Gerbil
Smash Champion
WARNING: BIG *** THREAD!!!
Hey guys. Wes and I were on AIM and he told me tons of crap about his experiences playing Brawl. Since it's a ton of information, I decided to copy/paste the convo (edited to make it shorter of course lol).
Proof that Brawl will be good first:
Azen Zagenite: yea i have brawl
Cross the Walls: what do you think?
Azen Zagenite: i like it a lot
Cross the Walls (6:53:31 PM): Azen Zagenite: i'm glad its completely different than melee
Azen Zagenite: like a fresh new beginning
Azen Zagenite: lollz
Cross the Walls (6:53:34 PM): ^proof game is good
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Cross the Walls (6:08:24 PM): im playing brawl!
GerbilMortar (6:08:29 PM): wut
GerbilMortar (6:08:32 PM): ****
GerbilMortar (6:08:57 PM): you're a lucky *******
GerbilMortar (6:09:06 PM): *goes to Tech to play with newbs that pirated brawl*
Cross the Walls (6:09:06 PM): i play luigi!
GerbilMortar (6:09:09 PM): O.o
GerbilMortar (6:09:18 PM): lies
GerbilMortar (6:09:21 PM): o.O
Cross the Walls (6:09:29 PM): nah dood
Cross the Walls (6:09:37 PM): im gonna put out luigi vids this weekend
Cross the Walls (6:09:39 PM): prolly tomorrow
GerbilMortar (6:09:43 PM): ****ing sweet
GerbilMortar (6:09:46 PM): just answer me this though
GerbilMortar (6:09:48 PM): do you like it?
Cross the Walls (6:09:59 PM): its probably better than melee
Cross the Walls (6:10:00 PM): i love it
GerbilMortar (6:10:08 PM): I'm so quoting you on that LOL
GerbilMortar (6:10:25 PM): I know it's early, but could you see it being competitive?
GerbilMortar (6:10:34 PM): even if we had to tweak things?
Cross the Walls (6:10:46 PM): it wont take tweaking
Cross the Walls (6:10:49 PM): people are just pissed
Cross the Walls (6:10:54 PM): because they are trying to play it like melee
GerbilMortar (6:10:55 PM): so you find it good as is?
Cross the Walls (6:10:55 PM): its not melee
GerbilMortar (6:10:59 PM): word XD
Cross the Walls (6:11:01 PM): the objective is not the same
Cross the Walls (6:11:05 PM): you dont kill the same
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Cross the Walls (6:11:11 PM): gotta ****
GerbilMortar (6:11:13 PM): LOL
Cross the Walls (6:11:14 PM): then i'll tell you everything i know
GerbilMortar (6:11:18 PM): alright badass
Cross the Walls (6:13:17 PM): ok im back
Cross the Walls (6:13:19 PM): i powershirt
Cross the Walls (6:13:20 PM): *****
GerbilMortar (6:13:26 PM): XDDDDDD
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Cross the Walls (6:13:39 PM): anyway
Cross the Walls (6:13:40 PM): brawl is insane
Cross the Walls (6:13:48 PM): there is so much no one is touching on
Cross the Walls (6:13:57 PM): everyone is just trying to make it melee 2
GerbilMortar (6:14:11 PM): how is the midair parry system, and also footstool stomping????
GerbilMortar (6:14:21 PM): I have yet to see any vids utilizing all of the new stuff
Cross the Walls (6:14:26 PM): ok
Cross the Walls (6:14:39 PM): midair parry system, we're still trying to figure it out
Cross the Walls (6:14:43 PM): too early to say anything
Cross the Walls (6:14:51 PM): footstool stomping is pointless for now
Cross the Walls (6:14:54 PM): your opponent basically
Cross the Walls (6:14:57 PM): has to be standing still
Cross the Walls (6:15:01 PM): ive done it once
Cross the Walls (6:15:07 PM): and like, all that happened
Cross the Walls (6:15:11 PM): was ed was stunned for a second
Cross the Walls (6:15:19 PM): while i jumped megahigh in the air
Cross the Walls (6:15:22 PM): but like
Cross the Walls (6:15:24 PM): no point
Cross the Walls (6:15:28 PM): cause i was too far away to hit him
Cross the Walls (6:15:35 PM): in fact it kinda gave him the advantage
GerbilMortar (6:16:04 PM): so is it possible in midair?
Cross the Walls (6:16:10 PM): ok
Cross the Walls (6:16:16 PM): to answer that, it gets more complicated
Cross the Walls (6:16:17 PM): you'll find
Cross the Walls (6:16:25 PM): that most characters can easily make it back to the ledge
Cross the Walls (6:16:32 PM): from anything that doesnt kill them directly
Cross the Walls (6:17:06 PM): so
Cross the Walls (6:17:10 PM): that being the case
Cross the Walls (6:17:16 PM): "edgegaurding"
Cross the Walls (6:17:19 PM): is kinda pointless for now
Cross the Walls (6:17:22 PM): you wont hit them
Cross the Walls (6:17:25 PM): the autosweetspot
Cross the Walls (6:17:31 PM): combined with characters jumps and glides
Cross the Walls (6:17:34 PM): make it stupid
Cross the Walls (6:17:39 PM): so either
Cross the Walls (6:17:44 PM): you kill them off the tops
Cross the Walls (6:17:53 PM): and this is where it gets cool
Cross the Walls (6:17:56 PM): a lot of combos in the air
Cross the Walls (6:18:02 PM): can lead to moves that send upward on the ground
Cross the Walls (6:18:05 PM): if that makes sense
GerbilMortar (6:18:17 PM): things like usmashes or utlits on the ground?
Cross the Walls (6:18:24 PM): well like
Cross the Walls (6:18:29 PM): ive been playing primarily with luigi
Cross the Walls (6:18:30 PM): oh and btw
Cross the Walls (6:18:36 PM): anyone who says there arent combos
Cross the Walls (6:18:38 PM): is dumb
Cross the Walls (6:18:46 PM): they're simply trying to press buttons too fast
Cross the Walls (6:18:51 PM): so with luigi
Cross the Walls (6:18:54 PM): you can downthrow
Cross the Walls (6:18:55 PM): up tilt
Cross the Walls (6:18:58 PM): up air
Cross the Walls (6:18:59 PM): up air
Cross the Walls (6:19:03 PM): run, up smash
GerbilMortar (6:19:09 PM): o.o
Cross the Walls (6:19:19 PM): oh
Cross the Walls (6:19:21 PM): so
Cross the Walls (6:19:22 PM): basically
Cross the Walls (6:19:24 PM): the point of the game
Cross the Walls (6:19:43 PM): besides the obvious of hitting them so hard that they die from the direct hits
Cross the Walls (6:19:50 PM): is hitting people while they are coming back
GerbilMortar (6:19:55 PM): air interception
Cross the Walls (6:20:03 PM): think like dragon ball z
Cross the Walls (6:20:08 PM): like, because you are both so floaty
Cross the Walls (6:20:10 PM): and can make it back
Cross the Walls (6:20:14 PM): you hit someone off
Cross the Walls (6:20:18 PM): then go make sure they cant get back
Cross the Walls (6:20:24 PM): but its wayyyyy deeper than melee
GerbilMortar (6:20:26 PM): yesh, *so called it*
Cross the Walls (6:20:35 PM): where you stand on the ledge
Cross the Walls (6:20:41 PM): and f-smash with marth
Cross the Walls (6:20:44 PM): and thats a ledgegaurd
Cross the Walls (6:20:50 PM): now your *** has to work for you kills
GerbilMortar (6:20:54 PM): LMAO
Cross the Walls (6:20:56 PM): and you can like, do combos as you go down
GerbilMortar (6:21:03 PM): man
Cross the Walls (6:21:08 PM): plus
Cross the Walls (6:21:12 PM): oh
Cross the Walls (6:21:16 PM): modding your controller is a must
GerbilMortar (6:21:20 PM): ?
