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Here's the comment that inspired this thread:
do any of you guys look at the other character boards? I was wondering if there were any other boards that were well organized? Or if there are any threads that are really well done.
And the subsequent conversation that happened shortly after:
The Lucina/Marth and MegaMan boards make me jealous. If @ CostLow CostLow can make an awesome/super confident thread and if @ Zelkam Zelkam can make an awesome picture of myself, then we can definitely make the Link boards a little more appealing. Title images and funny/epic pictures in the OP give it a bit more flavor and interest. We have the WiiU game, so there's lots of room for creativity.
Well, all of the Bowser thread stickies have a banner just like this, with the title changed to match the thread. I know we have some artistic dudes in here that could do something similar if you want that sort of thing. (http://i.imgur.com/kH4kGHv.png)

Same as Bowser, just Dark Pit this time.
(http://i.imgur.com/jhNrccT.png)

I also saw what you were referring to in those threads. They have skeletons of organized activity but there is either little adherence to that organization or lack of moderation of the OTs. The thing that we have going for us is a massive amount of activity from the creators of these major threads.

So, I think we just need to spruce up some of the OTs and figure out what threads we want to have as stickies such as the video thread, blubba's guide, the social thread, etc. Once we know which threads to make sticky, then we can spruce up those threads as needed.

Edit: In fact, I think I might start a thread to try and get this all figured out.
I actually have some interesting ideas about which threads we need to sticky, which sticky threads need to be created and how they should be modified to organize the boards better. For the time being, I think that the social thread must be stickied along with the patch notes thread. This way instead of creating a new thread with every patch release I'll just edit that once and also keep a data log of past patches.

Please feel free to contribute to this discussion as you wish while I try to make the discussion bring forth fruit. :)

Zelda Wiki has a large library of stock images, here.



Threads to create:

Q&A
Welcome -> Elessar
Patch Notes -> Zelkam and/or Elessar
Would you mid helping me by creating a nice image header for both the MU thread and also for the patch notes one? For the MU you can go with the four swards one of Link being surrounded by mobs or whatever you think best. For the patch notes, maybe a sheikah stone talking, or Rauru giving exposition or something like that. Again, I trust in your criteria. Thanks.​
 
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I will start working on a "FAQ/Rules" thread that could be stickied right above everything else. I'm going to lay the rules to our boards there so that newbies can see the punch coming.

Also, I have an idea about the MU thread. I think that that MU thread should only work as an index, linking to the actual threads where the discussion is taking place. So, that thread should be closed and only serve as a gateway of sorts.

Finally (for now), I think that Scabe's video thread should clarify that it's also for criticism.

If anyone has any ideas for things I should include in the Rules thread, please let me know. The thread will be live later this afternoon.
 

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If the mu index is gonna be closed, who will be the one that manages it and updates the op periodically? We still got to be able to report if there is currently discussion in the other boards because sometimes we overlook things. Where's Buzzsaw, btw?
 

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Well, unless Buzzsaw shows up We'll have to create a new MU index, all nice and glossy, and update that one. That way there'll only be that post and no debates. It should be done by a fairly active user. I mean, the only idea behind it would be to create the specific MU threads in the boards and have a link to them int he index, then scout the other boards and find them and Link to them as well.
 

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Well, unless Buzzsaw shows up We'll have to create a new MU index, all nice and glossy, and update that one. That way there'll only be that post and no debates. It should be done by a fairly active user. I mean, the only idea behind it would be to create the specific MU threads in the boards and have a link to them int he index, then scout the other boards and find them and Link to them as well.
Isn't that what buzzsaw's thread already is?

Also, I just realized we don't have a dedicated Q&A thread. I realize that kinda falls under Costlow's thread, but I feel like it should have it's own thread and then Costlow can link to it. That way his thread stays what it is, an index. As awesome as it is, I feel like its starting to get cluttered. Not to mention that he's not gonna be able to keep up with it as much once he becomes papa Costlow.
 

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Isn't that what buzzsaw's thread already is?

Also, I just realized we don't have a dedicated Q&A thread. I realize that kinda falls under Costlow's thread, but I feel like it should have it's own thread and then Costlow can link to it. That way his thread stays what it is, an index. As awesome as it is, I feel like its starting to get cluttered. Not to mention that he's not gonna be able to keep up with it as much once he becomes papa Costlow.
Guys, my intention really wasn't to make my thread an end result type of thing. I just put each of those sections together because I felt like the boards could use each one and I didn't want to make a whole thread for each. If you like my layout you can easily take it for yourself and make a new thread. I'll just get rid of my version and make a link instead, just like Zelkam said.

Really, if you think that anything I've put together here should go to use some other way feel free to start your own version or even just take the whole thing as is if you want. I really don't mind at all. Also, if anyone starts a thread and would like some help with touching it up with some formatting I'd be glad to help out as best as I can. :)
 

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So I suppose we can use this thread (till it dies out) to discuss moderator duties for me. Seems like this community really likes stickies, so is there anything else that you really want stickied. Or stickies that I should take out?

Also with Buzz's thread, if he's not around, perhaps if someone wants to take over the thread, I can change the owner of the thread to that person.

