Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Rajam]

ARRGHHHHH I LIVE AGAIN!

Okay we got 2 Lavos spawn to hunt down (presuming there was 1 recruitment each night.)
We also have 4 suspects.


@Rajam: It is possible that the Lavos spawn were blocked from performing their night action. It doesn't matter much either way.


Vote: DMG

Why 2? shouldn't be 3?
btw, were you or were you not a spawn Day 1?
Sorry had to ask that
I also know you're town (I don't think spawsn can recruit) so I won't pressure you to claim your abilities or restrictions... just keep them hidden from Mafia

 

[Omni]

wait something is rubbing me the wrong way. i'm going back to do some more rereading.

rajam, how do you feel about edreeses?

 

[Rajam]

DMG is definitely not spawn, he was protected by me every night.

He could still be the spawn from the beginning
But that is kind of weird... why would he be able to revive me then?
Mind games? DMG reviving me would put him clear when maybe he is not
...

 

[Rajam]

wait something is rubbing me the wrong way. i'm going back to do some more rereading.

rajam, how do you feel about edreeses?

I don't know. He was my top scum pick the previous Day, Shaya was 2nd
I'll have to read and search through previous days... I was lazy ._. so I must do that homework now

 

[Red Arremer]

First off, you can call me joel, no need for the period (unless you like to put it).

Then: Shaya might've been lying to throw us off, so it's not sure there's the exact amount of scum players he said there would be.

And yes, I know what I said and what it means - DMG is, if he wasn't scum from the start, definitely town. That doesn't clear him 100% (cause there's still the chance he's original scum) BUT: I doubt he is. He definitely couldn't have been turned spawn tho.

As for the players:
Edrees:
Already posted my thoughts on him hanging together a lot with Shaya somehow in terms of both strategies and "victims" of their cases. Since Shaya flipped Lavos, I'm pretty sure he's spawn.

Pierce:
Considering his incredibly strong town play and the fact he was the one who picked up my case on Shaya and proposed it, I'm pretty sure that he is town, it wouldn't make sense otherwise, unless scum decided to sacrifice the recruiter, which doesn't seem likely.

Rajam:
I'm really not sure about him. I have problems reading him because he's on and off with his play. Sometimes he plays really well, sometimes he does really silly things. We don't know if Spawn loses powers, but we can have him easily prove it by doublevoting and then retracting the votes immediately to prove if he still has his powers.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Why 2? shouldn't be 3?
btw, were you or were you not a spawn Day 1?
Sorry had to ask that
I also know you're town (I don't think spawsn can recruit) so I won't pressure you to claim your abilities or restrictions... just keep them hidden from Mafia

Why would there be three Rajam?
There were only 2 nights that Lavos could recruit.
He was killed Day 3.

hence at most, there can only be two spawn.

Let alone my abilities were revealed when I was lynched.
Did you forget this?


@Omni: It isn't specified. When I am revived it is the result of going to the time era where my Chrono doll is located. So it does not matter.

 

[Omni]

so since we are in the future Rajam has 2 votes?

in which case we can prove this (safely) by just having Rajam vote ShadowLink (without unvoting until Overswarm updates the votecount). scum wouldn't be dumb enough to triple pounce ShadowLink, sacrifice one of themselves, and out the others if there is in fact a 3-scum team left.

so does having rajam vote ShadowLink sound like a good idea to prove if he still has his powers?

IF he still does have his powers, unfortunately, it does not clear him since we are not sure if scum keep their power. IF he DOESN'T have his powers then he is confirmed spawn who lost their powers and/or a liar

@shadowlink: there is a very slim chance that lavos started off with a spawn. i think its best to assume there could potentially be 3, but more probable to be 2

 

[Pierce7d]

Yeah, if I was scum I'm not about to sacrifice my recruiter if Edrees was a potential scapegoat. Don't insult my intelligence.

I used the Doll, and meant to say that in my first post. I don't know why it was me that acquired it though, but I did find it, and was immediately given the option to use it, which I did.

I am not scum, and have never lied about any aspect of my singular ability, which makes me immune to being targeted by night actions.

Vote: Edrees

Unvote

as to show I can still vote.

 

[ShadowLink84]

@Omni: Yeah. It is an extremely safe option due to my anti-kill ability. I do still remain with the idea that the game must have started with only Lavos as a recruiter and not starting out with a spawn.

