Cinder's Falco...needs work (Updated 2/9/08)

[Cinder]

I'm a total Falco n00b...I need help -_-...

Here's a video I took of me goin' at it with a friend...I could use some critique (as long as you don't just say "omg, you suxorz")...I want to get really good with Falco...so any help would be appreciated...

Here's the vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZFiji_2BCM

EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ViJK373Tvc

EDIT: Geez, it's been a while XD...but here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVzTnXZXvj0

 

[captainlukey]

just the main ones, read the stickies and find out how to do adv tehcniques such as shl, shffl, and all the shine tricks...

stop rolling so much learn to wavedash instead.
umm id just say learn the adv tech it helps and once u have that it will be easier to critique...
and just dont roll so dam much...

 

[mikechi]

ya i noticed you missed alot of your wavedashing and also try not to dair so much it gets wayy too predictable some comboing would be nice too you should work on that

 

[Cinder]

Yeah...I'm more used to Doc's WD...I'll also admit that my SHL needs a little work...is it just me, or is it too high and a little slow?

btw...I do know the adv techs, but like I said, I'm more accostumed to Doc...

 

[mikechi]

ya your shl's are a little high and slow try fasting falling them

 

[Red.]

guides will help you for sure.

 

[Cinder]

Yeah...I'll need to check out the guides when I get a chance...btw, what would y'all recommend for practicing...I live in the country, so I don't get a lot of human competition...

 

[mikechi]

just try getting your wavedashing down with him one messed up wavedash could ruin the stock for you. also try and combo thats falcos main thing you need to worry about also

 

[Cinder]

just try getting your wavedashing down with him one messed up wavedash could ruin the stock for you. also try and combo thats falcos main thing you need to worry about also

Will do ...I'll also start watching vids...I have trouble with reading guides , but I'll still read 'em...I'd like to be at least a little better by Wednesday...I have a small tournament...

 

[Junpappy]

Your shuffles don't look like they're being fast-falled. Against DK, you want to be moving around a lot more because grab = death. Shl's need to be fast-falled as well. Less dairs, more grabs.

 

[Cinder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ViJK373Tvc
Added a new vid...it's from the same day, so it isn't much better...I do get a few spikes in, though...but I walk right into a Donkey Punch...and a combo x_x...it's a little embarrassing...please, no comment on that >_<...just check out the rest...

 

[captainlukey]

u worry to much cinder... just let your massive post count do the talking for you lol.
your definately on the rite track jus keep practicing
http://media.putfile.com/failed-combo
and heres a link to one of my combos... this one doesnt work out but it mite give you some ideas....

 

[Cinder]

u worry to much cinder... just let your massive post count do the talking for you lol.
your definately on the rite track jus keep practicing
http://media.putfile.com/failed-combo
and heres a link to one of my combos... this one doesnt work out but it mite give you some ideas....

Thanks...I'l be sure to try it out tomorrow...

And as for my post count...I spend a lot of time in the Brawl Character discussion...post counts tend to shoot up there

 

[captainlukey]

Thanks...I'l be sure to try it out tomorrow...

And as for my post count...I spend a lot of time in the Brawl Character discussion...post counts tend to shoot up there

maybe i should go there.... lol
my post count needs some major work...
but if you look at all the threads in this section i have the last post on most them atm
lol

 

[mikechi]

rofl who cares about post counts post counts dont mean crap id say working on your character would be considered major work haha thats just what i think

 

[captainlukey]

rofl who cares about post counts post counts dont mean crap id say working on your character would be considered major work haha thats just what i think

well sein as tho my character is already pretty dam awesome... i think ill work on my post count thank you very much
lol
i guess there is always time for practice tho...

 

[Cinder]

well sein as tho my character is already pretty dam awesome... i think ill work on my post count thank you very much
lol
i guess there is always time for practice tho...

Yeah...I need to get back to practicing >_<...I've got a tourney tomorrow...thankfully, my only competition is a missle-spamming friend of mine...shouldn't be too hard...as long as I choose to ban FD, I'll be fine (platforms would help...flat terrain, not so much)...

 

[captainlukey]

good luck with that tourny old friend...
are you ready for it?
all trained up?

 

[Junpappy]

Pokemon Stadium is usually worse against missile spammers than Final Destination.

 

[Cinder]

Pokemon Stadium is usually worse against missile spammers than Final Destination.

Thankfully, he doesnt' know that...he always bans it (he hates it with a passion, and isn't that wise with stage selection)...and if he doesn't, I will...

@Captainlukey: thanks, man! I think I'm ready...like I said, this is at school, so I won't exactly be fighting Tope

btw...is there a particular stage that's good for fighting missile spammers? I'm thinking BF or FoD, but I'm not that smart with stage selection...any advice?

 

[captainlukey]

cinder,
i think maybe u should be using this time to find your center,
uve would have obviously been practicing...
so just go with the physical training you have now...
and let your mind swim to the furtherst reaches of the cosmos...
meditate if you have to... but make sure you are mentally in the rite place cause thats just as important if not more important than actuall skills...
be focused...

and against missle spammage...
i dont ussually have trouble with missile spammers, so i ussually just pick FD,
but anything with platforms will probly be better for you and still cause hell for your opponant, so maybe kirbys DL,
soz i cant help more man, i just dont have trouble with missile spammers that often...

 

[Junpappy]

You should never counterpick Dreamland against Samus unless you're very good at using the platforms there.

