Competetive play team

[Sunnysunny]

My casual play team i've used for quite a bit. =w=
It ain't much but heck, its better then my crappy gym team. =w=

Suggestions are needed for weak spots.


Breloom w/focus sash
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Poison heal
Spore
focus punch
seed bomb
stone edge

Hard to counter espcially with focus sash. Need to watch out for pokemon with subsitute in there sets and pokemon that start whether effects. (T-tar and abamasnow. :V)

Infernape w/life orb
Nature: Naive
EVs: 64 atk, 252 sp attack, 192 speed

Close combat
grass knot
flamethrower
hidden power - ice

Spiritomb w/leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs 252 defense, 252 hp, 4 sp def
protect
confuse ray
nasty plot
dark pulse

Staaaaalller. Biggest threat is clefable and taunt. =w=

Suicune w/lum berry
EVs 252 def 252 hp, 4 speed.
nature: bold
Surf
ice beam
rest
extrasensory (Needs changing.)

Suicune with a resto-chesto theme. =w= Only with out the chesto berry. :V

Scizor w/ white herb
Nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 attack, 252 hp, 4 speed

Bullet punch
quick attack
super power
swords dance

Ampharos w/ choice specs
Nature: modest
EVs: 252 hp, 252 sp attack

Thunderbolt
focus blast
hidden power - ice
power gem.

 

[kirbyraeg]

My casual play team i've used for quite a bit. =w=
It ain't much but heck, its better then my crappy gym team. =w=

Suggestions are needed for weak spots.


Breloom w/focus sash
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Poison heal
Spore
focus punch
seed bomb
stone edge

Hard to counter espcially with focus sash. Need to watch out for pokemon with subsitute in there sets and pokemon that start whether effects. (T-tar and abamasnow. :V)

Honestly, breloom as a lead does no good for you at all since most leads out there will threaten it even with its focus sash. Yes, he can use spore in the beginning but if you really want a spore lead that can get more done for you go with smeargle. Try this lead set:

Smeargle @ Focus Sash
252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Jolly nature (+Spe, -SpAtk)

Spore
Stealth Rock
Thunder Wave/Taunt
Destiny Bond/Spikes

This is a weird set, non-standard but I think it'll work nicely for you. Spore the first lead, rocks as they switch out. Sash ensures you'll spore and get rocks up. If you keep your sash and make them switch out, you can thunder wave their switch in as you lose the sash and destiny bond since you'll be guaranteed to be faster. Yeah, it'll spoil the surprise, and you'll still lose to aerodactyl no matter what, but it's a nice idea and I think you should try it out even with the chance of paralysis ruining destiny bond. I listed the standard moves second, as they'll always be a solid choice.

Infernape w/life orb
Nature: Naive
EVs: 64 atk, 252 sp attack, 192 speed

Close combat/U-turn?
grass knot
flamethrowerFire Blast
hidden power - ice

Definitely run fire blast over flamethrower, he needs the extra power. This is a pretty standard mixape, but I think a lot of what makes it work is that he has the power to clear out most walls that stand in his way, so your team should take advantage of having those walls gone. However, since latias is so common, I'm going to suggest u-turn over close combat, since scouting the opponent's latias switch-in is critical. I'd also suggest if you follow this change that you move the attack EVs into speed just because you don't need a lot of power on u-turn, and the extra speed can be helpful. A free switch for breloom into blissey's status of choice is nice too though

Spiritomb w/leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs 252 defense, 252 hp, 4 sp def
protect
confuse ray
nasty plot
dark pulse

Staaaaalller. Biggest threat is clefable and taunt. =w=

Having two defensive setup pokemon is not really a good idea on a team, so I think you should ditch either suicune or spiritomb. Using breloom here would probably give you better results

Breloom @ Toxic Orb
252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Jolly nature (+Spe, -SpAtk)
Spore
Substitute
Focus Punch
Seed Bomb/Stone Edge

This guy is a real pain to take down, especially with poison heal as his ability. I'd say this team has a nice enough time dealing with flying threats as a whole so I'd give the nod to seed bomb over stone edge, although both are useful.


Suicune w/lum berry
EVs 252 def 252 hp, 4 speed.
nature: bold
Surf
ice beam
rest
extrasensory (Needs changing.)

Suicune with a resto-chesto theme. =w= Only with out the chesto berry. :V

I think you should try an offensive suicune here with its type coverage. It can be a secondary sweeper of sorts, being able to still beat things that will stop scizor from sweeping like gyarados/starmie.

