Can Olimar handle Snake and Metaknight??

[lil cj]

Hey wats up Olimar community
This is my first time on the Olimar boards
I use Olimar as a secondary and out of all the characters I use he is the most difficult to use.
I know he has alot of potential and he is top tier
My question is can Olimar handle the other two top tiers Snake and Metaknight?
Who is the best between the three?

All three have different playstyles:
Olimar is defense
Snake is tactics
Metaknight is speed

Alot of people say Olimar may be the best in the game
I hope this is true, Olimar rocks!!!
Im just not good with him yet
Anyone have any advice for a noob Olimar.

 

[Rocann]

he has much trouble with MK, snake not so much

 

[Nokon]

Read the FAQs, watch videos, and play people.

Pressure snake, watch out for his Ftilt. I personally have problems with the dropped Grenade thing >.> watch out for that.

Just remember olly can get gimped, welcome to the olimar forums :]

 

[asob4]

avoid getting gimped and practice staying on stage and getting back and you should be fine

MK is one of oli's worst match ups, along with peach. you need to be very experienced with olimar to beat a smart MK

snake is a little bit easier. oli has advantage.
you can chain grab him once or twice then proceed to combo him to like 80 because of his weight.
i once 0-deathed a good snake player, it was epic

welcome

PS i can be a diick sometimes, don't take it personally

 

[Awex]

Olimar is not top tier, first of all. He's high tier at best due to low priority on some moves and poor recovery. You have to accept the character's flaws before anything else.

Snake is at the very top, but more recently, it's being debated that Metaknight could be.

To answer your question.. Yes, Olimar can handle Snake. But sadly, not Metaknight very well.

Advice for a noob Olimar is.. Watch Mr X play very closely. You'll definitely pick up some things.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=getyourtournament&search_query=mr+x&search=Search

At least, that's all I can help with when you don't post any specific areas you need help on. ;p

 

[lil cj]

Thanks everyone for the advice

 

[DanGR]

It's a triangle effect among Snake, Olimar, and MK. Snake>MK>Olimar>Snake. I think MK is the best character in the game, but tourney results disagree with me.

 

[asob4]

It's a triangle effect among Snake, Olimar, and MK. Snake>MK>Olimar>Snake. I think MK is the best character in the game, but tourney results disagree with me.

i never thought about it like that O_O you've opened my eyes

MK is the best, snake actually has faults :/

 

[lil cj]

Does Metaknight have any flaws?
Is there anyway to beat a pro Metaknight??

 

[DanGR]

Umm, I doubt it's possible to beat M2K or Cort with Olimar. It can't be done. If you think about it, MK doesn't have any flaws. Good damage, racking, speed, quickness, range, uber priority,(priority over life) no bad moves, awesome recovery, easy gimping, and his ftilt>turtle!!! Nothing bad.

 

[asob4]

and his ftilt>turtle!!!

wait wat???

his only problem is lightweight, but that really isn't a problem

 

[DanGR]

Oh, lol, you use GaW eh? The first swipe of MK's ftilt>Turtle. It has more range. They don't clank. Try it out. It's not well known though.

 

[asob4]

well it better stay unknown or else >:[

see, MK gets gayer by the second

 

[geekd]

My roomate mained and unbelievably good metaknight and always ***** my TL (who I used to main). I turned to olimar and although I had nothing on him at first, slowly I started to beat him consistently. After playing this matchup against a talented opponent over and over hundreds of times, it got to the point where I could almost 3stock him every time. He got so frustrated that had to switch his main to g&w (who is ironically even easier to beat with oli).


The moral of the story: I honestly think this matchup is winnable, although it takes tons of practice and you have to learn to significantly alter your playstyle. I have a lot of experience with it so here it goes:

Thrown purples have a similar effect on mk as marth.

UB or nair his tornado (If caught, olimar has zero hope of escape if the mk DIs up)

STAY AWAY FROM THE LEDGE, and don't even think about edgehogging or ledgegames.