Futhermore, I do suspect that spawn would retain their abilities.
joel protected dmg for three nights.
pierce is immune.
Rajam can do his double vote (he did it last page).
DMG was protected too.

At this point, I am suspecting spawn retain their abilities.

 

[Rajam]

I can vote for myself if you want to check if my abilities are working or not

Also, I was reading my ability and I just noticed something:

My vote for time periods counts by two, I'm pretty sure about that
My vote for lynchs I think counts by two, or maybe by one... my ability is called "Time Double-voter": While we are in Future, my vote counts by two... now I don't know if that only refers to time vote, or time and lynch votes... I always thought the "Time" word in my ability name was just irrelevant and what is important is the description of my ability which doesn't specify if the vote doubled is time or lynch (because of that, I think both votes are doubled)

I can vote for whatever you tell me to. After all, I think when coming here we decided that I would not use my abilities for myself because that's risky

 

[Rajam]

wait aaaahhh don't start to vote yet -_- I just want to make my name clean ._. and check if my lynch vote counts or not by two

As I said, I can vote for myself if you want

 

[ShadowLink84]

Votefor me then Rajam.
As omni said, scum wont risk a triple pounce(presuming three) or vote for me at all (double pounce)
It also prevents an "accidental" lynch since most assuredly whoever attempts to lynch a confirmed town is a spawn.

 

[Red Arremer]

Vote-checking:
Vote: ShadowLink

Unvote

 

[Rajam]

Why would there be three Rajam?
There were only 2 nights that Lavos could recruit.
He was killed Day 3.

hence at most, there can only be two spawn.

Let alone my abilities were revealed when I was lynched.
Did you forget this?


@Omni: It isn't specified. When I am revived it is the result of going to the time era where my Chrono doll is located. So it does not matter.

2 nights + the original spawn. Also that's why I'm asking if you were a spawn day 1 or not.
You could have more abilities... just in case. You're town, no one should be FOSing you or pressuring you. If some things about you hasn't been revealed yet, keep them hidden from Mafia

 

[ShadowLink84]

Rajam you're being very silly.
If I was spawn, it would have been revealed when I was lynched.
I was revealed as town when i was lynched.

 

[Rajam]

Votefor me then Rajam.
As omni said, scum wont risk a triple pounce(presuming three) or vote for me at all (double pounce)
It also prevents an "accidental" lynch since most assuredly whoever attempts to lynch a confirmed town is a spawn.

I vote for you? I still think voting for myself is safer, since I'm not 100% clean ._. and I still can be revived

Confirm anyways for who do I vote

 

[ShadowLink84]

I vote for you? I still think voting for myself is safer, since I'm not 100% clean ._. and I still can be revived

Confirm anyways for who do I vote

You vote for me.


If anything we can have the rest of town confirm.

Omni and Scamp pretty much agreed.
I agreed.

Anyone else agree?

 

[Rajam]

Rajam you're being very silly.
If I was spawn, it would have been revealed when I was lynched.
I was revealed as town when i was lynched.

...
My bad. I totally forgot about that
Still, I ask again: shouldn't there be 3 spawns?

...

And now I remember Chibo said Shaya targeted Pierce night 1, but failed
So, there should be 2
(unless we don't believe in Pierce's ability, but I guess someone else said that targeted Pierce and failed too, so that makes Pierce more likely town.
Why are we looking only ourselves? Couldn't Omni or Scamp be spawns? Shaya could've targeted one of them the night they were revived... the doc wouldn't have protected any of them so it was a safe option for Shaya)

 

[Red Arremer]

I agree too.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Ah that's right Rajam.
I wasn't sure about that but it was mentioned that Shaya failed against Pierce.

This means we only have either 1 or 2 spawn.

 

[Rajam]

say that in my first post. I don't know why it was me that acquired it though, but I did find it, and was immediately given the option to use it, which I did.

I wonder if DMG is able to revive me from the beginning of the game, or if he found something like a Robo's doll when we traveled to Pre-historic

 

[Red Arremer]

Honestly, I have my doubts that in this setup with 3 indies (1 of them specifically aimed at killing Lavos, 2 of them for spawns), Lavos already has a spawn to start with, that would make town+indies incredibly broken.