Cross the Walls (6:21:20 PM): we'll be doing ours by next week
Cross the Walls (6:21:31 PM): you're going to have to take out the spring so you can shield just by tapping
GerbilMortar (6:21:31 PM): modding in what way?
GerbilMortar (6:21:35 PM): ahhhh
Cross the Walls (6:21:37 PM): the game doesnt register the R trigger
Cross the Walls (6:21:43 PM): until it is literally alllll the way down
GerbilMortar (6:21:49 PM): you have to press all the way down for a shield
Cross the Walls (6:21:49 PM): farther than you've ever pressed it lol
Cross the Walls (6:21:59 PM): yeah, but once that is done, that will be fine
Cross the Walls (6:22:23 PM): some people were saying the game felt clicky and unorganized
Cross the Walls (6:22:25 PM): like
Cross the Walls (6:22:36 PM): "you have to press down all the way to fall through a platform"
Cross the Walls (6:22:45 PM): thats bull****, its just as sensitive
Cross the Walls (6:22:48 PM): the only thing
Cross the Walls (6:22:51 PM): thats different
Cross the Walls (6:23:07 PM): is you can fall backwards or down from the ledge until about half of your invincibilty is gone from landing on it
Cross the Walls (6:23:15 PM): and that seemingly depends on the character
Cross the Walls (6:23:24 PM): but i'll need more time with the game to figure it out
GerbilMortar (6:23:44 PM): see
GerbilMortar (6:23:56 PM): I tried to explain the air guarding style to people
GerbilMortar (6:24:02 PM): and it basically got tossed lol
Cross the Walls (6:25:18 PM): the amount of ignorance i see on the boards is rediculous
Cross the Walls (6:25:23 PM): what i really dont understand
Cross the Walls (6:25:25 PM): is people going
Cross the Walls (6:25:28 PM): "this game is ****"
Cross the Walls (6:25:31 PM): when they haven't played it?
Cross the Walls (6:25:38 PM): or "look how slow it is"
Cross the Walls (6:25:45 PM): when its the 7th day the game has been playable
Cross the Walls (6:25:49 PM): i'll tell you something
Cross the Walls (6:25:52 PM): peach is faster in this game
Cross the Walls (6:25:57 PM): luigi is faster in this game
Cross the Walls (6:26:05 PM): oh, another thing
Cross the Walls (6:26:16 PM): they've made small changes to nearly every character
Cross the Walls (6:26:22 PM): that give them a distinct character identity
Cross the Walls (6:26:32 PM): like, characters are wayyy different in this game
Cross the Walls (6:26:35 PM): you know how in like
Cross the Walls (6:26:37 PM): melee
Cross the Walls (6:26:39 PM): if i really wanted to
Cross the Walls (6:26:44 PM): i could play doctor mario
GerbilMortar (6:26:47 PM): right
Cross the Walls (6:26:47 PM): exactly like captain
Cross the Walls (6:26:50 PM): and get away with it?
GerbilMortar (6:27:01 PM): yes, I've seen people do that actually with dif chars
Cross the Walls (6:27:08 PM): yeah, you cant do it in this game
Cross the Walls (6:27:09 PM): not at all
GerbilMortar (6:27:14 PM): *plays Fox and Pichu the same*
GerbilMortar (6:27:21 PM): so every char is unique in play style??
Cross the Walls (6:27:24 PM): very
Cross the Walls (6:27:31 PM): like, a few may be similar
Cross the Walls (6:27:32 PM): but
Cross the Walls (6:27:34 PM): as a whole
GerbilMortar (6:27:37 PM): thus anihilating any *****ing of "clones"
Cross the Walls (6:27:47 PM): its about 20x the difference in melee
Cross the Walls (6:27:52 PM): oh yeah, falco is ****ing weird looool
Cross the Walls (6:28:07 PM): you can still double laser up from the ledge
Cross the Walls (6:28:27 PM): wario is by far the weirdest moving character in either of the games
GerbilMortar (6:28:34 PM): how so?
Cross the Walls (6:28:36 PM): but its not a bad thing
Cross the Walls (6:28:40 PM): i cant really describe it
Cross the Walls (6:28:47 PM): he sort of
Cross the Walls (6:28:52 PM): swings his weight with everything he does
Cross the Walls (6:28:58 PM): he's very like, realistic in a way
Cross the Walls (6:29:15 PM): but really
Cross the Walls (6:29:17 PM): in brawl
Cross the Walls (6:29:25 PM): like i was saying
Cross the Walls (6:29:25 PM): you know how in melee
Cross the Walls (6:29:27 PM): there was **** that people figured out
Cross the Walls (6:29:33 PM): and it applied to all the characters
GerbilMortar (6:29:36 PM): right
Cross the Walls (6:29:42 PM): i.e. l cancelling, wavedashing
Cross the Walls (6:29:43 PM): **** like that
Cross the Walls (6:29:46 PM): this game isn't going to be like
Cross the Walls (6:29:55 PM): they've put soooo much effort into making the characters deep
Cross the Walls (6:30:00 PM): so therefore there is no reason for that
Cross the Walls (6:30:08 PM): and seeing as how most of the characters look playable
Cross the Walls (6:30:15 PM): there will be much more diversity in tournaments
GerbilMortar (6:30:25 PM): so then, i.e. we could somewhat say that each character could potentially have their own unique sets of things we can do with them llol
Cross the Walls (6:30:37 PM): you will literally HAVE TO know how to beat an olimar or a dedede or a fox or w/e if you want to beat them
Cross the Walls (6:30:46 PM): yes, exactly
Cross the Walls (6:30:51 PM): and visa versa
Cross the Walls (6:30:51 PM): like i said
Cross the Walls (6:30:57 PM): you have to know how to fight them
Cross the Walls (6:30:58 PM): its not like
Cross the Walls (6:30:59 PM): ok
Cross the Walls (6:31:01 PM): example
Cross the Walls (6:31:15 PM): id say the 4 biggest characters
Cross the Walls (6:31:19 PM): that fight everyone the same in melee
Cross the Walls (6:31:24 PM): are sheik marth fox falco
Cross the Walls (6:31:28 PM): thats why they are top tier
GerbilMortar (6:31:34 PM): cause it's always the same thing
Cross the Walls (6:31:35 PM): their adaptations are limited for each character
GerbilMortar (6:31:38 PM): or generally anyways
Cross the Walls (6:31:40 PM): right, marths literally
Cross the Walls (6:31:45 PM): do the same thing
Cross the Walls (6:31:45 PM): to everyone
Cross the Walls (6:31:48 PM): that wont happen in this game
Cross the Walls (6:31:58 PM): there will be specific fights for each character
GerbilMortar (6:32:11 PM): man you're making me cream myself over this info
GerbilMortar (6:32:13 PM): XD
Cross the Walls (6:32:15 PM): poke trainer
Cross the Walls (6:32:17 PM): is 3 characters
Cross the Walls (6:32:19 PM): end of story
Cross the Walls (6:32:34 PM): the pokemon have nothing to do with each other
Cross the Walls (6:32:42 PM): therefore, they are 3 different characters
GerbilMortar (6:32:48 PM): oh! how about that stamina thing?
GerbilMortar (6:32:53 PM): how does that work?