His glideattack is ridiculous and flows easily into dsmash or neutral a-ftilt
This can be dealt with by reverse SHing at the last second then DIing back into him after the glide attack with a fair. You can also try to slip under him with a dashing usmash or ub him in da face.

Reverse sh also avoids both his dashattack and dashgrab, in which case you can DI back into him with a fair. If this becomes predictable then he will simply wait for it and then fair you instead so mindgame a bit.

Fsmash will stop any ground approach in its tracks. If he goes airborne then he will most likely use his dair (hate that move) or else fair. in either case shield and try to punish in the tiny moments of postmove lag.

MKs death combo on olimar is his dash attack-fair-ub-edgehog (if you frequently shield then he can just as easily dashgrab-dthrow instead of dashattack). Once you learn to anticipate it his ub it is a really simple airdodge; If he is facing you when he does it then you can sometimes ff back to the ledge before him for an easy gimp, or else go for the spike; a good mk will simply turn to face the stage before he ub's at ya, this is more or less unpunishable, although as a kill move it is easily dodged. LEARN THE TIMING

Play more grounded than in the air.

His fair will **** your fair so use it sparingly

Your uair will tear him up when he is above you

He can also jump out of any dthrow combos so instead of using fair you gotta combo up (usmash uair ub). Fsmash usually works after dthrow, especially with whites, when he is at extremely low percents (<12%)

I don't really know why, but spotdodging never really seemed to work against mk. I think his moves are just too quick in succession. Shielding worked much better for me.

All in all, remember that mk will never be comboed to death--not by olimar at least. So the only way to kill him is the old fashion way. Get him to high damage and save either an usmash or dsmash for the kill.

This is a lot of information; hopefully you find some of it helpful
Best of luck

 

[asob4]

if you watch mr x vs. c0nnor you'll see how effective and frustrating retreating tosses can be against MK

 

[Awex]

If MK is just running away and using dash attack/dashgrabs to approach.. Jab.

Just jab over and over.

So funny.

 

[asob4]

the head bob is too good for MK to handle

 

[Olimarman]

Olimar can be considered a good counterpick for a snake. Your fsmash has priority over his mortar, so just space well, take advantage of him when hes at 0% and it should be a fun match. Mk, on the other hand, is a pain in the ***. Stay grounded and avoid his spamnados, dsmash and dair. Really though, its difficult to beat experienced Mks, so its another fun match. :-)

 

[lil cj]

My roomate mained and unbelievably good metaknight and always ***** my TL (who I used to main). I turned to olimar and although I had nothing on him at first, slowly I started to beat him consistently. After playing this matchup against a talented opponent over and over hundreds of times, it got to the point where I could almost 3stock him every time. He got so frustrated that had to switch his main to g&w (who is ironically even easier to beat with oli).


The moral of the story: I honestly think this matchup is winnable, although it takes tons of practice and you have to learn to significantly alter your playstyle. I have a lot of experience with it so here it goes:

Thrown purples have a similar effect on mk as marth.

UB or nair his tornado (If caught, olimar has zero hope of escape if the mk DIs up)

STAY AWAY FROM THE LEDGE, and don't even think about edgehogging or ledgegames.

His glideattack is ridiculous and flows easily into dsmash or neutral a-ftilt
This can be dealt with by reverse SHing at the last second then DIing back into him after the glide attack with a fair. You can also try to slip under him with a dashing usmash or ub him in da face.

Reverse sh also avoids both his dashattack and dashgrab, in which case you can DI back into him with a fair. If this becomes predictable then he will simply wait for it and then fair you instead so mindgame a bit.

Fsmash will stop any ground approach in its tracks. If he goes airborne then he will most likely use his dair (hate that move) or else fair. in either case shield and try to punish in the tiny moments of postmove lag.

MKs death combo on olimar is his dash attack-fair-ub-edgehog (if you frequently shield then he can just as easily dashgrab-dthrow instead of dashattack). Once you learn to anticipate it his ub it is a really simple airdodge; If he is facing you when he does it then you can sometimes ff back to the ledge before him for an easy gimp, or else go for the spike; a good mk will simply turn to face the stage before he ub's at ya, this is more or less unpunishable, although as a kill move it is easily dodged. LEARN THE TIMING

Play more grounded than in the air.

