

3. It's 12:23 and I have like four tests tommorow. I'll talk about ledgeteching in an edit.

4. Get comfortable with Falco's wavedash. It's kind of awkward at first because his short hop has way more frames than Fox's, so it's delayed. Just practice wavedashing around on Final D. Once you get that down to a science, it should be pretty easy to waveshine. You probably don't want to hear this, but just practice it for a while. The wavedash/shine are really useful to have in your arsenal.


More to come.

 

[Driz]

Thanks for the info and the l-canceling question was more based on how fast falco's nair seems to recover didn't know if mastering its l-cancel was time worthy
Also for edgeteching does the L/R DI work even after a firefox and does edgeteching only work when paired against an edgegaurded attack or can it be used when just returning to an empty edge??

 

[Leoneri]

My guess is that you must be attacked, because you couldn't tech on the ground without being hit. And I have no idea about the firebird edgeteching, well actually, yes, because you would have to get hit which would take you out of the paralysis state.

 

[Driz]

As for the utilt I agree with all previous posts and I do feel myself just misstiming it and will definately try c-stick for dair and off that curious if it is more common to c-stick all ariels excluding nair ofcourse?

 

[h.e.x]

You definitely want to L-cancel your Nairs (Nair is totally a hair removal product...). No matter how fast it seems to recover, it becomes painfully obvious when you have and have not L-canceled it. When you L-cancel, you can immediately follow up with a shine or a wavedash or something sexy like that. When you don't L-cancel it, you can get smacked in the face or grabbed

Edit: you can still get smacked or grabbed if you L-cancel. But take my word for it, L-cancel everything.

 

[h.e.x]

On the C-stick aerial thing, I do it because:
A: As I posted above
B: You can move in one direction and aerial in another. Like bair while going forwards
C: You don't waste your second jump trying to Uair
D: Your controller produces more loud noises, so at tournaments, you appear WAY more pro.

 

[Driz]

I appreciate all the information and will definately work on all those, practice makes perfect and a perfect falco is almost impossible to beat! I love my laser and dair!

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

haha. that's a good outlook on things Driz. good luck man.


and h.e.x., to save you from a warning from a mod use the edit button next time lol :-D

 

[xelad1]

practice makes perfect and a perfect falco is almost impossible to beat! I love my laser and dair!

wow that should go in my sig lol

 

[h.e.x]

Haha, word. Try not to spam the laser and Dair, it gets predictable.

 

[DJ Boonbuggy]

1) I guess just wait longer and get used to when to do it, don't wait longer to move your stick up, but wait longer to hit A.

2) You always L-Cancel any aerial you do, no matter what the circumstance.

3) If you're talking about Ledgeteching, it's very hard. You have to hit L or R before you actually get hit, it's said to be a 20 frame window. (Hold up while teching because you'll do a wall jump after your tech and you can easily phantasm out of it).

4) The change is Falco's jump = 6 frames, Fox's = 4 frames. The shine for both characters is 3 frames before you can jump out of it, and if you hit someone, Fox has a 3 frame hitlag whereas Falco has 4 frames. This means that if you hit someone, there is a 3 frame difference between the two, without hitting someone there is only a 2 frame difference. Just do it a bunch and you'll get used to it.

 

[h.e.x]

Seriously though, as a Falco player, you want to make as many clicks with your controller as is humanly possible. When you're walking around at a tournament, be sure to "shadowbox" with it. It doesn't even matter if you're doing anything or not, it just has to be loud. People will see you and say "****, I don't want to go up against THAT guy." And then you have a slight advantage.

Good luck on your Falco, Driz.

 

[Leoneri]

What do you mean shadow box with it?