Also I fixed up my video thread, to let people know they can use it for critiquing.
 
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This should be stickied imho.

http://smashboards.com/threads/official-patch-notes-for-1-0-4.378472/

We can keep it as an official patch notes thread which I'll edit and update every time there's a new patch. That way we can keep all the patch notes on a single thread as a backlog.

Also, not saying that I want the MU thread, but what do you guys think about my idea for it? For it to be locked and only serve as an index linking into each MU respective thread.
 

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This should be stickied imho.

http://smashboards.com/threads/official-patch-notes-for-1-0-4.378472/

We can keep it as an official patch notes thread which I'll edit and update every time there's a new patch. That way we can keep all the patch notes on a single thread as a backlog.

Also, not saying that I want the MU thread, but what do you guys think about my idea for it? For it to be locked and only serve as an index linking into each MU respective thread.
That's a good idea. I think that's what it was meant to be anyway: an index. We just need whoever wants to make the thread to be super awesome and find MU threads from all over the character boards and put them here (merge threads or something).
 

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I could do that if no one else wants/ca do it, but not today, maybe tomorrow. Also, I'll need @ Zelkam Zelkam 's help with creating an image for it so it look pwetty.
 

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Question: would using Four Sword Links in said image be blasphemous? Cuz that's what I'm thinking right now.
 

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Such questions are hard to answer plainly. I'll have to consult with the council of sages on this matter; their wisdom may shed on light on this dark path that lays before us.
 

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Question: would using Four Sword Links in said image be blasphemous? Cuz that's what I'm thinking right now.
The purple tunic link is obviously at least partially inspired by Four Swords so I don't see anything wrong with it personally.

This should be stickied imho.

http://smashboards.com/threads/official-patch-notes-for-1-0-4.378472/

We can keep it as an official patch notes thread which I'll edit and update every time there's a new patch. That way we can keep all the patch notes on a single thread as a backlog.

Also, not saying that I want the MU thread, but what do you guys think about my idea for it? For it to be locked and only serve as an index linking into each MU respective thread.
I also second the idea of the MU thread.

Possible something that can be used in the patches thread??

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Until Ninty gets it act together and starts releasing patch notes it's up to us to find out what has changed. This info is vital if we're to represent Link to his fullest potential so keeping a list of all changes becomes imperative. This thread will be used to create the patch note for all patches for Link for easy referral. It will be updated as much as it needs to to keep accurate and uptodate. There are some criteria to be taken into account though when compiling an accurate, useful list and I'll list them here. This thread is for changes only, so if anything hasn't been removed (like bombslides as of the current patch) then I won't mention it.

Also, for anything to be added we need concrete hard data. This means comparisons, testing, numbers and videos when possible.

This is a brief, albeit annoying way of testing knockback:



This way you end with a chart like the one seen here which provides hard data on the changes. It's time to prove that Link mains do work. All damage data has been compared to the info on Blubba's Guide Thread which will be updated as each patch is released as to also be always uptodate. That thread is our parameter when comparing data from patch to patch.


Smash Bros 3DS Worldwide Release - 3 October, 2014
Smash Bros. 3DS 1.0.2
Smash Bros. 3DS 1.0.3 - 27 October, 2014
Smash Bros. 3DS 1.0.4 - 18 November, 2014
Finally, these are the current patch notes for v 1.0.4 for all characters.

CONFIRMED PATCH NOTES FOR v 1.0.4:

BUG FIXES:
* The rocket jump or boost jump has been changed. Now instead of launching into the air it makes you get on stage standing up with no lag. Calling this ZLedge Boost.

NERFS:
* Toss Canceling has been completely removed; thus hitstun can't be canceled with it anymore.
* Fmash 1st hit Knockback greatly reduced from 46 ⇒ 37; as a result FSmash 1st hit is no longer a KO move at any % unless tipped.
* DAir>FF no longer bounces off the opponent's shield nor the opponent; whereas before it did.

BUFFS:
* FSmash 1st hit's knockback angle is lower thus linking into Fsmash 2 more consistently. Fsmash 1st & 2nd are a true combo up to 150%, and up to 300% with some timing (improved from v 1.0.3 where the second smash would whiff at 100%).
* Fsmash 1st hit with tipper hitbox fully charged kills at 90%, buffed from 110%.

Thanks to the following people for helping to confirm and test data: Kintuse (@LinkSpecialist), @FSK, @Catana, @Zane the pure, @LordFluffy, @ Ryu_Ken Ryu_Ken , and @Thinkaman.

Smash Bros Wii U Worldwide Release - 6 December, 2014
 

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The purple tunic link is obviously at least partially inspired by Four Swords so I don't see anything wrong with it personally.

I also second the idea of the MU thread.

Possible something that can be used in the patches thread??

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Until Ninty gets it act together and starts releasing patch notes it's up to us to find out what has changed. This info is vital if we're to represent Link to his fullest potential so keeping a list of all changes becomes imperative. This thread will be used to create the patch note for all patches for Link for easy referral. It will be updated as much as it needs to to keep accurate and uptodate. There are some criteria to be taken into account though when compiling an accurate, useful list and I'll list them here. This thread is for changes only, so if anything hasn't been removed (like bombslides as of the current patch) then I won't mention it.