His fair will **** your fair so use it sparingly

Your uair will tear him up when he is above you

He can also jump out of any dthrow combos so instead of using fair you gotta combo up (usmash uair ub). Fsmash usually works after dthrow, especially with whites, when he is at extremely low percents (<12%)

I don't really know why, but spotdodging never really seemed to work against mk. I think his moves are just too quick in succession. Shielding worked much better for me.

All in all, remember that mk will never be comboed to death--not by olimar at least. So the only way to kill him is the old fashion way. Get him to high damage and save either an usmash or dsmash for the kill.

This is a lot of information; hopefully you find some of it helpful
Best of luck

Thanks for all the info
This really helped me out
Thanks

 

[IcyLight]

Umm, I doubt it's possible to beat M2K or Cort with Olimar. .

i'll have to highly agree with statement. cort is my downfall almost every time o.O

 

[Hai Im Fearless]

Here in FL I can beat every one of our best metaknights. I actually **** them.. I enjoy playing against metaknight.

I can also beat all of our snakes except for one... who happens to be the best in our state... Afro Thundah.

Against metaknight :

When he tornado's shield the whole thing and punish with upsmash. If he retreats, punish with grab... it's really that easy. When you get to about 60 (good metaknight) or 80 (bad metaknight) percent, they tend to do literally nothing but downsmash. So guess what you do. Sit in your shield. Literally. It'll stop dsmash until it's a tiny tiny little bubble. If they grab you... so what? It's brawl. Nothing happens when you get grabbed. Just shield grab or Shield downsmash shield upsmash punish their downsmashes. Once you're ahead of stocks against metaknight (which you should be) you should not lose. Oh, and don't get gimped. STAY AWAY FROM THE LEDGES. Another thing : against shuttle loop cancel just shield the whole thing. Usually metaknights will shuttleloop to downsmash. When they realize that all you have to do is shield the whole thing than then punish, they will start shuttle loop to grabbing. When they fall into this pattern, spot dodge and punish. It's all a simple formula, really.

Me vs. florida's best metaknight
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DBMiGKC7qDM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W3266DvGqVs

Keep in mind that they are friendlies. Don't run off the stage and attempt to spike metaknight regularly.
I've also gotten much better since then. I used to have a mindset problem. (when these matches took place I wasn't placing very well).

Oh and one more thing

TILT UP YOUR SHIELD VS TORNADO.

Vs. snake idk..... I just side B a lot. There's a lot for me to learn about that matchup.


ONE MORE THING WHOEVER SAID M2K OR CORT IS UNDEFEATABLE >.<

In a friendly match with m2k, he only beat me by 1 stock and 70%.. And I was ****ing around so I had a 20% death in my second stock. They are both -very- defeatable. In brawl anyway :D.

 

[Hai Im Fearless]

Also, watch at 8:00 in that first video

and Olimar is NOT GOOD VS SNAKE STOP SAYING THIS YOU GUYS MUST HAVE SOME TERRIBLE SNAKES

It's 50\50 at best.

I keep forgetting things but : Pivot grab works WONDERS against metaknight.

 

[lil cj]

Here in FL I can beat every one of our best metaknights. I actually **** them.. I enjoy playing against metaknight.

I can also beat all of our snakes except for one... who happens to be the best in our state... Afro Thundah.

Against metaknight :

When he tornado's shield the whole thing and punish with upsmash. If he retreats, punish with grab... it's really that easy. When you get to about 60 (good metaknight) or 80 (bad metaknight) percent, they tend to do literally nothing but downsmash. So guess what you do. Sit in your shield. Literally. It'll stop dsmash until it's a tiny tiny little bubble. If they grab you... so what? It's brawl. Nothing happens when you get grabbed. Just shield grab or Shield downsmash shield upsmash punish their downsmashes. Once you're ahead of stocks against metaknight (which you should be) you should not lose. Oh, and don't get gimped. STAY AWAY FROM THE LEDGES. Another thing : against shuttle loop cancel just shield the whole thing. Usually metaknights will shuttleloop to downsmash. When they realize that all you have to do is shield the whole thing than then punish, they will start shuttle loop to grabbing. When they fall into this pattern, spot dodge and punish. It's all a simple formula, really.

