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College Smash64

General Heinz

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Hey 64 boards.

I'm a college student like probably a lot of you are. I historically haven't played 64 as seriously as Melee, but one thing I've noticed that differs between the two games is their perceived accessibility. I feel like smash in general is a pretty easy concept for most people to wrap their heads around, even for casual players, while at the same time being fun as **** to play with other people. For that reason it remains popular even among older players who may not even really identify as "gamers," much less "competitive gamers." So I've noticed a lot of dudes play smash in college, but in my experience it's almost universally 64, not Melee.

This could be for various reasons--it's more familiar since it's the first game, it's "easier" (I'm not saying that it is, but I have heard many accuse Melee of being too "hard" in comparison, when in actuality they just each have their own difficulties if you really look at things), etc. But either way, for whatever reasons those are, I've been playing a lot more 64 than Melee recently because no one wants to play me in Melee.

I usually just play with my friends, but today a guy was going through my dorm knocking on doors trying to get participants for an impromptu 64 tourney they were holding in one of the lounges. No entry fee, $50 Meijer gift card as a prize. A couple of the guys on my floor directed the dude to me because everybody knows I love to play mad smash, so I picked up my controller and followed him there.

Now, I kind of expected that it wouldn't be that serious of a tourney because I knew it wasn't organized through smashboards, and since any ****ing bro and his brother can have a good time playing drunk smash, it was probably gonna be...well, gay. But I figured I'd give it a shot.

When I get there, my expectations were met--just a signup sheet where you write your name, and then they take names four-by-four for free-for-alls on one setup (HD and all), last two remaining in each match advance. All items on set to medium, random stage, 5-stock. They also had a "no sitting" rule meaning you can't just avoid conflict if you're low on stocks or else you're "automatically eliminated"--ooookay.

So long story short it was obviously ****ing bull****, randomed to Peach's castle, TV lagged worse than I've ever seen, and I got ****ed up by a hammer three times, SD'd once, and ended up as the third remaining, so I got eliminated.

As all of you probably already know there's really no point to me explaining these things to you because anyone who actually takes the game seriously (and holds a tourney for the purpose of competition, not throwing first place at the first kid it sticks to) understands everything about items, matchups (free-for-all??), and laggy TVs, but you also know that if I were to say any of that to them they would just say I was whining.

But anyway, the real point of this post is this: Seeing the braindead way this was set up, I'm really inclined to hold my own tourney in my dorm with legitimate rules, but seeing the turnout for this tourney (it was actually pretty good--at least 24 entrants, probably more, but I left after I got eliminated cuz I had to go to the library), I realize that most of the people who would show up to it would probably ***** about the ruleset, which would be the recommended competitive ruleset.

My question is, how do you guys think the best way is to convince people of the legitimacy of the ruleset and get participants? My plan is to probably just post flyers around the dorm with the ruleset on it so anyone who comes already knows, but what if no one comes because of that? Plus I'd need setups with good TVs.
 

Battlecow

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It's tough. The casual community is a million times the size of the competitive community, and a lot of people don't want to spend the time and effort it would take to get good-they'd rather just have a good time playing casually, which isn't a bad thing.

For tournaments, though, I think everyone'll realize that your/our way is more "fair" if you let them get used to it. Hang up the flyer and explain it to them, if they're not cool with it they don't have to enter.
 

M!nt

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It seems like they enjoy it as a party game moreover a competitive game, so I doubt you could convince them.

hmmm, I would just say
"**** you this is my tournament, and this is what the rules are"

and then me and the only other person there would play 1v1s lol
 

General Heinz

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Yeah, I don't have a problem with casual play--I usually play with the rules they had when I play with my friends (though only because they don't want to play without items either), I just feel like it should seem totally bass-ackwards to people to use those rules in a competitive environment (if that's what a tourney is supposed to be).

I do plan to put up the flyers, though my only concern would be if I had to pay the dorm to rent out a space, which is possible (I should ask those guys I smashed with today if they did), at which point I would need a certain number of entrants or I'd just lose money.

I guess there's not much of a purpose for this thread since I already know what I have to do :p But it's good to get support.

Maybe it's just me being stupid and not understanding why anyone would think you could run a TOURNAMENT that way.

It seems like they enjoy it as a party game moreover a competitive game, so I doubt you could convince them.

hmmm, I would just say
"**** you this is my tournament, and this is what the rules are"

and then me and the only other person there would play 1v1s lol
Yeah all I really want is somebody to play me in a ****ing 1v1 for once so I could actually practice the game and not worry about getting gimped by the Kirby sneaking in out of the corner haha.
 

asianaussie

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I would take the game to your nearest monthly/weekly/whatever, find one in the regional boards

bring your own tv and setup so you don't have to worry about people stealing your stuff to play brawl on
 

General Heinz

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I would take the game to your nearest monthly/weekly/whatever, find one in the regional boards

bring your own tv and setup so you don't have to worry about people stealing your stuff to play brawl on
Yeah, I was wondering if there were any good/active 64 players in MI. And do people really usually play on Wii anymore?
 

