I was curious if Project M could or would consider an alteration of the Training Room with something that helps one work on their Melee techniques like categories such as SHFFL's, Certain Combo Routine's with Characters and etc. Something that kind of shows if one does it correctly or how to improve on it.
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Could Project M Alternate the Training Room with something Competitive?
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Rage83
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EDIT:I reread your suggestion. It's interesting! 
The training stage is set up to allow variety. The ledge for practicing edgeguarding, recovery, and the like. the wall for practice with and against wall-bounce combos, wall jump, and more. Also, there's the big space in the middle for practicing land-based techniques.
The training stage is set up to allow variety. The ledge for practicing edgeguarding, recovery, and the like. the wall for practice with and against wall-bounce combos, wall jump, and more. Also, there's the big space in the middle for practicing land-based techniques.
So I had noticed!
I think that if they could have situation set ups to work on these so you don't have to keep trying to get the CPU or a really bored friend, that it would really help keep things consistent while also focused. I think it'd really help narrow down what one is trying to do. I'm sure there's a variety of combinations but things such as SHFFL, and edge guarding techniques put into repeatable/altered situations could really help a player. Overall, I think it would really help expand the competitive field of Smash Bros.
I think that if they could have situation set ups to work on these so you don't have to keep trying to get the CPU or a really bored friend, that it would really help keep things consistent while also focused. I think it'd really help narrow down what one is trying to do. I'm sure there's a variety of combinations but things such as SHFFL, and edge guarding techniques put into repeatable/altered situations could really help a player. Overall, I think it would really help expand the competitive field of Smash Bros.
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
You can practice ledgeteching by placing a motion sensor bomb on the wall and then upB into it and SDI into it and ledgetech. I don't know if this will work on the training stage but I know it works on Fountain of Dreams' slightly curved walls near the ledges.
You're sure are you? Do you think it would be possible if the amount of time was immense enough?
Anything you could practice in the Training Room you can practice on a stage. The only exception would be the giant wall of wall combos, but very few stages have solid walls to utilize anyways. If we're going to have an official training stage with intervals on the floor and a lonely Sandbag, we could at least include something more common to other stages.
Generically Epic
Smash Ace
Training stage is a good stage as is, but i feel like it could use a platform somewhere...
I feel like your thing should be an event or something...
I feel like your thing should be an event or something...
Kati
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Kan you say the wall is the only exception, but then go on to mention both the sandbag and grid background. That's three defining features that differentiate it from other stages. The wall isn't strictly for combining strings of attacks either as Monkunit explains above. I wouldn't be surprised if a platform is added, but it would be unnecessary work for the team.
QQQQQQQ7777777
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Shadow Moses must die!
Ah, I meant to say that the wall was a unique aspect to the training stage you couldn't practice the same without. The spacing markers are very helpful for measuring distances to improve your spacing and Sandbag breaks the monotony of empty white space very well, but both of these are beside the point. My gripe was that a stage that's supposed to act as a resource for experimenting with techs and gathering data is missing such a core element of the game.
Replicating all the platform layouts of every stage would be unnecessary (unless the PMBR implemented some platforms that could be adjusted with some sort of non obtrusive mechanism). So if you want to practice specific layouts, head over to said stage. However, if you just practice with the normal stages, why do you need a training room at all?
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
If anything, I'd want the sandbag to have a more natural weight and not feel like it gets 2x knockback when hit. I don't think that's possible without affecting Home Run Contest, though.
Generically Epic
Smash Ace
yeah i know, but it is for training, and using platforms is a part of smash. We can't always play on final destination.
turtletank
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That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Reduced knockback could make HomeRun much more interesting.
Ginge
Smash Ace
But it would also invalidate all the distances you already have from Brawl. It would be like "I got it all the way to 1000! But Brawl's version I netted 16,000...."
It is just things to consider. Like should my Project M v 2.1b Ganon Boss Battle record (1:06) count? Should I have reset my records for everything just for P:M. What if I ever have the ungodly urge to go play Brawl for a day? What do I do about those records?
Troll
The space within the training room is pretty wide. It has enough space for a final destination. In all honesty, there could be multiple training stages. But that revolves back to just using the other original stages as frame of reference.
turtletank
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Hmm, I guess that's a fair point. My reasoning was that the extra damage would compensate for the reduced KB, but I guess it would cause a few problems when switching.
I think there's a great potential for the training room, or training option in general. The project M game is pretty great. If they were to set their sights on the training aspect, I think there could be a lot of potential innovation.
zman804
Smash Ace
Guel
Smash Journeyman
Having a all around room would be great imo and is much needed. Jumping back and forth between stages when I feel like practicing something different is a little annoying. If some platforms were to be added to the room one could just practice everything at anytime.
The room is wide enough to have some type of platform and still have its FD look. It already has walls/ledge and wide open area. Only thing missing is a platform. Id really like to see one somewhere in there. They could even maybe add a higher area that has a few platforms? You could get there by double jump up B or wall jump w/e.
I dont think you can spawn items in training room aside from smashball.
Mr.Random
Smash Ace
That's what we said about the clone engine.....just saying
That guy was a legitimate troll. I have no idea what his problem was. I figured redoing all of the physics in the game by switching it out with melee would be crazy difficult. But not the training room as such, but that guy decided to go full troll.