Me vs. florida's best metaknight
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DBMiGKC7qDM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=W3266DvGqVs

Keep in mind that they are friendlies. Don't run off the stage and attempt to spike metaknight regularly.
I've also gotten much better since then. I used to have a mindset problem. (when these matches took place I wasn't placing very well).

Oh and one more thing

TILT UP YOUR SHIELD VS TORNADO.

Vs. snake idk..... I just side B a lot. There's a lot for me to learn about that matchup.


ONE MORE THING WHOEVER SAID M2K OR CORT IS UNDEFEATABLE >.<

In a friendly match with m2k, he only beat me by 1 stock and 70%.. And I was ****ing around so I had a 20% death in my second stock. They are both -very- defeatable. In brawl anyway :D.

Your good with Olimar
One of the best Ive seen
Ive learned so much from watching yours vids
If u can beat a Metknight, dats amazing!!!
As for Snake, it seems like Olimar shouldnt have any problems
b/c Snake is heavy and Olimar is much faster.
Olimar can jus grab him alot and out range him.

 

[asob4]

Also, watch at 8:00 in that first video

and Olimar is NOT GOOD VS SNAKE STOP SAYING THIS YOU GUYS MUST HAVE SOME TERRIBLE SNAKES

It's 50\50 at best.

I keep forgetting things but : Pivot grab works WONDERS against metaknight.

actually i've played some great snakes
managed to beat them consistently or lose to a gimp T_T

 

[OlimarFan]

Olimar is not top tier, first of all. He's high tier at best due to low priority on some moves and poor recovery. You have to accept the character's flaws before anything else.

Snake is at the very top, but more recently, it's being debated that Metaknight could be.

To answer your question.. Yes, Olimar can handle Snake. But sadly, not Metaknight very well.

Advice for a noob Olimar is.. Watch Mr X play very closely. You'll definitely pick up some things.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=getyourtournament&search_query=mr+x&search=Search

At least, that's all I can help with when you don't post any specific areas you need help on. ;p

Yep, Awez is right. This is Mr. X defeating one of the best snakes ever....PsychoMidget.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iyIBcGpNA

You see? Even though Snake may give Olimar trouble, a good Olimar player who knows his stuff will prevail.

 

[asob4]

did you just call psychomidget one of the best snakes ever????

DSF is the best west coast snake, followed only by lite i would think

psychomidget prefers melee so he doesn't even play brawl anymore

 

[Awex]

Fearless: You have a pretty good Olimar, and a very well-put anti-Mk strategy. Good stuff.

But Olimar does have a decent Snake matchup. I'd say 60/40 Olimar.

 

[lil cj]

I forgot about one other top tier character....Mr. Game&Watch
Does Olimar have trouble with him?
I have fought some real good G&W's he is deadly

 

[OlimarFan]

did you just call psychomidget one of the best snakes ever????

DSF is the best west coast snake, followed only by lite i would think

psychomidget prefers melee so he doesn't even play brawl anymore

Have you watched this vid? Look at that. Psycho ****** takes on DSF (as Snake) and his doubles partner DC...and wins. DSF plays a great Snake, but he's second to Psycho ******.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0q3vBeRw0w

 

[A2ZOMG]

Does Metaknight have any flaws?
Is there anyway to beat a pro Metaknight??

MK is countered by Snake and G&W.

 

[DanGR]

I forgot about one other top tier character....Mr. Game&Watch
Does Olimar have trouble with him?
I have fought some real good G&W's he is deadly

Personally, I think it's even. Olimar can shieldgrab the turtle (his main approach), throw him far (b/c Olimar has strong throws) enough to recharge the shield, while playing defensive. (also recharging the shield) Olimar has insanely low kill % on GaW, but he does as well. >_> There isn't anything to put it into the other's favor.