Cross the Walls (6:32:55 PM): ok
Cross the Walls (6:33:00 PM): what me and ed figure
Cross the Walls (6:33:09 PM): is that
Cross the Walls (6:33:17 PM): 1. we're dont have "an eye" for the game yet
Cross the Walls (6:33:23 PM): so its hard to see whats getting less powerful
Cross the Walls (6:33:27 PM): or if you're getting slower
Cross the Walls (6:33:35 PM): it will take a few weeks/months to see
Cross the Walls (6:33:40 PM): and some statistics would be usefull
Cross the Walls (6:33:42 PM): BUT
Cross the Walls (6:33:45 PM): its not blatantly obvious
Cross the Walls (6:33:53 PM): like, ed plays entire matches with nothing but ivy
Cross the Walls (6:34:09 PM): and his attacks seemingly do not diminish in speed or hitpower faster than everyone elses
Cross the Walls (6:34:20 PM): now, it may be true that they do, and it may be an important factor later
Cross the Walls (6:34:26 PM): but as for now, its too hard to see if its there
Cross the Walls (6:34:30 PM): 2.
GerbilMortar (6:34:31 PM): ok cool
Cross the Walls (6:34:54 PM): i think that the designers put that in (if it even is effective) for people who will be playing much slower than us
Cross the Walls (6:35:21 PM): therefore, even if it does exist, competitive play will likely bring the death/stamina ratio so low that it wont matter
Cross the Walls (6:35:25 PM): simply because of speed of characters
Cross the Walls (6:35:28 PM): and fights
Cross the Walls (6:35:32 PM): progressing
GerbilMortar (6:35:51 PM): 1 quick thing
GerbilMortar (6:35:57 PM): do you mind I copy/paste this convo into a thread?
GerbilMortar (6:35:59 PM): lol
Cross the Walls (6:36:08 PM): not at all
GerbilMortar (6:36:17 PM): it's alot to repeat to people who care lol
Cross the Walls (6:42:13 PM): its funny
Cross the Walls (6:42:21 PM): because everyone is flipping **** about certain characters
Cross the Walls (6:42:26 PM): and i see loads of potential in others
Cross the Walls (6:42:32 PM): it may just be my playstyle
Cross the Walls (6:42:34 PM): but to me right now
Cross the Walls (6:42:38 PM): luigi is the best character
Cross the Walls (6:42:40 PM): like
Cross the Walls (6:42:42 PM): that i have unlocked
Cross the Walls (6:42:46 PM): i still have 11 characters to unlock
Cross the Walls (6:42:51 PM): as i dont give a **** about single player
Cross the Walls (6:42:59 PM): or the subspace star wars bull****
Cross the Walls (6:43:08 PM): anyway
Cross the Walls (6:43:24 PM): but as for now
Cross the Walls (6:43:34 PM): like with the whole "every character is unique" thing
Cross the Walls (6:43:41 PM): we've already been figuring things out
Cross the Walls (6:43:48 PM): like, people are looking for combos the wrong way
Cross the Walls (6:43:52 PM): they need to be loads more creative
Cross the Walls (6:44:01 PM): btw, so far i've found mario can no longer rise with the tornado
GerbilMortar (6:44:10 PM): seriously??
Cross the Walls (6:44:11 PM): and some of this may be repetitive to you
GerbilMortar (6:44:22 PM): you've told me tons of new info actually
Cross the Walls (6:44:27 PM): ok
Cross the Walls (6:44:30 PM): on to luigi
Cross the Walls (6:44:34 PM): btw marios tornado blows lol
Cross the Walls (6:44:40 PM): ok, luigi's though
Cross the Walls (6:44:44 PM): is AMAZING
Cross the Walls (6:44:47 PM): here's the thing
Cross the Walls (6:44:52 PM): you can go soooo far
Cross the Walls (6:44:57 PM): and the end animation
Cross the Walls (6:45:01 PM): is sooo much faster than melee
Cross the Walls (6:45:05 PM): so it has loads of using
Cross the Walls (6:45:07 PM): which i'll get to in a second
Cross the Walls (6:45:11 PM): but, firstly
Cross the Walls (6:45:19 PM): it should be noted
Cross the Walls (6:45:22 PM): that unlike melee
Cross the Walls (6:45:28 PM): you can start rising in it AT ANY POINT
Cross the Walls (6:45:36 PM): which is sooooooooooo unique
Cross the Walls (6:45:43 PM): so, take this for example
Cross the Walls (6:45:47 PM): so ed is ivy saur
GerbilMortar (6:45:53 PM): k
Cross the Walls (6:46:02 PM): and i start my tornado and move it at him from across the stage
Cross the Walls (6:46:04 PM): i get to him
Cross the Walls (6:46:06 PM): he shields
Cross the Walls (6:46:11 PM): i think start tapping b
Cross the Walls (6:46:17 PM): and even though i'm at the very end of my tornado
Cross the Walls (6:46:24 PM): i can move up through his shield
Cross the Walls (6:46:26 PM): and hit him
Cross the Walls (6:46:30 PM): if i dont hit him
Cross the Walls (6:46:35 PM): i can move behind his shield
Cross the Walls (6:46:51 PM): after the last hit (which is a pretty solid knock) im behind him and dont have much lag
GerbilMortar (6:47:05 PM): O.O
GerbilMortar (6:47:07 PM): wut
Cross the Walls (6:47:16 PM): you could even go across levels hit people with the tornado, then use it to propel up onto playforms loool
Cross the Walls (6:47:33 PM): the other use
Cross the Walls (6:47:39 PM): that ive found so far
Cross the Walls (6:47:45 PM): is like, if a character is coming back
Cross the Walls (6:47:50 PM): since wding is gone
Cross the Walls (6:47:58 PM): i'll use it to go all the way across the stage
Cross the Walls (6:48:03 PM): off the level
Cross the Walls (6:48:12 PM): and fall down to hit someone
Cross the Walls (6:48:17 PM): this puts me in the position
Cross the Walls (6:48:21 PM): that im already facing the level
Cross the Walls (6:48:27 PM): as i've done the tornado backwards
Cross the Walls (6:48:34 PM): and i still have my jump and up b
GerbilMortar (6:49:00 PM): wow wtf
GerbilMortar (6:49:06 PM): so...
GerbilMortar (6:49:16 PM): could you tornado, fall off, rapid tornado up, then jump to upB?
GerbilMortar (6:49:26 PM): so inessence, yuo can rise back towards the stage simultaneously hitting the enemy
GerbilMortar (6:49:47 PM): know what I mean?
Cross the Walls (6:49:48 PM): yes
Cross the Walls (6:49:50 PM): exactly
GerbilMortar (6:49:50 PM): wow badass
Cross the Walls (6:49:56 PM): if you time it right
Cross the Walls (6:49:57 PM): like i said
Cross the Walls (6:50:00 PM): the last hit hits pretty hard
Cross the Walls (6:50:07 PM): but even if you didn't
Cross the Walls (6:50:11 PM): you could tornado off
Cross the Walls (6:50:14 PM): fair
Cross the Walls (6:50:19 PM): jump
Cross the Walls (6:50:22 PM): fair again if they tried to get back
Cross the Walls (6:50:25 PM): then up b yourself
Cross the Walls (6:50:32 PM): oh
Cross the Walls (6:50:34 PM): and you know how people were saying
Cross the Walls (6:50:40 PM): that when you hit shields or enemys
Cross the Walls (6:50:45 PM): it stops your momentum?
GerbilMortar (6:50:55 PM): yes
Cross the Walls (6:50:55 PM): and you fall right in front of them?