 

[captainlukey]

You should never counterpick Dreamland against Samus unless you're very good at using the platforms there.

then wat is the best stage for fighting teh missile spammers?

 

[Cinder]

You should never counterpick Dreamland against Samus unless you're very good at using the platforms there.

How 'bout BF and Yoshi's Story? btw...I spent the last several hours practicing on FoD...I think I can handle the platforms...

The way I see it, he's gonna ban PS, and I'm banning FD, so the two hardest missle spammer stages are gone...unless there's another stage that's harder to deal with a missle spammer on...

 

[mikechi]

yoshi story is a good counterpick in my opinion since its small and you cant really missle spam much good for comboing with falco too FoD is alright but you still might have a little trouble

 

[Cinder]

Well, it doesn't matter now...the tourney never really happened (it was a FFA, and I don't do FFAs), but we did "grudge matches" afterwards, and I took on some innocent n00b who kept saying he could beat me for the past few days...I *****...it would've been a four-stock, but I wasn't in the zone at the beginning...meh...I won, so what the hell?

 

[mikechi]

Well, it doesn't matter now...the tourney never really happened (it was a FFA, and I don't do FFAs), but we did "grudge matches" afterwards, and I took on some innocent n00b who kept saying he could beat me for the past few days...I *****...it would've been a four-stock, but I wasn't in the zone at the beginning...meh...I won, so what the hell?

i freakin hate ffa's i mean they are fun but i just hate em

 

[Cinder]

i freakin hate ffa's i mean they are fun but i just hate em

Don't I know it...that's why I just waited for the grudge matches...glad I did...I was able to slip under the radar and randomly come and **** that poor little n00b...man, I was the crowd favorite...everyone was amazed at my Falco...it's safe to assume they've never seen any PC Chris/Zhu/Shiz matches...but still, it's great to be the object of awe for once

 

[mikechi]

Don't I know it...that's why I just waited for the grudge matches...glad I did...I was able to slip under the radar and randomly come and **** that poor little n00b...man, I was the crowd favorite...everyone was amazed at my Falco...it's safe to assume they've never seen any PC Chris/Zhu/Shiz matches...but still, it's great to be the object of awe for once

haha ya that is true but of course ive never been the object of awe at tournaments unless i pull off a ken combo but then again everyone elses is on a whole different level then i am

 

[Cinder]

haha ya that is true but of course ive never been the object of awe at tournaments unless i pull off a ken combo but then again everyone elses is on a whole different level then i am

Yeah...everyone at this past tourney was definately on a different level than me...one that's a crapload LOWER...seriously...I'm pumped for my next tourney at Tope's...any last minute advice? I'll try and get a match of me and my crewmate Ice Tr4y up on Saturday..

 

[mikechi]

advice.... uhhhh own? i guess rofl

 

[WoodHaven The Cat]

Ok first of all, more lasers. Second, never use upsmash for falco. Third, down throws are easily techable. Fourth and final, your SHFFL'd d airs really don't seem to lead to anything. Pillars from d airs is a falco staple.

 

[technomancer]

Alot of the same

Work on getting some consistant 2-3 hit combos in training mode from your upthrow on Fox, and then on Marth.

Work on your movement. Wavedash out of shine, and wave land, and running around doing SHL variations (RSHL, double jump fastfall double laser, FH3L, running SHLs especially).

Othwerise it's just experience. Oh yeah work on your DI.

 

[Cinder]

Aight, here's my n00b question for the day: what does the R in RSHL stand for? I'd think running, but if it is, technomancer just said it twice...reverse maybe? And FH3L (something about a triple laser I guess?)

 

[LoudGhost!]

Learn to wavedash out of shines, Fastfallers can be comboed with just that until about 45-60%

That gives you a good advantage in falco dittos, falco vs fox and falco vs falcon

More grabs and Dashdances

also, MOAR TAUNT

lol good luck, You're on your way

-LG

 

[captainlukey]

Aight, here's my n00b question for the day: what does the R in RSHL stand for? I'd think running, but if it is, technomancer just said it twice...reverse maybe? And FH3L (something about a triple laser I guess?)

the R stands for reverse...
the fh3l is full hop triple lasers...
thats about it i think...
and a little help with the full hop triples is that press b the first time BEFORE you hit the peak of your jump...
hope that helps

 

[Cinder]

the R stands for reverse...
the fh3l is full hop triple lasers...
thats about it i think...
and a little help with the full hop triples is that press b the first time BEFORE you hit the peak of your jump...
hope that helps

Yeah, that's what I thought...jus' wanted to make sure...thanks...

And for anyone who cares, I got ***** at Tope's today:bigthumbu

 

[captainlukey]

Yeah, that's what I thought...jus' wanted to make sure...thanks...

And for anyone who cares, I got ***** at Tope's today:bigthumbu

i wouldnt say i care, but im interested at least....
who is this "tope", ive never actually herd of him... vids?

 

[Cinder]

i wouldnt say i care, but im interested at least....
who is this "tope", ive never actually herd of him... vids?

Obviously you don't keep up with the Atlantic North Smashers...Tope is in the Top 15 (I think), and he's number eight in Virginia (I think...there's a thread for it, but I haven't seen it in a while)...here're the vids from the finals of the tourney he hosted in September...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AE458FA9184AAB3D

 

[captainlukey]

he plays relatively rough huh,
i spose that swhy he is in top 15....
no wonder u got blammed up a notch... lol
id like to play tope at some stage... id like to see how i compare...