 

[Omni]

Vote: Edrees

Unvote

as to show I can still vote.

Vote-checking:
Vote: ShadowLink

Unvote

Guys, I don't think this is confirming if you can vote or not. An actual confirmation can only be seen after:

1.) A vote is made.
2.) OS updates the votecount with your names on there.

Voting and unvoting within the same post means that your name won't appear on any votecounts thus won't prove if voting is confirmed.

More importantly, why are you guys testing/confirming if they can vote or not anyway? I'm a bit confused on that part.

 

[Red Arremer]

The PM I got when I was voteblocked said that if I voted for a time or a lynch, I would die.

 

[Red Arremer]

So: If anyone can't vote they die, lol.

Also, I just did it for the sake of proving I can vote again toDay.

 

[Pierce7d]

No Shadowlink, I was specifically given the option of reviving you when I found the Chrono Doll. I did not ask OS why I specifically was the one to receive the Chrono Doll.

Also, you know I'm not scum because Chibo confirmed that Shaya visited me, and I confirmed that I repelled the conversion before I lead a lynch on him.

Sorry I got you lynched Day 1. You were kinda right about flavor pouring into this game.

Lavos might have been able to recruit during the day, because Omni and Scamp disappeared ASAP before night on Day 1, at the time of the lynching, and this was before night actions. However, they didn't win. Either they're lying about their win conditions, or there's a spawn or other scum. Also, he visited me on the FIRST NIGHT (how unlucky Shaya had been with ability usage)

So actually, unless Chibo was the spawn, there's still a DAY 1 Spawn lurking around.

Edrees claimed Spawn Hunter, and hit Adum (Indy, and no longer in the game) and Shaya (Lavos himself) so NO ONE had been purged of being Spawn, or killed by his ability. We can trust Adum, so we know Edrees' hits are probably true. That leaves DMG, who potentially was a Day 1 spawn (never rule that out), Rajam,

I don't like the way Scamp has been so quiet. It greatly reduces the chance that he can accidentally contradict Omni, taking major pressure off of them. I don't really suspect the independents, but if they're another anti-town faction, then I wouldn't want to be duped by them. Omni was killed and came back to life though, so I'm not really trying to combat a seemingly invincible faction before hunting Spawn a bit, especially confirmed Independents.

I was about to agree with having Rajam test out his powers on Shadowlink being safest, but then I remembered that in the unlikely instance that the Independents are not on our side, I don't want to lynch him at all, even by accident. The Independents can revive. I'd rather test on Edrees, and if they pounce, they pounce, and we'll know, but still have a confirmed townie to help counteract.

So, in summary

I know I'm town
I know Shadowlink is town
I know Omni is Indy
I know Scamp is Indy
.joel could be playing a strong game leading us in the wrong direction
DMG could have been Spawn from Day 1
Rajam might be Spawn
Ed is fishy, and claimed Spawn Hunter, but hit no spawn.

I wanna know who Ed supposedly targeted last night, before anything else. Based off this obvious list, he either tried to hit me, Dmg, Rajam, or .joel. If he hit me, it would've bounced off.

.joel and DMG! DO NOT confirm if you can vote. I want to see who he claims to have targeted between the two of you. It's obviously not Rajam (pity you already proved you can vote, would have made lying so hard). If he claims me, or no power usage, lynch him for sure.

 

[Pierce7d]

argh, ultra omega ninjaed

Oh well, assuming ED's power does indeed voteblock, he hit DMG. Of course, if he claims he didn't use his power, he's DEFINITELY spawn, because only Mafia would neglect to use a mafia eradicating power.

 

[Rajam]

Chibo was not a spawn for the same reason ShadowLink wasn't day 1: When they died, OS confirmed them as town

ok, I'll vote for SL then:

vote: ShadowLink

Request votecount

If for some reason my lynch vote counts by one, I want you to say me a time period to vote for. I'm 100% sure my time vote counts by two

 

[Red Arremer]

I'm not sure if my protection protects DMG from getting voteblocked, but I don't think so.

 

[Pierce7d]

Eh, I think Prehistoric was the safest time period to check out actually. I wanna see if the Independants HAPPEN to disappear again.