Cross the Walls (6:50:57 PM): bull****
Cross the Walls (6:51:07 PM): the first match i turned on
Cross the Walls (6:51:11 PM): i ran with fox
Cross the Walls (6:51:18 PM): sh'd
Cross the Walls (6:51:23 PM): went at ed with a nair
Cross the Walls (6:51:26 PM): hit his shield
Cross the Walls (6:51:28 PM): and kept going
GerbilMortar (6:51:30 PM): wow
Cross the Walls (6:51:31 PM): its bull****
GerbilMortar (6:51:54 PM): XD
Cross the Walls (6:52:12 PM): azen says its a good game
Cross the Walls (6:52:17 PM): therefore its a good game
GerbilMortar (6:52:47 PM): I had seen gimpy and panda talk about it, but I couldn't accept it till I had someone I knew better play it lol
GerbilMortar (6:53:00 PM): that's badass, thanks for that ton of info
GerbilMortar (6:53:06 PM): I'll be maining CF btw for the beginning
GerbilMortar (6:53:13 PM): someone has to keep the GA tradition of FPs alive LOL
Cross the Walls (6:53:17 PM): Azen Zagenite: yea i have brawl
Cross the Walls: what do you think?
Azen Zagenite: i like it a lot
Cross the Walls (6:53:31 PM): Azen Zagenite: i'm glad its completely different than melee
Azen Zagenite: like a fresh new beginning
Azen Zagenite: lollz
Cross the Walls (6:53:34 PM): ^proof game is good
GerbilMortar (6:53:42 PM): that's going to be bolded in my thread XD
Cross the Walls (6:54:05 PM): haha
Cross the Walls (6:54:07 PM): oh
Cross the Walls (6:54:11 PM): and all this **** about luigi
Cross the Walls (6:54:13 PM): is just cause
Cross the Walls (6:54:15 PM): ive been playing him
Cross the Walls (6:54:16 PM): but really
Cross the Walls (6:54:19 PM): from what i've seen
Cross the Walls (6:54:25 PM): every character has badass **** like this
Cross the Walls (6:54:33 PM): so it just proves my theory
Cross the Walls (6:54:38 PM): that the game is more character based
Cross the Walls (6:54:49 PM): than "common tech" based
Cross the Walls (6:54:51 PM): like the last game
Cross the Walls (6:55:05 PM): oh, btw, another tornado thing, i know im obsessed with the tornado loool
Cross the Walls (6:55:15 PM): but you can move it fast enough
Cross the Walls (6:55:19 PM): to like, down throw someone
Cross the Walls (6:55:20 PM): tornado
Cross the Walls (6:55:28 PM): move back, move forward, hit them again
Cross the Walls (6:55:31 PM): and this time
Cross the Walls (6:55:37 PM): move up with it
Cross the Walls (6:55:55 PM): use the last punch to him them above you (becasue the character is mostly above you from the original dthrow hit)
Cross the Walls (6:56:05 PM): and then either up air or fair them out of it
GerbilMortar (6:56:25 PM): you better start coining these combos lol
Cross the Walls (6:57:03 PM): dood
Cross the Walls (6:57:09 PM): im just going to release a combo vid
Cross the Walls (6:57:12 PM): with luigi
Cross the Walls (6:57:13 PM): in the next like
Cross the Walls (6:57:15 PM): 3-4 weeks
GerbilMortar (6:57:20 PM): do it
Cross the Walls (6:57:38 PM): dood he can chain combos sooo well with fireball loool
Cross the Walls (6:57:42 PM): dood i love this game haha
Cross the Walls (6:57:49 PM): uhm, peach is retardedly fast
Cross the Walls (6:58:03 PM): uhm
Cross the Walls (6:58:07 PM): ed was just ****ing around with her
Cross the Walls (6:58:12 PM): because obviously kone=peach
Cross the Walls (6:58:17 PM): and like
Cross the Walls (6:58:23 PM): fc'ing
Cross the Walls (6:58:25 PM): is sooo fast in this game
Cross the Walls (6:58:33 PM): that you can cancel the fc animation
Cross the Walls (6:58:35 PM): haha
Cross the Walls (6:58:43 PM): its essentially a wavedash
Cross the Walls (6:58:48 PM): but even faster than peaches from the last game
Cross the Walls (6:58:54 PM): i mean longer
Cross the Walls (6:58:57 PM): well, its faster too
GerbilMortar (6:59:14 PM): O.O
GerbilMortar (6:59:28 PM): guess peach players will be happy >.<
Cross the Walls (6:59:34 PM): yup
Cross the Walls (6:59:37 PM): up air is also amazing
Cross the Walls (6:59:43 PM): *up smash
Cross the Walls (7:00:03 PM): if turnips hit the ground soft enough
Cross the Walls (7:00:06 PM): they stick back into it
GerbilMortar (7:00:10 PM): O.O
Cross the Walls (7:00:11 PM): and other characters can pick them up
GerbilMortar (7:00:17 PM): LOL that's fricken cool
Cross the Walls (7:00:25 PM): diddy's bananas rule
Cross the Walls (7:00:33 PM): diddy is a combo machine
Cross the Walls (7:00:34 PM): lol
Cross the Walls (7:00:44 PM): marth can still ken combo
Cross the Walls (7:00:53 PM): if anything carrying with the fair is easier
Cross the Walls (7:01:01 PM): depends
Cross the Walls (7:01:04 PM): if you are out over the air
Cross the Walls (7:01:11 PM): there's not many places to go
GerbilMortar (7:01:34 PM): right right
Cross the Walls (7:02:09 PM): lets see what else
Cross the Walls (7:02:12 PM): olimar
Cross the Walls (7:02:16 PM): is a very complex character
Cross the Walls (7:02:20 PM): but clearly good
GerbilMortar (7:02:23 PM): awesome
Cross the Walls (7:02:27 PM): uhm
Cross the Walls (7:02:38 PM): you can pull out 3 or 4 pikmin
Cross the Walls (7:02:42 PM): before the match starts
Cross the Walls (7:02:47 PM): in your intro animation
GerbilMortar (7:03:04 PM): whoa... automatically, or you do it yourself?
Cross the Walls (7:03:09 PM): you do it
Cross the Walls (7:03:13 PM): im pretty sure
Cross the Walls (7:03:16 PM): i didnt try it
Cross the Walls (7:03:20 PM): ed did it
Cross the Walls (7:03:21 PM): and im pretty sure
Cross the Walls (7:03:25 PM): he did it himself
Cross the Walls (7:03:27 PM): almost positive
Cross the Walls (7:03:32 PM): but i'll know for sure tomorrow
Cross the Walls (7:04:56 PM): and is much smoother than i though
Cross the Walls (7:04:58 PM): *thought
GerbilMortar (7:05:07 PM): oh?
Cross the Walls (7:05:15 PM): like, i knew it would be "Clicky"
Cross the Walls (7:05:15 PM): but its way smoother than 64
GerbilMortar (7:05:15 PM): if not much left to say, go ahead and tell it all lol
Cross the Walls (7:05:29 PM): uhm, dont know if you know this, people are not stating obvious things
Cross the Walls (7:05:35 PM): but DI is still very much important
Cross the Walls (7:05:49 PM): and starting as zss
Cross the Walls (7:05:54 PM): you dont press r while the stage is loading
Cross the Walls (7:05:56 PM): but rather
GerbilMortar (7:05:57 PM): oh?