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
Chief among these should probably be improving CPU AI.
Agreed, worst stage in the game IMO. Rainbow cruise, onett, flatzone, and the damn crocodile under that DK stage all got to go.
SixSaw
Smash Journeyman
I was thinking it'd be nice if the training stage were shaped sort of like this:
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Preserving the wall while also providing a place to practice ledge stuff without having to die and run back every time you mess up. That's such a pain.
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Preserving the wall while also providing a place to practice ledge stuff without having to die and run back every time you mess up. That's such a pain.
Daftatt
"float like a puffball, sting like a knee"
I do agree that the right edge is not very good for edge game practicing, it is hard to see like on dracula's castle. I would use final destination instead
I'm just gonna spit-ball here.
While I very much enjoy the training room as is, i'm not opposed to adding features on the stage. I'm digging the ledge above the wall, though a hard platform could do the same thing without physically changing the stage. Which brings me to my next point:
A platform is a good idea, but there's an immense amount of space that everyone wants to fill in their own way and so it opens up more questions. Would the platform be closer to the wall, or the ledge? Soft or hard platform? Grabbable(?) ledge? Would it move? What directions? How high? Low? Slanted or flat? How wide or narrow? Just one platform? How many platforms? Do we copy an existing stage's layout or create a new one?
It's hard for me to picture a really good platform setup without making the stage look too sloppy or cluttered. I figured a moving platform, ala Smashville, would do the trick, but we'd all have to wait for the platform to come back and position itself ideally. MAYBE a stationary hard platform by the wall, and a stationary soft platform by the ledge. Someone mentioned having a set of platforms that is high enough to where it somewhat isolates itself from the rest of the stage, thus creating a platform-based area. I can see this turning out not unlike Battlefield or Pokemon Stadium 2, but more compact/less intrusive. This may be the most functionally thorough suggestion. As I mentioned, a ledge-grabbable hard platform along the walled side could also double as the platform to reach the training platforms.
It still sounds kinda messy though.
While I very much enjoy the training room as is, i'm not opposed to adding features on the stage. I'm digging the ledge above the wall, though a hard platform could do the same thing without physically changing the stage. Which brings me to my next point:
A platform is a good idea, but there's an immense amount of space that everyone wants to fill in their own way and so it opens up more questions. Would the platform be closer to the wall, or the ledge? Soft or hard platform? Grabbable(?) ledge? Would it move? What directions? How high? Low? Slanted or flat? How wide or narrow? Just one platform? How many platforms? Do we copy an existing stage's layout or create a new one?
It's hard for me to picture a really good platform setup without making the stage look too sloppy or cluttered. I figured a moving platform, ala Smashville, would do the trick, but we'd all have to wait for the platform to come back and position itself ideally. MAYBE a stationary hard platform by the wall, and a stationary soft platform by the ledge. Someone mentioned having a set of platforms that is high enough to where it somewhat isolates itself from the rest of the stage, thus creating a platform-based area. I can see this turning out not unlike Battlefield or Pokemon Stadium 2, but more compact/less intrusive. This may be the most functionally thorough suggestion. As I mentioned, a ledge-grabbable hard platform along the walled side could also double as the platform to reach the training platforms.
It still sounds kinda messy though.
libertyernie
Smash Ace
Clearly the purpose of the training room is to play a 1-stock giant metal heavy-gravity fast-motion match with 300% starting damage.
Seriously, though, the training room can be as big as it needs to be, so maybe there could be a stage *under* the existing stage, for practicing other things...
Seriously, though, the training room can be as big as it needs to be, so maybe there could be a stage *under* the existing stage, for practicing other things...
The stage is pretty damn big and spacious as it is. Any bigger and it would be such an eye strain in multiplayer (more so) due to having the camera stretch out to cover moving players. Single player would do the camera fine, but then we just have a bunch of empty space above us, and the 'stage' below would feel so far from the spawning point that the camera center might even have to be readjusted.
It seems more tasteful (and possibly less effort) to add the platform(s) inside the stage.
There definitely needs to be something adjusted for ledge guarding. I feel that's something that really needs to be addressed, especially since that's a large portion of the battle itself. The upper ledge idea is wonderful because if you have the computer on a high enough difficulty you shouldn't have to worry about it coming back towards you since it's coding is set to come for you like michael meyers. This would probably be the most effective honestly.
On a seperate note, there needs to be a diff kind of sandbag for SHFFL practice. The one that gathers damage is fine, however something that is built to stay within the initial damage range, preferably 0 would definitely help considering most of our combo's start out that way I'd imagine. But i like to practice my Nair's since my character has a bit of time before he hits the ground versus his dair which is practically straight down every time. This kind of sandbag would really help out.
On a seperate note, there needs to be a diff kind of sandbag for SHFFL practice. The one that gathers damage is fine, however something that is built to stay within the initial damage range, preferably 0 would definitely help considering most of our combo's start out that way I'd imagine. But i like to practice my Nair's since my character has a bit of time before he hits the ground versus his dair which is practically straight down every time. This kind of sandbag would really help out.