Suicune @ Leftovers
252 SpAtk/252 Spe/4 Def
Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
Calm Mind
Ice Beam
Surf
Hidden Power Electric

Scizor w/ white herb
Nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 attack, 252 hp, 4 speed

Bullet punch
quick attack
super power
swords dance

SD Scizor is fine, but white herb isn't really worth it as an item goes just because having the extra power of life orb means you'll do more damage over 2 hits even with the drop in attack. Also quick attack is your choice but scizor should really run bug bite just so he has a nice neutral STAB to deal with bulky waters like vaporeon and suicune, and he needs a bit more speed to get the jump on them as well. Try the spread 72 HP/252 Atk/168 Spe/40 def just so he can outspeed 4 spe suicune and minimize life orb recoil.

Ampharos w/ choice specs
Nature: modest
EVs: 252 hp, 252 sp attack

Thunderbolt
focus blast
hidden power - ice
power gem.

Ampharos is nice and bulky but he really doesn't have great coverage. If you want a powerful specs user I'd go with specs latias, especially since he can scare a lot of switch-ins and helps to weaken walls that will ruin your sd scizor sweep. The big advantage specs latias has is that his surf can 2hko offensive tyranitar and scizor with stealth rocks up and can trick its choice specs onto blissey.

Latias @ Choice Specs
252 SpAtk/252 Spe/4 Def
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
Draco Meteor
Surf
Thunderbolt
Trick

just some thoughts, give them a try

 

[Gates]

Kirbyraeg, I used Special based MixApe for a long time and Flamethrower works fine. Most of the time you're using it on stuff that is weak to fire or has low SpD anyway so you really don't need the extra power.

Breloom w/focus sash
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Poison heal
Spore
focus punch
seed bomb
stone edge

Hard to counter espcially with focus sash. Need to watch out for pokemon with subsitute in there sets and pokemon that start whether effects. (T-tar and abamasnow.)

I agree with pretty much everything Kirbyraeg said and his Smeargle is mad cute so you might want to go with either that or Roserade. I reccommend Smeargle though since he can set up spike which your team desperately needs. I'd also like to point out that Infernape completely destroys this guy since it can nullify your Sash with Fake Out and then destroy you with Fire Blast before you have a chance to do anything else.

Infernape w/life orb
Nature: Naive
EVs: 64 atk, 252 sp attack, 192 speed

Close combat
grass knot
flamethrower
hidden power - ice

Looks good.

Spiritomb w/leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs 252 defense, 252 hp, 4 sp def
protect
confuse ray
nasty plot
dark pulse

Staaaaalller. Biggest threat is clefable and taunt.

I already talked about this in your other thread.

Suicune w/lum berry
EVs 252 def 252 hp, 4 speed.
nature: bold
Surf
ice beam
rest
extrasensory (Needs changing.)

Suicune with a resto-chesto theme. Only with out the chesto berry.

Um, if you're doing a Rest and Chesto Berry set you should actually use Chesto Berry so that you don't lose your berry to another status that you could have rested off like Toxic or Thunder Wave.

But anyway, this set is definitely inferior to CroCune or normal CMCune. I'd run one of those if I were you, or at least change Extrasensory to HP Electric.

Scizor w/ white herb
Nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 attack, 252 hp, 4 speed

Bullet punch
quick attack
super power
swords dance

I can see why you'd want White Herb because of Superpower, but it's really not that big a deal to lose one point of attack after you've boosted. Life Orb also makes a big difference. If you're really that scared of the attack drop you might as well run Brick Break instead of Superpower - it works fine and you might be surprised at how often you're able to break through Reflect. Quick Attack is the other thing you need to replace here. So I'd suggest going one of two ways with this - using Life Orb and Bug Bite and going for an all-out sweeper, or using Roost and Leftovers and going for a bulky sweeper. Both are very good options.

Ampharos w/ choice specs
Nature: modest
EVs: 252 hp, 252 sp attack

Thunderbolt
focus blast
hidden power - ice
power gem

I'm not gonna lie, this set is not very good. Forgetting that there are tons of better special attackers than Ampharos, what exactly does Power Gem accomplish? The only things you can hit with it are Flying types which you can hit with TBolt, Ice types which you can hit with Focus Blast, and Bug and Fire types which you can hit for neutral damage so you shouldn't worry about it. If you do continue to run Ampharos, you should go with HP Grass and Signal Beam to hit Swampert and other Grass types. If you're worried about dragons, don't be because they'd outspeed him and hit him with Earthquake before he could use HP Ice anyway.