Cross the Walls (7:06:00 PM): when you select the character
Cross the Walls (7:06:01 PM): this means
Cross the Walls (7:06:09 PM): if you want to play her in multiple matches
Cross the Walls (7:06:11 PM): you must
Cross the Walls (7:06:15 PM): deselect samus
Cross the Walls (7:06:25 PM): and select her again holding r again
Cross the Walls (7:06:28 PM): otherise you will get samus
GerbilMortar (7:06:34 PM): you just made Alpha's day lol
Cross the Walls (7:06:38 PM): im not sure if you have to select another character in between
Cross the Walls (7:06:46 PM): you might, i'll check tomorrow
Cross the Walls (7:06:50 PM): i thought that was kinda weird
Cross the Walls (7:06:54 PM): same goes for sheik
Cross the Walls (7:06:58 PM): as for sheik and zelda
Cross the Walls (7:07:11 PM): uh sheiks up b pretty much grabs the stage if you are within 3000 feet of the ledge
Cross the Walls (7:07:17 PM): zelda's hardly grabs it at all lol
Cross the Walls (7:07:20 PM): so thats pretty different
Cross the Walls (7:07:23 PM): another thing
Cross the Walls (7:07:31 PM): you seemingly cant cancel zeldas up b
Cross the Walls (7:07:32 PM): like in melee
Cross the Walls (7:07:38 PM): for stalls or shorter paths to the ledge
Cross the Walls (7:07:42 PM): you know what i mean?
Cross the Walls (7:07:50 PM): zelda can actually do stuff though
Cross the Walls (7:07:55 PM): as her smashes seem to actually combo
Cross the Walls (7:07:58 PM): instead of just sucking ***
GerbilMortar (7:08:06 PM): yeah I understand ^.^
Cross the Walls (7:08:12 PM): whip still does nothing
Cross the Walls (7:08:25 PM): needles seem to take longer to charge in the air than they used to
GerbilMortar (7:08:31 PM): hopefully when a tier list develop, it isn't so crappy for whoeever landsa as low
Cross the Walls (7:08:32 PM): everything still leads to fair
Cross the Walls (7:08:40 PM): yeah
Cross the Walls (7:08:58 PM): bair has hitlag like a mother
Cross the Walls (7:09:06 PM): i think you could set like 10,000 di's to that ****
GerbilMortar (7:09:13 PM): so does the falcon knee
Cross the Walls (7:09:13 PM): with zelda
Cross the Walls (7:09:17 PM): haha, sweet
GerbilMortar (7:09:20 PM): they both just hold it there for a sec
GerbilMortar (7:09:23 PM): it's badass to watch
GerbilMortar (7:09:35 PM): but I dunno of Smash DI could be used to change your influence
GerbilMortar (7:09:41 PM): or if SDI even exists
Cross the Walls (7:09:49 PM): we'll find out i guess
Cross the Walls (7:09:52 PM): DI is still very prevelant
Cross the Walls (7:09:55 PM): and thats what matters
GerbilMortar (7:10:10 PM): truth
GerbilMortar (7:10:17 PM): anything else you can think of?
Cross the Walls (7:10:20 PM): do you know about characters dairs forcing them downwards now?
Cross the Walls (7:10:24 PM): well, some characters
GerbilMortar (7:10:31 PM): forcing the char that uses it downwards???
Cross the Walls (7:10:34 PM): yeah
Cross the Walls (7:10:44 PM): zss, sheik, luigi, probably
Cross the Walls (7:10:45 PM): others
Cross the Walls (7:11:08 PM): uhm lucas is a beast
Cross the Walls (7:11:15 PM): and can kill at mad early percents
Cross the Walls (7:11:23 PM): a lot of people
Cross the Walls (7:11:27 PM): are saying you cant kill at early percents
Cross the Walls (7:11:32 PM): but they need to take a history lesson
Cross the Walls (7:11:35 PM): and watch old melee vids
Cross the Walls (7:11:40 PM): even in saying that though
Cross the Walls (7:12:12 PM): haha
Cross the Walls (7:12:17 PM): like
Cross the Walls (7:12:22 PM): as an example
Cross the Walls (7:12:26 PM): you can still kill way early
Cross the Walls (7:12:29 PM): like with luigi
Cross the Walls (7:12:32 PM): i ran at ed
Cross the Walls (7:12:37 PM): (olimar)
Cross the Walls (7:12:46 PM): dthrow, fair, fair, run (keep momentum)
Cross the Walls (7:12:51 PM): jump, bair, bair
Cross the Walls (7:12:53 PM): dead
GerbilMortar (7:12:56 PM): O.o
Cross the Walls (7:13:02 PM): it took like 6 seconds maybe?
GerbilMortar (7:13:08 PM): wow......
Cross the Walls (7:13:13 PM): and there was no way he could get back
Cross the Walls (7:13:14 PM): oh
Cross the Walls (7:13:16 PM): olimar
Cross the Walls (7:13:20 PM): you can hit the pikmin
Cross the Walls (7:13:22 PM): if they are in line
Cross the Walls (7:13:28 PM): but you can if they are desynched
Cross the Walls (7:13:35 PM): dunno if you heard that
Cross the Walls (7:13:41 PM): but if he throws them at you
Cross the Walls (7:13:45 PM): you can hit them, and they die haha
Cross the Walls (7:13:57 PM): it takes about 1 second to pull about 5 pikmin
Cross the Walls (7:14:28 PM): uhm
Cross the Walls (7:14:35 PM): if you try to jump cancel a grab you'll do an upsmash
Cross the Walls (7:14:56 PM): link can turn around in his arrows similar to how spacies can in their shine
GerbilMortar (7:14:59 PM): yeah, there's a "new" technique to do it in that thread I linked you
Cross the Walls (7:15:02 PM): the arrows are highly controllable
Cross the Walls (7:15:12 PM): you can aim them straight up
GerbilMortar (7:15:41 PM): O.o
Cross the Walls (7:15:48 PM): if you land enough pikmin on someone, they are ****ed haha
GerbilMortar (7:15:53 PM): ??
Cross the Walls (7:15:56 PM): if you hit them while they are coming back to the stage
GerbilMortar (7:15:56 PM): how so?
GerbilMortar (7:16:00 PM): O.o
Cross the Walls (7:16:02 PM): they pretty much cant do anything about it
GerbilMortar (7:16:06 PM): XDDDD
Cross the Walls (7:16:06 PM): so the pikmin stick
Cross the Walls (7:16:11 PM): and do ****loads of damage
Cross the Walls (7:16:39 PM): we think he's like a top 5 character so far lol
GerbilMortar (7:17:11 PM): wow awesome
Cross the Walls (7:17:55 PM): oh, some characters can do multiple up bs
Cross the Walls (7:18:03 PM): and some can attack out of their up b's, but only once
GerbilMortar (7:18:12 PM): I was told samus can grapple 3 times in the air
Cross the Walls (7:18:21 PM): yeah
Cross the Walls (7:18:53 PM): uhm
Cross the Walls (7:19:01 PM): zss's armour parts
Cross the Walls (7:19:08 PM): do a ****load of damage/knockback haha
GerbilMortar (7:19:22 PM): O.o whoa
GerbilMortar (7:20:34 PM): you basically answered eevrything I wanted to know atm lol
Cross the Walls (7:20:38 PM): haha
Cross the Walls (7:20:48 PM): i'll try the whole air parry thing out tomorrow
GerbilMortar (7:20:54 PM): alright awesome
GerbilMortar (7:21:01 PM): that is somethin im lookin forward to knowin more about
That's it!!!! Hope you enjoyed your new info.
Hey guys. Wes and I were on AIM and he told me tons of crap about his experiences playing Brawl. Since it's a ton of information, I decided to copy/paste the convo (edited to make it shorter of course lol).
Proof that Brawl will be good first:
Azen Zagenite: yea i have brawl
Cross the Walls: what do you think?