Also, for anything to be added we need concrete hard data. This means comparisons, testing, numbers and videos when possible.

This is a brief, albeit annoying way of testing knockback:



This way you end with a chart like the one seen here which provides hard data on the changes. It's time to prove that Link mains do work. All damage data has been compared to the info on Blubba's Guide Thread which will be updated as each patch is released as to also be always uptodate. That thread is our parameter when comparing data from patch to patch.


Smash Bros 3DS Worldwide Release - 3 October, 2014
Smash Bros. 3DS 1.0.2
Smash Bros. 3DS 1.0.3 - 27 October, 2014
Smash Bros. 3DS 1.0.4 - 18 November, 2014
Finally, these are the current patch notes for v 1.0.4 for all characters.

CONFIRMED PATCH NOTES FOR v 1.0.4:

BUG FIXES:
* The rocket jump or boost jump has been changed. Now instead of launching into the air it makes you get on stage standing up with no lag. Calling this ZLedge Boost.

NERFS:
* Toss Canceling has been completely removed; thus hitstun can't be canceled with it anymore.
* Fmash 1st hit Knockback greatly reduced from 46 ⇒ 37; as a result FSmash 1st hit is no longer a KO move at any % unless tipped.
* DAir>FF no longer bounces off the opponent's shield nor the opponent; whereas before it did.

BUFFS:
* FSmash 1st hit's knockback angle is lower thus linking into Fsmash 2 more consistently. Fsmash 1st & 2nd are a true combo up to 150%, and up to 300% with some timing (improved from v 1.0.3 where the second smash would whiff at 100%).
* Fsmash 1st hit with tipper hitbox fully charged kills at 90%, buffed from 110%.

Thanks to the following people for helping to confirm and test data: Kintuse (@LinkSpecialist), @FSK, @Catana, @Zane the pure, @LordFluffy, @ Ryu_Ken Ryu_Ken , and @Thinkaman.

Smash Bros Wii U Worldwide Release - 6 December, 2014
I like it. I'll wait it s soon as I get home tonight. Can you give me the link to that image you used?
 

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I've got patch stuff covered. Because of the comparison video, I've got all of Link's moves recorded. Once I new patch comes out I can just record his moveset again and compare it to the last patch. This way I'll have a video archive of Link from patch to patch.

Also, I didn't realize you could measure knockback like that. I'll work on getting the number for all his moves and log that away as well.
 

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I've got patch stuff covered. Because of the comparison video, I've got all of Link's moves recorded. Once I new patch comes out I can just record his moveset again and compare it to the last patch. This way I'll have a video archive of Link from patch to patch.

Also, I didn't realize you could measure knockback like that. I'll work on getting the number for all his moves and log that away as well.
Damn Zelda, too good. That would be awesome since noticing the changes will become too easy. Do you want to take over the patch thread? Or just collaborate with me to keep it updated and post the info?
 

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I'll just post the info unless you get tired of running it. No sense in making a new thread or switching ownership of an existing one if we don't have to.
 

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Ok. We'll work together; you'll do all the work and I'll take all the credit. IT SHALL BE GLORIOUS!
 

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Can't wait for the NEW and IMPROVED MU INDEX 2.0! (In announcer voice)
Damn Zelda, too good. That would be awesome since noticing the changes will become too easy. Do you want to take over the patch thread? Or just collaborate with me to keep it updated and post the info?
did you just call Zelkam Zelda? Lmfao. :joyful:
 

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Can't wait for the NEW and IMPROVED MU INDEX 2.0! (In announcer voice)

did you just call Zelkam Zelda? Lmfao. :joyful:
I was on my phone, stupid predictive text.

I reckon we should start doing regular in-depth write ups of matchups.
Have a look at the OP http://smashboards.com/threads/the-dark-arts-of-ganon-match-up-discussion-current-peach.373934/

And we can add that to the MU Index 2.0
So should I just crate a new one, or will you transfer ownership? I mean, how are we proceeding with this?
 

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i'll just transfer
Ok, I'll start working on it to have a nice, good looking decent MU index. Then spam the boards with the MU threads we're missing as to have at least our side complete. The threads can fill up on their own.

I'll look for MU threads on us afterwards, if anybody known of one or stumbles into one, please PM them to me. Scabe, don't lock that thread until I'm done with it please. Apparently I can't edit my own posts in locked threads. After I'm done, you can delete the comments there and lock it if you wish. Whatever you deem best.

@ Zelkam Zelkam . Would you mid helping me by creating a nice image header for both the MU thread and also for the patch notes one? For the MU you can go with the four swards one of Link being surrounded by mobs or whatever you think best. For the patch notes, maybe a sheikah stone talking, or Rauru giving exposition or something like that. Again, I trust in your criteria. Thanks.
 
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@ Elessar Elessar Sure thing. I've got a couple idea for the MU header so I'll probably make them both and let you pick one. Also, lemme know what the exact titles are gonna be when you figure them out so I can make the header match.
 
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