Close Please.

[Pakman]

Link to original post: [drupal=2221]Illegal Aliens[/drupal]



The government is completely going insane.
Now PLEASE don’t give me this “YOU’RE RACIST” thing because you forget the fact that they are ILLEGAL ALIENS! WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!?!?!?!
So anyway my dad was talking to our Venezuelan neighbor and she said that the illegal aliens at where she works are BRAGGING about how if they work for 3 months and quit, they get welfare and food stamps for the next 9 MONTHS.
Not only that, she said that Venezuela let illegal aliens in and gave them benefits like us Americans and THEY ARE IN LOTS OF DEBT!
And she said that she had to go through TONS of hoops to become an American, but Illegal Aliens are getting in FREE and getting TONS of benefits.
Now how is this fair?
>.> my first blog with that uncompleted sentance error....

I appologise if this kind of content is unaccepted, if it is please close this, but I honestly don't see why it would.

I was under the impression you needed a Social Security Number to get food stamps. They don't just give free money to anybody. I am sure there needs to be some kind of proof of poverty as well. So how are illegal aliens getting food stamps and other stuff when these American social benefits require a Social Security Number? I am not saying it's impossible, but I don't see how this is the government's fault. They run the risk of fraud if they get caught. Maybe the government should investigate a little harder, but I feel like you are blaming the wrong group.

I think investigating and deporting these immigrants would cost the country more than actually letting them stay.

Also, a story that your dad got from your neighbor probably isn't the most reliable story either. Illegal aliens are a problem, but I don't think you have a huge grasp of why.

 

[Deleted member]

This problem could be solved if the U.S. made it inexpensive, quick, and easy to immigrate legally.

 

[zeldspazz]

You really need to stop saying illegal. It would be like telling a dog that drinking out of the toliet is bad. Doesn't matter to the dog. There are bound to be people who will do something illegal. No matter how many times you say it, its not going to make a difference. Every country has problems.

But they are illegal.......................your analogy was wrong.
Im certainly not calling them legal, because they came over without being granted permission so it is illegal.

Persoally, I think the countries leaders of places like Saudi Arabia, China, etc. are the true people to blame, because the make people want to take such extreme action

But, we cant help every single person on the planet. We cant change the minds of those leaders. We also cant let them come under violation of the law though.

@Godsmith: Im all for that plan. Id love it if it were easier for poor people who suffered poverty come in. Im sure they've tried though, and it's just the way the wold is right now.

 

[Leekduck]

What he means is the word ""illegals"" is sorta de-humanising, In britain we use the word "Amnesty seekers" not "illegals"

 

[Skadorski]

I was under the impression you needed a Social Security Number to get food stamps. They don't just give free money to anybody. I am sure there needs to be some kind of proof of poverty as well. So how are illegal aliens getting food stamps and other stuff when these American social benefits require a Social Security Number? I am not saying it's impossible, but I don't see how this is the government's fault. They run the risk of fraud if they get caught. Maybe the government should investigate a little harder, but I feel like you are blaming the wrong group.
We are practically Letting them in. Obama wanted people to protect the border UNARMED!
I think investigating and deporting these immigrants would cost the country more than actually letting them stay.
I'm not entirely sure, but I'm sure they would save money if they prevented them from coming in
Also, a story that your dad got from your neighbor probably isn't the most reliable story either Everyone says "Oh thats an unreliable soucre" "Well they were lieing" ect. No, they wern't.. Illegal aliens are a problem, but I don't think you have a huge grasp of why. Maybe not, but I know they are putting America into more debt.

I agree with the first paragraph a little. No, it is not the gorernment's fault that they are taking advantage of food stamps ect. but it is they're fault that they are here mostly. Read the thing I said.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly though, we've gotta do something. What's the unemployment rate now, like 10%? We definately do not need non-citizens taking any jobs whatsoever.

 

[Leekduck]

If america is so annoyed by "illegal" immigration, Why doesent it do more to try and fix the problems in other countrys?

 

[Barge]

This is becoming more and more like the debate hall.

 

[Deleted member]

Why the **** is America responsible if people are starving in Africa?

 

[Skadorski]

If america is so annoyed by "illegal" immigration, Why doesent it do more to try and fix the problems in other countrys?

Because the Founding Fathers even said that "becoming an ally with another country was not good" Because America should be it's own country.

Edit: Barge I completely agree, I'm going to see if I can put this there.
I don't know like anything about the debate hall but I would appretiate it if someone made this topic there.

 

[Leekduck]

I dident say america was responsible

 

[Grey Belnades]

But they are illegal.......................your analogy was wrong.

Its not an analogy.

 

[zeldspazz]

I agree with Gamingblack, they arent thinking "Im going to leech of the american benefit system and live a life of luxury", there thinking "I need to get out of here NOW",

Of course thats what they are thinking. I dont believe anybody in that situation would think like that. The former is a result of the latter if they come here without permission (I caught myself, almost said illegal) Its not good, and whether they planned on doing that or not, its happening.

Illegal immigration doesent affect too many people, if it has any effect it has a positive effect

the fact people dont like illegal immigrations because ""we had to get a passport and they dident, its not fair!!"" Seems a bit selfish to me

I found it really hard to read that post, Im serious. Its bad times when breaking the law in ANY way is a positive thing. 1/3 of my parent's pay checks is taken out for taxes. Some of that is going to them, and portion that could go back to my parents if they werent here without permission.

And its not just about the passport. There are many immigrants here who got here through the immigration process as a whole, they bypassed and cheating alot of the hardships that other immigrants had to go threw, and they still get the same benefits. That is selfish.

 

[Leekduck]

actualy some countries in africa are in debt to america and other rich countriesdue to Tied Aid that they gave out in the past

Youl find that that money went down because were in a reccesion, and were in a reccesion because of homebuyers in Rich countries like america and britain,

I need to go now

 

[~automatic]

This happens all over the world not just in the states. No system is perfect, in Europe the have a way to deal with immigration into the EU which works for them but may not work for the states due to many reasons. However I wouldnt pin the entire debt on illegal immigrants because there is some heavy unnecesary spending somewhere. Oh, don't forget that invasion of the middle east.

Fixing the problem shouldn't involve fences and more paperwork those are only expensive quick fixes that please a larger part of the crowd and anger the rest. Taking out the source of the problem is always a better thing to do than a quick fix. The solution lies in both foreign aid and investment opportunities for nations to develop or modenize economic structures.

Cases like the one you mentioned, where people come to mooch off the gov are what make many truly hard working individuals (there are a lot more of these than moochers) look bad.

Ehh, I'm worried this is turning into a Debate hall......I wonder if I should put this there........

Yeah, the Debate Hall may be the best choice for this type of discussion. Do you want to say the magic words or should I say them.

 

[zeldspazz]

Youl find that that money went down because were in a reccesion, and were in a reccesion because of homebuyers in Rich countries like america and britain,

I need to go now

Please, thats a whole different debate I dont feel like getting into

 

[Skadorski]

Yeah, the Debate Hall may be the best choice for this type of discussion. Do you want to say the magic words or should I say them.

I honestly don't know what they are, but I think this should be closed (If those are the words, I'm sorry) I don't know anything about the debate hall >.>

 

[Deleted member]

Problem is, the Debate Hall isn't exactly super active.

 

[zeldspazz]

inb4close

I think I held my own pretty well considering Im only 13 years old :D

Im done now, this is stressing me out =o

 

[Teran]

Closed on request.