Azen Zagenite: i like it a lot
Cross the Walls (6:53:31 PM): Azen Zagenite: i'm glad its completely different than melee
Azen Zagenite: like a fresh new beginning
Azen Zagenite: lollz
Cross the Walls (6:53:34 PM): ^proof game is good
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Cross the Walls (6:08:24 PM): im playing brawl!
GerbilMortar (6:08:29 PM): wut
GerbilMortar (6:08:32 PM): ****
GerbilMortar (6:08:57 PM): you're a lucky *******
GerbilMortar (6:09:06 PM): *goes to Tech to play with newbs that pirated brawl*
Cross the Walls (6:09:06 PM): i play luigi!
GerbilMortar (6:09:09 PM): O.o
GerbilMortar (6:09:18 PM): lies
GerbilMortar (6:09:21 PM): o.O
Cross the Walls (6:09:29 PM): nah dood
Cross the Walls (6:09:37 PM): im gonna put out luigi vids this weekend
Cross the Walls (6:09:39 PM): prolly tomorrow
GerbilMortar (6:09:43 PM): ****ing sweet
GerbilMortar (6:09:46 PM): just answer me this though
GerbilMortar (6:09:48 PM): do you like it?
Cross the Walls (6:09:59 PM): its probably better than melee
Cross the Walls (6:10:00 PM): i love it
GerbilMortar (6:10:08 PM): I'm so quoting you on that LOL
GerbilMortar (6:10:25 PM): I know it's early, but could you see it being competitive?
GerbilMortar (6:10:34 PM): even if we had to tweak things?
Cross the Walls (6:10:46 PM): it wont take tweaking
Cross the Walls (6:10:49 PM): people are just pissed
Cross the Walls (6:10:54 PM): because they are trying to play it like melee
GerbilMortar (6:10:55 PM): so you find it good as is?
Cross the Walls (6:10:55 PM): its not melee
GerbilMortar (6:10:59 PM): word XD
Cross the Walls (6:11:01 PM): the objective is not the same
Cross the Walls (6:11:05 PM): you dont kill the same
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Cross the Walls (6:11:11 PM): gotta ****
GerbilMortar (6:11:13 PM): LOL
Cross the Walls (6:11:14 PM): then i'll tell you everything i know
GerbilMortar (6:11:18 PM): alright badass
Cross the Walls (6:13:17 PM): ok im back
Cross the Walls (6:13:19 PM): i powershirt
Cross the Walls (6:13:20 PM): *****
GerbilMortar (6:13:26 PM): XDDDDDD
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Cross the Walls (6:13:39 PM): anyway
Cross the Walls (6:13:40 PM): brawl is insane
Cross the Walls (6:13:48 PM): there is so much no one is touching on
Cross the Walls (6:13:57 PM): everyone is just trying to make it melee 2
GerbilMortar (6:14:11 PM): how is the midair parry system, and also footstool stomping????
GerbilMortar (6:14:21 PM): I have yet to see any vids utilizing all of the new stuff
Cross the Walls (6:14:26 PM): ok
Cross the Walls (6:14:39 PM): midair parry system, we're still trying to figure it out
Cross the Walls (6:14:43 PM): too early to say anything
Cross the Walls (6:14:51 PM): footstool stomping is pointless for now
Cross the Walls (6:14:54 PM): your opponent basically
Cross the Walls (6:14:57 PM): has to be standing still
Cross the Walls (6:15:01 PM): ive done it once
Cross the Walls (6:15:07 PM): and like, all that happened
Cross the Walls (6:15:11 PM): was ed was stunned for a second
Cross the Walls (6:15:19 PM): while i jumped megahigh in the air
Cross the Walls (6:15:22 PM): but like
Cross the Walls (6:15:24 PM): no point
Cross the Walls (6:15:28 PM): cause i was too far away to hit him
Cross the Walls (6:15:35 PM): in fact it kinda gave him the advantage
GerbilMortar (6:16:04 PM): so is it possible in midair?
Cross the Walls (6:16:10 PM): ok
Cross the Walls (6:16:16 PM): to answer that, it gets more complicated
Cross the Walls (6:16:17 PM): you'll find
Cross the Walls (6:16:25 PM): that most characters can easily make it back to the ledge
Cross the Walls (6:16:32 PM): from anything that doesnt kill them directly
Cross the Walls (6:17:06 PM): so
Cross the Walls (6:17:10 PM): that being the case
Cross the Walls (6:17:16 PM): "edgegaurding"
Cross the Walls (6:17:19 PM): is kinda pointless for now
Cross the Walls (6:17:22 PM): you wont hit them
Cross the Walls (6:17:25 PM): the autosweetspot
Cross the Walls (6:17:31 PM): combined with characters jumps and glides
Cross the Walls (6:17:34 PM): make it stupid
Cross the Walls (6:17:39 PM): so either
Cross the Walls (6:17:44 PM): you kill them off the tops
Cross the Walls (6:17:53 PM): and this is where it gets cool
Cross the Walls (6:17:56 PM): a lot of combos in the air
Cross the Walls (6:18:02 PM): can lead to moves that send upward on the ground
Cross the Walls (6:18:05 PM): if that makes sense
GerbilMortar (6:18:17 PM): things like usmashes or utlits on the ground?
Cross the Walls (6:18:24 PM): well like
Cross the Walls (6:18:29 PM): ive been playing primarily with luigi
Cross the Walls (6:18:30 PM): oh and btw
Cross the Walls (6:18:36 PM): anyone who says there arent combos
Cross the Walls (6:18:38 PM): is dumb
Cross the Walls (6:18:46 PM): they're simply trying to press buttons too fast
Cross the Walls (6:18:51 PM): so with luigi
Cross the Walls (6:18:54 PM): you can downthrow
Cross the Walls (6:18:55 PM): up tilt
Cross the Walls (6:18:58 PM): up air
Cross the Walls (6:18:59 PM): up air
Cross the Walls (6:19:03 PM): run, up smash
GerbilMortar (6:19:09 PM): o.o
Cross the Walls (6:19:19 PM): oh
Cross the Walls (6:19:21 PM): so
Cross the Walls (6:19:22 PM): basically
Cross the Walls (6:19:24 PM): the point of the game
Cross the Walls (6:19:43 PM): besides the obvious of hitting them so hard that they die from the direct hits
Cross the Walls (6:19:50 PM): is hitting people while they are coming back
GerbilMortar (6:19:55 PM): air interception
Cross the Walls (6:20:03 PM): think like dragon ball z
Cross the Walls (6:20:08 PM): like, because you are both so floaty
Cross the Walls (6:20:10 PM): and can make it back
Cross the Walls (6:20:14 PM): you hit someone off
Cross the Walls (6:20:18 PM): then go make sure they cant get back
Cross the Walls (6:20:24 PM): but its wayyyyy deeper than melee
GerbilMortar (6:20:26 PM): yesh, *so called it*
Cross the Walls (6:20:35 PM): where you stand on the ledge
Cross the Walls (6:20:41 PM): and f-smash with marth
Cross the Walls (6:20:44 PM): and thats a ledgegaurd
Cross the Walls (6:20:50 PM): now your *** has to work for you kills
GerbilMortar (6:20:54 PM): LMAO
Cross the Walls (6:20:56 PM): and you can like, do combos as you go down
GerbilMortar (6:21:03 PM): man
Cross the Walls (6:21:08 PM): plus
Cross the Walls (6:21:12 PM): oh
Cross the Walls (6:21:16 PM): modding your controller is a must
GerbilMortar (6:21:20 PM): ?
