Chaingrab Question

[jacobpilawa]

Hey guys,

I was just wondering a few things. First of all, can someone help me with what to follow up when I chaingrab spacies? I can CG alright, but I just can't always get a kill off of it.

Next, this may be dumb, but whatever. Can Marth, in a ditto, chaingrab the other Marth at all? Like, I was just testing it out, and is it possible to get a some % by Fthrow>Dash>Regrab>Fthrow etc? Or are there other chaingrabs in a Marth ditto?

Thanks!

 

[goateeguy]

Beat has a flowchart for the spacies chainthrow somewhere around here. And you can't even get a pivot fsmash out of fthrow on marth at 0% if he DIs correctly. There's no chaingrab on Marth.

 

[1MachGO]

Technically, there is no guaranteed fthrow chaingrab on Marth and it can be escaped with good DI. However, you should still go for fthrows in the ditto; particularly when near the ledge

 

[swanized]

Chaingrabs in marth ditto are not legit.

This chaingrab is not optimal but usually works kinda well and is easy:

0-20 regrab
20-33 pivot regrab
34- roughly 45 uptilt--->regrab (might have to straight up regrab is they fully DI away)
after that upair---> Fsmash

optimal chaingrab by Beat! can be found in the ask Dr Peepee thread

 

[Guzzler Guzzler]

Copy and pasted this from Beats thread

Upthrow CG flowchart against Fox
Read these notes before reading the flowchart:
- All damage numbers in this guide, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are PRE-THROW percentages.
- This flowchart assumes that you have room to work with. If your opponent starts DIing towards an edge you need to be prepared to cut the combo short with a tipper or dair.
- Every follow-up in every step is reactable. There's no need to guess or read which way they'll DI.
- Pummels aren't mandatory, but they make it easier to execute the following move and the extra damage they tack on means the finishing tipper will be stronger.


1. 0 - 16%: Regular regrabs

2. 17 - 32%:
2a. No DI or slight behind DI: Pivot regrabs.
2b. Any other DI: Regular regrabs.

3.0. 33%:
3.0a. No DI: Turnaround uptilt -> regrab
3.0b. Slight behind DI: Uptilt -> regrab
3.0c. Any other DI: Regular regrab -> pummel

3.1. 34% (the reason it's different from 33% is that uptilt starts becoming unreliable against no DI because of its weird "not-upwards" hitboxes. If you actually get the correct hitbox, it'll still connect into a regrab, so if you feel confident that you can get it every time then just follow the chart for 33%):
3.1a. No DI: Rising SHFFL uair --> regrab
3.1b. Slight behind DI: Uptilt --> regrab
3.1c. Any other DI: Regular regrab

3.2. 35 - ~59%:
4a. No DI or slight behind DI: SHFFL uair -> regrab
4b. Any other DI: Regular regrab

5.0. ~60 - ~65%: Pummel at least once before throwing -> delayed SHFFL uair -> regrab (they should now have at least 80%, but less than 90%)

5.1. ~69 - ~75%: Pummel at least once before throwing -> delayed SHFFL uair -> tipper (post-tipper damage should be around 105%)

6.0. ~80 - ~84%: Pummel once or twice before throwing -> delayed SHFFL uair -> tipper (post-tipper damage should be around 110%)

6.1. ~85 - ~87%: Delayed SHFFL uair -> tipper (post-tipper damage should be around 115%)

7. 90+%: Either upthrow -> tipper or upthrow -> weak uair -> tipper