Cloud Nerf 1.1.5 (Please Say Your Feeling on the Nerf)

[Prevaricator Faust]

Are people still ******** about the nerfs? well to say it more accurately overreacting to the nerfs? seriously Cloud still plays the same regardless of the nerfs he got and even then about 80% of the time it's people whining over FT being nerfed. If you depended on that move to win a game then you're using Cloud all wrong.

Edit: Especially when all his Kill moves still work.

 

[Quantumpen]

with 13%, upair had +1 frame advantage on sheild. probably doesn't now so thats a real nerf. because you cant just spam a nice combo confirm on shield now.

This would be a big nerf -- but I am pretty sure auto-canceled u-air is still safe.

 

[Zetox]

Looking at it from this perspective, it think I've personally overreacted to the nerfs. Yeah, his limit gimmick got gimped and smash nerfs. But his overall character and gameplan will relatively stay the same. No need to do any major adjustments other than to maybe work just a little bit hard.

Even if we was nerfed to Z tier, I wouldn't drop him from my mains team.

That is some hardcore character loyalty there. I respect that.

 

[Bobert]

"So it takes less than a second longer for me to get limit, my smashes weaker, my u-air is slightly weaker, and my aerial Finishing Touch doesn't kill as early? Oh well. At least I still have the best kill move in the game in the form of Limit Break Cross-Slash, and my aerials are still absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention that Sheik isn't a losing MU for me anymore and ZSS is even easier to deal with than before thanks to their nerfs. Oh, I still beat Rosalina also. 20FF here I come."

tl;dr: lolk

 

[NikkiNanka]

Does anyone know the frame data on upair on shield now? It's probably still safe you just have to actually space it

 

[~Skelly~]

Does anyone know the frame data on upair on shield now? It's probably still safe, you just have to actually space it.

Frame data on Uair should still be the same, though it likely has a few frames more due to the changed shieldstun.

Edit: Lavani 's got the exact data.

 

[Lavani]

Does anyone know the frame data on upair on shield now? It's probably still safe you just have to actually space it

It lost 1 frame of safety, which basically just means more characters can shieldgrab it but it's still safe if they have to put their shield down first to reach you.

 

[(Samn)]

It lost 1 frame of safety, which basically just means more characters can shieldgrab it but it's still safe if they have to put their shield down first to reach you.

Oh I didn't know that, thanks for the info :D

 

[SSJ X Cloud Strife]

That is some hardcore character loyalty there. I respect that.

Thanks.

I literally bought this game and a Wii U when Cloud's announcement trailer dropped, so yes, the loyalty is real. ^_^

 

[atticusfinch7]

Why Usmash was not nerfed is beyond me. Way too safe of a kill move to throw out.

 

[GHNeko]

Why Usmash was not nerfed is beyond me. Way too safe of a kill move to throw out.

15 frame start up, 31 frames of lag, -15 frames on shield, -22 frames for OOS options. On top of that, it kills JUST as well as Uair does, meaning it kills around the same percents as Uair, but just a bit better.

It's not safe at all.

 

[Virum]

Why Usmash was not nerfed is beyond me. Way too safe of a kill move to throw out.

Because it's slow and not strong for how slow it is. The move isn't remotely safe either, as spaced USmash is still super punishable on block. This is just you being bad I'm afraid.

 

[atticusfinch7]

Because it's slow and not strong for how slow it is. The move isn't remotely safe either, as spaced USmash is still super punishable on block. This is just you being bad I'm afraid.

Super Punishable? On perfect shield, sure. But any character with mediocre run speed or traction can't dash grab you for it, and is pushed too far for a tilt to work. Which is half the roster.

 

[GHNeko]

Super Punishable? On perfect shield, sure. But any character with mediocre run speed or traction can't dash grab you for it, and is pushed too far for a tilt to work. Which is half the roster.

You ignored the frame data I posted showing how easy it is to punish it.

LIterally -22 frame disadvantage. Every single character in the cast has an OOS option that is less than 20 frames.

Characters that cant dash grab Usmash have other methods of punishment.

 

[Virum]

Super Punishable? On perfect shield, sure. But any character with mediocre run speed or traction can't dash grab you for it, and is pushed too far for a tilt to work. Which is half the roster.

You don't have to perfect shield it, nor does your character need to be fast. Even characters like Robin and Ganon can drop shield and dash attack to punish USmash.

 

[Curleh_Mustache]

He had pretty minor nerfs. He just kills a little later and charges his limit slightly slower but it's not too noticeable. His biggest nerf was his aerial finishing touch. I think he's still a good character though

 

[Lyled]

Cloud's nerfs are minor compared to sheik or mk. They pretty much lower his kill power. I just think that his limits were double nerfed by the increased charging time and lower kbg.

Overall still a good character. Possibly better due to nerfs on the top tiers.

 

[Yσנιмιтѕυ]

Cloud after the nerf to the other top tiers was made stronger overall in comparison, and actually I think the nerfs were deserved - his kill power was plain ridiculous pre-patch. I think he's at a really healthy spot right now. Best swordsman in the game for sure - now that mk is out (RIP).

 

[FUEGO!]

So, does FT still kill the same on the ground?

 

[GHNeko]

So, does FT still kill the same on the ground?

Yes.

10yes

 

[FUEGO!]

Yes.

10yes

 

[LightningHelix]

Love playing cloud....
....and I'm still happy he got nerfed.

He was too damn strong and even these nerfs, other than the FT nerf are pretty much negligible. Even he got nerfed a bit further I would be happy about it, especially so people don't say that the character carries me. Don't want cloud to be compared to bayonetta, after all.

 

[GHNeko]

Anyone who says Cloud carries you is talking out of their ass.

Tell them that top tiers carry everyone who plays them. That's why they play them. Because they're good. And better than the rest of the cast.

Literally the opposite of telling a player that a bottom tier holds them back.

 

[(Samn)]

Anyone who says Cloud carries you is talking out of their ***.

Tell them that top tiers carry everyone who plays them. That's why they play them. Because they're good. And better than the rest of the cast.

Literally the opposite of telling a player that a bottom tier holds them back.

Characters are suppose to carry you, thats why you main your main because they are good for you and you get results