Cross the Walls (6:21:20 PM): we'll be doing ours by next week
Cross the Walls (6:21:31 PM): you're going to have to take out the spring so you can shield just by tapping
GerbilMortar (6:21:31 PM): modding in what way?
GerbilMortar (6:21:35 PM): ahhhh
Cross the Walls (6:21:37 PM): the game doesnt register the R trigger
Cross the Walls (6:21:43 PM): until it is literally alllll the way down
GerbilMortar (6:21:49 PM): you have to press all the way down for a shield
Cross the Walls (6:21:49 PM): farther than you've ever pressed it lol
Cross the Walls (6:21:59 PM): yeah, but once that is done, that will be fine
Cross the Walls (6:22:23 PM): some people were saying the game felt clicky and unorganized
Cross the Walls (6:22:25 PM): like
Cross the Walls (6:22:36 PM): "you have to press down all the way to fall through a platform"
Cross the Walls (6:22:45 PM): thats bull****, its just as sensitive
Cross the Walls (6:22:48 PM): the only thing
Cross the Walls (6:22:51 PM): thats different
Cross the Walls (6:23:07 PM): is you can fall backwards or down from the ledge until about half of your invincibilty is gone from landing on it
Cross the Walls (6:23:15 PM): and that seemingly depends on the character
Cross the Walls (6:23:24 PM): but i'll need more time with the game to figure it out
GerbilMortar (6:23:44 PM): see
GerbilMortar (6:23:56 PM): I tried to explain the air guarding style to people
GerbilMortar (6:24:02 PM): and it basically got tossed lol
Cross the Walls (6:25:18 PM): the amount of ignorance i see on the boards is rediculous
Cross the Walls (6:25:23 PM): what i really dont understand
Cross the Walls (6:25:25 PM): is people going
Cross the Walls (6:25:28 PM): "this game is ****"
Cross the Walls (6:25:31 PM): when they haven't played it?
Cross the Walls (6:25:38 PM): or "look how slow it is"
Cross the Walls (6:25:45 PM): when its the 7th day the game has been playable
Cross the Walls (6:25:49 PM): i'll tell you something
Cross the Walls (6:25:52 PM): peach is faster in this game
Cross the Walls (6:25:57 PM): luigi is faster in this game
Cross the Walls (6:26:05 PM): oh, another thing
Cross the Walls (6:26:16 PM): they've made small changes to nearly every character
Cross the Walls (6:26:22 PM): that give them a distinct character identity
Cross the Walls (6:26:32 PM): like, characters are wayyy different in this game
Cross the Walls (6:26:35 PM): you know how in like
Cross the Walls (6:26:37 PM): melee
Cross the Walls (6:26:39 PM): if i really wanted to
Cross the Walls (6:26:44 PM): i could play doctor mario
GerbilMortar (6:26:47 PM): right
Cross the Walls (6:26:47 PM): exactly like captain
Cross the Walls (6:26:50 PM): and get away with it?
GerbilMortar (6:27:01 PM): yes, I've seen people do that actually with dif chars
Cross the Walls (6:27:08 PM): yeah, you cant do it in this game
Cross the Walls (6:27:09 PM): not at all
GerbilMortar (6:27:14 PM): *plays Fox and Pichu the same*
GerbilMortar (6:27:21 PM): so every char is unique in play style??
Cross the Walls (6:27:24 PM): very
Cross the Walls (6:27:31 PM): like, a few may be similar
Cross the Walls (6:27:32 PM): but
Cross the Walls (6:27:34 PM): as a whole
GerbilMortar (6:27:37 PM): thus anihilating any *****ing of "clones"
Cross the Walls (6:27:47 PM): its about 20x the difference in melee
Cross the Walls (6:27:52 PM): oh yeah, falco is ****ing weird looool
Cross the Walls (6:28:07 PM): you can still double laser up from the ledge
Cross the Walls (6:28:27 PM): wario is by far the weirdest moving character in either of the games
GerbilMortar (6:28:34 PM): how so?
Cross the Walls (6:28:36 PM): but its not a bad thing
Cross the Walls (6:28:40 PM): i cant really describe it
Cross the Walls (6:28:47 PM): he sort of
Cross the Walls (6:28:52 PM): swings his weight with everything he does
Cross the Walls (6:28:58 PM): he's very like, realistic in a way
Cross the Walls (6:29:15 PM): but really
Cross the Walls (6:29:17 PM): in brawl
Cross the Walls (6:29:25 PM): like i was saying
Cross the Walls (6:29:25 PM): you know how in melee
Cross the Walls (6:29:27 PM): there was **** that people figured out
Cross the Walls (6:29:33 PM): and it applied to all the characters
GerbilMortar (6:29:36 PM): right
Cross the Walls (6:29:42 PM): i.e. l cancelling, wavedashing
Cross the Walls (6:29:43 PM): **** like that
Cross the Walls (6:29:46 PM): this game isn't going to be like
Cross the Walls (6:29:55 PM): they've put soooo much effort into making the characters deep
Cross the Walls (6:30:00 PM): so therefore there is no reason for that
Cross the Walls (6:30:08 PM): and seeing as how most of the characters look playable
Cross the Walls (6:30:15 PM): there will be much more diversity in tournaments
GerbilMortar (6:30:25 PM): so then, i.e. we could somewhat say that each character could potentially have their own unique sets of things we can do with them llol
Cross the Walls (6:30:37 PM): you will literally HAVE TO know how to beat an olimar or a dedede or a fox or w/e if you want to beat them
Cross the Walls (6:30:46 PM): yes, exactly
Cross the Walls (6:30:51 PM): and visa versa
Cross the Walls (6:30:51 PM): like i said
Cross the Walls (6:30:57 PM): you have to know how to fight them
Cross the Walls (6:30:58 PM): its not like
Cross the Walls (6:30:59 PM): ok
Cross the Walls (6:31:01 PM): example
Cross the Walls (6:31:15 PM): id say the 4 biggest characters
Cross the Walls (6:31:19 PM): that fight everyone the same in melee
Cross the Walls (6:31:24 PM): are sheik marth fox falco
Cross the Walls (6:31:28 PM): thats why they are top tier
GerbilMortar (6:31:34 PM): cause it's always the same thing
Cross the Walls (6:31:35 PM): their adaptations are limited for each character
GerbilMortar (6:31:38 PM): or generally anyways
Cross the Walls (6:31:40 PM): right, marths literally
Cross the Walls (6:31:45 PM): do the same thing
Cross the Walls (6:31:45 PM): to everyone
Cross the Walls (6:31:48 PM): that wont happen in this game
Cross the Walls (6:31:58 PM): there will be specific fights for each character
GerbilMortar (6:32:11 PM): man you're making me cream myself over this info
GerbilMortar (6:32:13 PM): XD
Cross the Walls (6:32:15 PM): poke trainer
Cross the Walls (6:32:17 PM): is 3 characters
Cross the Walls (6:32:19 PM): end of story
Cross the Walls (6:32:34 PM): the pokemon have nothing to do with each other
Cross the Walls (6:32:42 PM): therefore, they are 3 different characters
GerbilMortar (6:32:48 PM): oh! how about that stamina thing?
GerbilMortar (6:32:53 PM): how does that work?
