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I'm pretty sure the ledgedash timing is more a product of the physics of the engine. I'm not sure if it really can be changed, and if it could idk if we really need it changed when it's fine as is.
This is literally what I wanted to write but could not find the words.
F tilt has its uses, but they're really situational. I often use it over f smash when the opponent is at high percents because it is faster and if you tip, it sends them far enough. Also, you can use it as a mix up against floatier characters after throws or for edge guarding when people expect the f smash because (1) it's less punishable and (2) if they expect the f smash and try to position to punish your (f smash) lag, you can often get something off it. But if the PMDT (is that what they're calling themselves now, I can't keep up) wants to give me a better / less situational move, I'm not going to argue.
No, we don't think you don't play Marths regularly in both game. We said you don't play well against Marths, at least in PM. I don't do Melee frame data, but here's PM forward throw. If you can tell me how Marth is moving forwards during or after the throw, I'd love to know, because I don't see it.
I know it's improved, and I was being a little tongue in cheek. It just saddens me a little that Marth's DACUS is one of the longest in the game and yet it's basically useless.
That's true. The release point is shorter; nobody is claiming otherwise. But unless you're just not DI'ing it, Marth can't get a follow-up grab past low %s; it only chains if you just sit there and let it happen lol.
Any positional shift before the f throw is meaningless because the opponent will shift with you. The "catch wait" animation is the animation you are in while holding an opponent. It is 60 frames long, and all frames share the same basic position. There are two images below, the first is a frame of the the "catch wait" animation. As soon as you enter fthrow, you go from the "catch wait" animation to the "ThrowF" animation. The second picture is the first frame of fthrow. Just to be clear, you transition straight from "catch wait" to " ThrowD", there is nothing in between. There is no movement. If you want to be sure, have a look at the position of the front foot on the floor.
IASA, as I said, is at frame 60 in both Melee and PM. No difference at all. You said "aerial interruptible frames", which is not what IASA stands for (Interruptible As Soon As), or indeed what it is. Non aerial moves have IASA frames.
Conjecture is opinion. This is not my opinion. Look at his left arm (the one without the sword). The hitboxes are there in melee and not in PM. That is not conjecture. I agree that in hindsight it wasn't totally relevant, but it was something interesting I felt like pointing out. Can you perhaps address any of the other relevant things I said instead of pointing out one line which was not?
Calm down.
Brawl's engine lets you use specials and airdodges during IASA frames; Melee's does not. You can go a little deeper on rising dj dair as a result, since you can side-b out of IASA and get that slight bit of extra height on your recovery.
This was your original post that you've seemed to get distracted from. It's pretty obvious from the first post that you are unaware of the proper DI and escape mechanisms for this situation; or you're just bitter about it and wanna complain about it. If you were grabbed at 0% and DI'ed toward him you might get an Fsmash to the face, if you DI out and got grabbed for the second throw you realize you can so easily DI out/down and buffer role to safety. DO you even buffer role? - thats the important question; cause it's a pretty important skill to have honestly.
IASA frames, like they've been mentioned are different than auto-cancelling aerials. I've also never heard of IASA frames in reference to aerial moves. Most common example of IASA i know of is stuff like how if you Dtilt as marth or roy and hold shield, the animation where the sword is pulled back will finish before shield goes out, but because of the IASA frames you can input a run>cancelling the stab animation>shield.
You should probably take a chill pill or something, for real (or just get out of the thread). You're getting real short with this guy when you were clearly in the wrong in the way you were portraying your information. I dont really know why you're so mad about it honestly. Also his mention of hitboxes on dair wasn't irrelevant, you're just irritated.
Having trouble understanding the scenario where you just get randomly dair spiked when you're "level with the stage". If he's jumping offstage to get you and you're level stage maybe you should work on recovery mix ups or something, other than that i dont see a situation outside of marth rising Dair out of shield - which doesn't come out instant, so you could stop it before the Dair comes out .
I see, that's pretty interesting. I knew you couldn't air dodge out of IASA in melee, but I didn't know about being unable to use specials. Thanks for clearing that up.
Correct. So given that information, for all intents and purposes the only change to dair in PM is the reduced landing lag. Offstage use wouldn't change at all.
Edge guarding would work the same you'd just have to use it a little earlier is all I suppose. I guess it would be a little harder -shrug-
Is there anything that can be done about that? The gameplay might not be different but it would make figuring out where I need to stand to tip somebody on platforms easier.
well i suppose the real issue is the difference between how it looks visually compared to where it actually hits. i whiff moves all the time that pretty clearly "hit" by eyeballing the game. other characters simply do not have this problem.
if you just came in from melee, its fine. if you've been playing PM for a while and got un-adjusted to melee like i did, its visually misleading. i know many people who have said the same thing.
I've never been so wrong in my life. Limp swords for days.
Apparently I have a lot more practicing to do to get good with Roy and Marth than I thought.... ;-; Time to go learn every move's deadzone.