Ultimately though, you shouldn't use this guy. If you want to replace him with another electric type, there's Jolteon, Electivire, Zapdos, Rotom-A, Magnezone, Lanturn, and Raikou. If you want to replace him with any special attacker, the list is extremely long, but Latias or Heatran is a safe bet.

btw, is this an in-game team? I ask because you seem to mostly be following Item Clause which is almost never on Shoddy.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Yes, yes smeargle is the adorables~! owo
I actually made one when I first got into competetive play. It wasn't very good though but I did the moveset totally wrong. I was clueless xD

aww and no this isn't in game, however the forum I go too has "item clause" on tourneys. >_< So I have to kind make use of some lesser used items. I shoulda mentioned that at first. I also should mention that I do not use pokesav either. hmm im not sure if im even aloud to mention it here. Soo sorry if im not. D: I also simply can't use it either. Its kinda complicated. Not pokesav, but why it doesn't work for me. If I could get someones too pokesav for me and send em over id be very grateful~! (obvious begging is obvious) =w= Err anywho onto the team~!

Breloom definitely ain't a lead. I just lack em, and breloom is just plain difficult to "fully" counter without getting sleep HAX. I'll use either smeargle, or my swampy for it instead. I just need a lil more experience with using em.

Fire blast and flamethrower are both usable on infernape. I just don't like the accuracy of fire blast. Im not very lucky with accuracy moves. Would overheat with white herb work or would that be a no-no? I have to say, I don't like life orb. Its killed me off in very important situations and I rather not use it ya know? o3o

I think i'll ditch suicune for breloom. hmm. as for the set for breloom, I used it before. I didn't really like it though. I may just have used it wrong though, since breloom was another poke I used when I first started. I'll try it again,, but my sashloom has some surprise KO value. Although only the move, and item is changed this breloom functions totally different.


White herb is there because of the dang item clause. .-. I could just switch infernape item, with scizors. Im sure either one would appreiciat the extra power from it. Scizor would have probably stacked up enough swords dance if played properly to wear he would even need white herb.
I loooooove it when I break reflects. Most of the time, I forget brick break even does that. ^^;
Hmm the main thing I have a problem with scizor (or my scizor) is his speed. i'll try bug bite for coverage. two fully powered super powers (with white herb of course) can do quite alot of nuetral damage. But bug bite gets effected by both techniqian and STAB. I'll try your moveset. =p

Im totally playing favorites with ampharos. ^^; I named mine "snuggles" There too adorable ;w;.
But incidently before I saw this I was looking up latias movesets. And oooooohmygod there are soo many. O_o Im probably gonna use a latias...but im still mauling over what kind. I never knew it was so versatile.


Thanks for the help~! If theres anything more then whats been said, keep it coming~!

 

[Gates]

aww and no this isn't in game, however the forum I go too has "item clause" on tourneys. So I have to kind make use of some lesser used items. I shoulda mentioned that at first. I also should mention that I do not use pokesav either. hmm im not sure if im even aloud to mention it here. Soo sorry if im not. D: I also simply can't use it either. Its kinda complicated. Not pokesav, but why it doesn't work for me. If I could get someones too pokesav for me and send em over id be very grateful!
You just said this wasn't an in-game team so why would pokesav matter?

Or maybe I wasn't clear - When I said "in-game" I meant any game on D/P/Pt/HG/SS, not the team you used to beat the game.

Fire blast and flamethrower are both usable on infernape. I just don't like the accuracy of fire blast. Im not very lucky with accuracy moves. Would overheat with white herb work or would that be a no-no? I have to say, I don't like life orb. Its killed me off in very important situations and I rather not use it ya know?
Infernape wouldn't live that long even without Life Orb. He has few good resistances, a lot fo common weaknesses, and low defenses. The only other viable option to go with on him would be a Choice Scarf/Specs. White Herb is just generally not that good.

I think i'll ditch suicune for breloom.
If you can't put Leftovers on Suicune you might as well. Poison Heal + Toxic Orb Breloom was pretty much made to get around Item Clause.

Im totally playing favorites with ampharos.
That's generally not the smartest thing to do.

But incidently before I saw this I was looking up latias movesets. And oooooohmygod there are soo many. Im probably gonna use a latias...but im still mauling over what kind. I never knew it was so versatile.
If you're going to replace Ampharos with Latias you'll probably want a special attacking one like TrickChoice or CM.

If your team is using Item Clause, it definitely changes a lot of things. Because of this, I'd reccommend you think about using a CB Scizor. Assuming you make the other changes we mentioned, this would make your team:

Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Infernape @ Life Orb
Rotom-S @ Leftovers
Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Scizor @ Choice Band
Latias @ Choice Scarf/Specs

This is a very viable team that doesn't violate item clause.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Ooooh~! In that case yea its in game~! =w=
The poksav thing I thought id just mention along with my item clause dilemma. I thought I might mention it, as somethings would be really difficult without it. =w=

That scizor actually use to be a choice band scizor. For item clause sake i'll turn it back.

I'll use specs over scarf. =w=