Combo Blaze

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I always hated item FFA tournys ever since I was a kid. :c It usually ended up people ganging up on the good player and stuff.
 

TalosSSB

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I'm just tossing ideas around :p

Competitive smash is hard. I can't imagine playing zeus or smash in person xD
Well it all depends on how natural you are with the game. If you can naturally predict and out do regular competitive server players then it's not really hard. It get's seriously 'hard' around the top level of play when you have people who are willing to never fall into traps others would fall into after a time or force them to fall into it.
 

Sangoku

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^What are you talking about? O_o

Pretty sure NTA was refering to people that rage/flame too hard... Therefore it's hard to handle them IRL. Thing is they're probably all kids that would fall knocked out after the first punch...

Also is it me or your english is weird? (that's a real question, because mine isn't that good, so maybe I have understanding problems).
 

General Heinz

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Well it all depends on how natural you are with the game. If you can naturally predict and out do regular competitive server players then it's not really hard. It get's seriously 'hard' around the top level of play when you have people who are willing to never fall into traps others would fall into after a time or force them to fall into it.
I've never played online but I can imagine.

I always hated item FFA tournys ever since I was a kid. It usually ended up people ganging up on the good player and stuff.
Yeah, that's basically what it came down to. People who knew each other ganging up on people who could easily win in a more competitive setting.

I guess I just wanna run my own tourney cuz I'm salty but it would be cool to do it just to see if I could get a scene together at MSU.
 

TANK64

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Yea, in my student lounge it only smash 64. Too bad everyone sucks...

@Sangoku, and yes, his last sentence is a train wreak.
 

clubbadubba

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So I go to UVA, and about a month ago, my senior class governing body hosted a ssb64 tourney with a prize of $50. Of course, the tourney was FFA. Items were going to be off though. Me and 2 of my friends went. My 2 friends aren't nearly as good as me, but they can zcancel and combo a bit so they're much better than the random player. Because of the gang up ****, we decided we would work together and split the money.

Anyway we get there and there and 8 ppl sign up. The organizers (who are just college students like me) come over to everyone who's warming up and asks us if we're ready to go. I decided I would try and make the tourney 1v1. I first asked how are we doing stages, and the organizer said random each round. This was perfect as I pointed out how unfair some stages are in FFA, i.e. yoshi's island cloud camping ftw. To my surprise, most of the entrants agreed. The organizer asked well then how should we do it? I suggested that 1v1, 5 stock, no items, best of 3 would be the fairest way to play. Again, I got agreement from most everyone, except the 5 stock would have taken to long, so it got bumped to 3 stock. The organizers were mainly concerned with time constraints, but as they were going to do some "round robins" for seeding anyway, it was actually shorter to do 1v1. I was pretty surprised how easy it was to change the format of the tourney, so you should definitely try that next time. Most players, well people in general, want the fairest outcome in a tournament like this.

tl; dr

People are surprisingly supportive of 1v1 over FFA as long as time constraints are met and you point out rationally how unfair FFA can be.
 

General Heinz

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That's good to hear. I think I could probably rationalize with them but given the situation of the last one it would have been difficult considering the fact that they only had one setup (which is obviously dumb considering most of the players probably had their own setups just down the hall). But yeah, I'm gonna definitely look into it. In theory people should realize pretty quickly how asinine it is to play FFA.
 

rawrimamonster

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Call em weak if they need items, give them a little compensation and dont ban any stages since noobs love bad stages. Make entry $5 or something so they know its serious and have the rules posted ahead of time. Above all else though dont give into their need for items. if they wanna get good at all and not just ***** like a buncha scrubs then they'll keep playing.
 

Battlecow

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Gio and frogles live in michigan. Gio's an objectively bad person and frogles is an antisocial basement-dweller, but give it a shot.
 

XKCP

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In terms of getting 1 vs 1 to happen, you have to explain the rationale and logic to having a fair outcome from the tournament.

But if you want to keep things simple as well, I've often had 3 typical stages (hyrule, dreamland, and usually congo jungle) outlined for play so the players can have variety to some degree, but not be upset about vicious counterpicks.

All the other rules apply, although stock can be changed to fit certain needs, like time constraints.
 

Rubbish

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I'm surprised. Whenever I've played with others they've had no opposition to free for alls.

Back in fall semester I had an open period at the same time as 5 others who were interested in smash and we got a room to play in. Brought my tv in and everything. Even though we had enough people for consistent teams we never played them and everyone seemed to think it was fair, lol

Also, at the University of Toronto they play melee almost exclusively.
 

The Star King

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if you were TRULY SKILLED you would take on all 3 at the same time clearly FFAs are LEGIT
 

Sempiternity

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approaching an Up+Bing Kirby on the helipad is surprisingly difficult with a slow character

that **** has range and just snatches you up
 
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