 

[geekd]

haha thats who my roomate switched to... I think this is an easier matchup than mk or snake. Sorry dangr, but you can't shieldgrab the turtle if it is spaced well (tipped) and DIed back at the end. His nair will also **** you if your above him. His dair will out-prioritize your usmash too, although your uair will out-prioritize his dair. Pikmin toss works well as he has only a few moves to know em off, all of which have at least a bit of punishable lag. Overall I don't think this match is too tough, just get some practice cuz GW has some strange hitboxes and dynamite recovery.

 

[DanGR]

If you don't stand still, you can shieldgrab it. You can run>shield to throw off perfect spacing. It isn't very hard. If he falls back b/c he doesn't want get shieldgrabbed, you can fsmash his landing.

 

[geekd]

Brilliant!

 

[Hai Im Fearless]

xYz, who is our best game and watch and considered second best in our state, is easily beaten by me. I 2-0'd him at fast. Punish. The. Key. End of story. Once they realize that it's easily punishable, they'll stop spamming it. Once they stop spamming it they'll probably do nothing but turtle which can be shield grabbed. Once you start punishing that, they'll panic and have no more options.

This is, of course, against a g+w that adapts. If they do nothing but turtle \ key you should have no problems.

edit : up air outprioritizes all of g+w's arials, too.

 

[IcyLight]

G&W is a real tough matchup for Olimar. I'm stuck facing Omega Black Mage (OBM) nearly all the tournaments i've been to. He seems to go even with cort and PC, haven't seen him face any top players like M2K or anything yet. But G&W is a ***** and very hard to beat. No CP stages against him because he's good on all of them!

EDIT: Although i've realized G&W is either a crazy player and counters olimar, or is he a random G&W player who can use him but not crazy and olimar *****. So this matchup can go both ways, but I believe that in a top oli vs. top gw match G&W has the upper hand--65/35

 

[Olimarman]

G&W is a real tough matchup for Olimar. I'm stuck facing Omega Black Mage (OBM) nearly all the tournaments i've been to. He seems to go even with cort and PC, haven't seen him face any top players like M2K or anything yet. But G&W is a ***** and very hard to beat. No CP stages against him because he's good on all of them!

EDIT: Although i've realized G&W is either a crazy player and counters olimar, or is he a random G&W player who can use him but not crazy and olimar *****. So this matchup can go both ways, but I believe that in a top oli vs. top gw match G&W has the upper hand--65/35

Though a close match, I really think Olimar has the upper edge. Though powerful, G&w has short range, so you can take advantage of your long range. Punish G&W and this match shouldn't be horrible, and space yourself properly.

 

[Puddin]

xYz, who is our best game and watch and considered second best in our state, is easily beaten by me. I 2-0'd him at fast. Punish. The. Key. End of story. Once they realize that it's easily punishable, they'll stop spamming it..

I think they already know how punishable the Key is, I fight a good G&W and he rarely ever spams/uses the Key. In fact his game consists of an extremely predictable Bair/Fair approach...

But the topic is Snake and Metaknight =\ Snake has Pikmin wedged up his tight burly *** and Pikmin get their heads cut off by Metaknights sword, it's sort of like rock, paper, scissors like DanGR mentioned.

 

[crownvick]

hey liitle c i just read your thread ur just like me i use olimar as a second character. My oli usually rapres metaknights but looses to snakes. Hey I just got my wii back so you wanna do some late night brawling

 

[lil cj]

hey liitle c i just read your thread ur just like me i use olimar as a second character. My oli usually rapres metaknights but looses to snakes. Hey I just got my wii back so you wanna do some late night brawling

Sure sounds good
Sorry it took so long to respond, my computer was acting up
Wats your brawl code?
Looking forward to battling
Heres my brawl code: 0001-2981-8851