 

[Rajam]

There is also a slight chance Chibo could be revived
When the indies died, it was never told that they could be revived

Well you pick a time period for me. At this point, I'm only uncomfortable with EoT, which I can't choose anyways

 

[Pierce7d]

I'm probably going to push for prehistoric, but there's time left in the day.

 

[Rajam]

What about present? joel can protect two of us there

 

[Pierce7d]

Hmm . . . present is good. Protection is good no matter what. I don't know if anyone can night kill though.

Might be legit actually. Imma think about it.

 

[ShadowLink84]

I dont think there is any reason to go to Prehistoric.
The revival of Masa and Mune as well as myself makes sense.
This is the same for Robo.

I do like the idea of going to present.

 

[Pierce7d]

Eh, the revival of the Indies has a condition that was only claimed by the Indies. Your revival was planned at and mod-confirmed possible.

Considering Omni is a far more experienced player than me, I wouldn't put it past him to know that the best way to make an Anti-Town Indy faction win is by making them seem like a pro-town Indy faction.

However, considering that Shaya was specifically listed as a Mafia Recruiter, it makes everything add up more. I trust the Indies, I just don't trust them 100% to the point where I want to be close to winning and lose because the Indys tricked us all.

Obviously, Ed is STILL the play of the day.

 

[Rajam]

I feel that way too. I'd also like to do what we did at the end of last Day, when we all stated our preferences about what players should do if we lynch Edreeses. Although it's unlikely, we should also be prepared in case Edreeses turns out to be townie.

 

[Omni]

guys, can we talk about destinations later? we've got plenty of time to discuss where we want to go.

And now I remember Chibo said Shaya targeted Pierce night 1, but failed
So, there should be 2
(unless we don't believe in Pierce's ability, but I guess someone else said that targeted Pierce and failed too, so that makes Pierce more likely town.
Why are we looking only ourselves? Couldn't Omni or Scamp be spawns? Shaya could've targeted one of them the night they were revived... the doc wouldn't have protected any of them so it was a safe option for Shaya)

Ah, good point. I forgot about Shaya targeting Pierce night 1. So 2 is probably what we're looking at.

Let's recall yesterday. Players alive (8, so 5 to lynch):
Shaya (Lavos)
Me
Scamp
Adumbrodeus
DMG
Rajam
.joel
Edreeses

If we assume that Lavos recruited 1 player (since Shaya visited Pierce Night 1 and failed his recruit). Let's also assume that Lavos recruited both Scamp and I the Night we were revived. We're looking at...

Shaya (Lavos)
Me
Scamp
Adumbrodeus
DMG
Rajam
.joel
Edreeses

4 scum. 1 indy. 3 town. With 5 to lynch, scum could easily win simply by following any votes that were placed on ANYONE. The Day would end with Lavos doing another recruit and probably forcing a game end. This is if we were scum and you don't believe the next claim.

Both Scamp and I have a passive ability called Eternalthat prevents us from turning into Lavos spawn. This was the ability we were hiding hoping that Lavos would waste a Night trying to recruit one of us.

Also, I've been pushing Shaya VERY hard. There is NO reason for me to push so hard for the mafia recruiter if I could have easily moved to Edreeses or hell... probably would've pushed .joel for his quicklynch at the end of Day 2.

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But guys, seriously, let's get more into the details of what happened yesterday and figure out who possible scum is.

I think we're almost all in agreement that Edreeses is at least one of the spawn. A few things need to be figured out.

1.) Rajam's doublevote. Does it work?
2.) Edreeses supposedly targeted Shaya yesterDay to be voteblocked, but TWO players were voteblocked yesterday (.joel and adumbrodeus). Also, Edreeses ability is supposedly suppose to kill spawn when targeted. Did Edreeses ever tell us who he chose Night's 1-3?

If anything if Edreeses flips town the info on his targets should be confirmed if players were converted at that point in time. I highly doubt that he'll flip town tho'.

I'm kinda' just rambling my thought process at the moment. Does anyone have anything to say about what I've said so far?

 

[Pierce7d]

One very pressing issue is in my mind.

What if spawn appears town on flip? I mean, with a tracker and a cop in the game, I wouldn't be surprised if Lavos had some way to cover his tracks?

 

[Rajam]

I still have a vote around for SL

Request votecount