Cross the Walls (6:32:55 PM): ok
Cross the Walls (6:33:00 PM): what me and ed figure
Cross the Walls (6:33:09 PM): is that
Cross the Walls (6:33:17 PM): 1. we're dont have "an eye" for the game yet
Cross the Walls (6:33:23 PM): so its hard to see whats getting less powerful
Cross the Walls (6:33:27 PM): or if you're getting slower
Cross the Walls (6:33:35 PM): it will take a few weeks/months to see
Cross the Walls (6:33:40 PM): and some statistics would be usefull
Cross the Walls (6:33:42 PM): BUT
Cross the Walls (6:33:45 PM): its not blatantly obvious
Cross the Walls (6:33:53 PM): like, ed plays entire matches with nothing but ivy
Cross the Walls (6:34:09 PM): and his attacks seemingly do not diminish in speed or hitpower faster than everyone elses
Cross the Walls (6:34:20 PM): now, it may be true that they do, and it may be an important factor later
Cross the Walls (6:34:26 PM): but as for now, its too hard to see if its there
Cross the Walls (6:34:30 PM): 2.
GerbilMortar (6:34:31 PM): ok cool
Cross the Walls (6:34:54 PM): i think that the designers put that in (if it even is effective) for people who will be playing much slower than us
Cross the Walls (6:35:21 PM): therefore, even if it does exist, competitive play will likely bring the death/stamina ratio so low that it wont matter
Cross the Walls (6:35:25 PM): simply because of speed of characters
Cross the Walls (6:35:28 PM): and fights
Cross the Walls (6:35:32 PM): progressing
GerbilMortar (6:35:51 PM): 1 quick thing
GerbilMortar (6:35:57 PM): do you mind I copy/paste this convo into a thread?
GerbilMortar (6:35:59 PM): lol
Cross the Walls (6:36:08 PM): not at all
GerbilMortar (6:36:17 PM): it's alot to repeat to people who care lol
Cross the Walls (6:42:13 PM): its funny
Cross the Walls (6:42:21 PM): because everyone is flipping **** about certain characters
Cross the Walls (6:42:26 PM): and i see loads of potential in others
Cross the Walls (6:42:32 PM): it may just be my playstyle
Cross the Walls (6:42:34 PM): but to me right now
Cross the Walls (6:42:38 PM): luigi is the best character
Cross the Walls (6:42:40 PM): like
Cross the Walls (6:42:42 PM): that i have unlocked
Cross the Walls (6:42:46 PM): i still have 11 characters to unlock
Cross the Walls (6:42:51 PM): as i dont give a **** about single player
Cross the Walls (6:42:59 PM): or the subspace star wars bull****
Cross the Walls (6:43:08 PM): anyway
Cross the Walls (6:43:24 PM): but as for now
Cross the Walls (6:43:34 PM): like with the whole "every character is unique" thing
Cross the Walls (6:43:41 PM): we've already been figuring things out
Cross the Walls (6:43:48 PM): like, people are looking for combos the wrong way
Cross the Walls (6:43:52 PM): they need to be loads more creative
Cross the Walls (6:44:01 PM): btw, so far i've found mario can no longer rise with the tornado
GerbilMortar (6:44:10 PM): seriously??
Cross the Walls (6:44:11 PM): and some of this may be repetitive to you
GerbilMortar (6:44:22 PM): you've told me tons of new info actually
Cross the Walls (6:44:27 PM): ok
Cross the Walls (6:44:30 PM): on to luigi
Cross the Walls (6:44:34 PM): btw marios tornado blows lol
Cross the Walls (6:44:40 PM): ok, luigi's though
Cross the Walls (6:44:44 PM): is AMAZING
Cross the Walls (6:44:47 PM): here's the thing
Cross the Walls (6:44:52 PM): you can go soooo far
Cross the Walls (6:44:57 PM): and the end animation
Cross the Walls (6:45:01 PM): is sooo much faster than melee
Cross the Walls (6:45:05 PM): so it has loads of using
Cross the Walls (6:45:07 PM): which i'll get to in a second
Cross the Walls (6:45:11 PM): but, firstly
Cross the Walls (6:45:19 PM): it should be noted
Cross the Walls (6:45:22 PM): that unlike melee
Cross the Walls (6:45:28 PM): you can start rising in it AT ANY POINT
Cross the Walls (6:45:36 PM): which is sooooooooooo unique
Cross the Walls (6:45:43 PM): so, take this for example
Cross the Walls (6:45:47 PM): so ed is ivy saur
GerbilMortar (6:45:53 PM): k
Cross the Walls (6:46:02 PM): and i start my tornado and move it at him from across the stage
Cross the Walls (6:46:04 PM): i get to him
Cross the Walls (6:46:06 PM): he shields
Cross the Walls (6:46:11 PM): i think start tapping b
Cross the Walls (6:46:17 PM): and even though i'm at the very end of my tornado
Cross the Walls (6:46:24 PM): i can move up through his shield
Cross the Walls (6:46:26 PM): and hit him
Cross the Walls (6:46:30 PM): if i dont hit him
Cross the Walls (6:46:35 PM): i can move behind his shield
Cross the Walls (6:46:51 PM): after the last hit (which is a pretty solid knock) im behind him and dont have much lag
GerbilMortar (6:47:05 PM): O.O
GerbilMortar (6:47:07 PM): wut
Cross the Walls (6:47:16 PM): you could even go across levels hit people with the tornado, then use it to propel up onto playforms loool
Cross the Walls (6:47:33 PM): the other use
Cross the Walls (6:47:39 PM): that ive found so far
Cross the Walls (6:47:45 PM): is like, if a character is coming back
Cross the Walls (6:47:50 PM): since wding is gone
Cross the Walls (6:47:58 PM): i'll use it to go all the way across the stage
Cross the Walls (6:48:03 PM): off the level
Cross the Walls (6:48:12 PM): and fall down to hit someone
Cross the Walls (6:48:17 PM): this puts me in the position
Cross the Walls (6:48:21 PM): that im already facing the level
Cross the Walls (6:48:27 PM): as i've done the tornado backwards
Cross the Walls (6:48:34 PM): and i still have my jump and up b
GerbilMortar (6:49:00 PM): wow wtf
GerbilMortar (6:49:06 PM): so...
GerbilMortar (6:49:16 PM): could you tornado, fall off, rapid tornado up, then jump to upB?
GerbilMortar (6:49:26 PM): so inessence, yuo can rise back towards the stage simultaneously hitting the enemy
GerbilMortar (6:49:47 PM): know what I mean?
Cross the Walls (6:49:48 PM): yes
Cross the Walls (6:49:50 PM): exactly
GerbilMortar (6:49:50 PM): wow badass
Cross the Walls (6:49:56 PM): if you time it right
Cross the Walls (6:49:57 PM): like i said
Cross the Walls (6:50:00 PM): the last hit hits pretty hard
Cross the Walls (6:50:07 PM): but even if you didn't
Cross the Walls (6:50:11 PM): you could tornado off
Cross the Walls (6:50:14 PM): fair
Cross the Walls (6:50:19 PM): jump
Cross the Walls (6:50:22 PM): fair again if they tried to get back
Cross the Walls (6:50:25 PM): then up b yourself
Cross the Walls (6:50:32 PM): oh
Cross the Walls (6:50:34 PM): and you know how people were saying
Cross the Walls (6:50:40 PM): that when you hit shields or enemys
Cross the Walls (6:50:45 PM): it stops your momentum?
GerbilMortar (6:50:55 PM): yes
Cross the Walls (6:50:55 PM): and you fall right in front of them?
Cross the Walls (6:50:57 PM): bull****
Cross the Walls (6:51:07 PM): the first match i turned on
Cross the Walls (6:51:11 PM): i ran with fox
Cross the Walls (6:51:18 PM): sh'd
Cross the Walls (6:51:23 PM): went at ed with a nair
Cross the Walls (6:51:26 PM): hit his shield
Cross the Walls (6:51:28 PM): and kept going
GerbilMortar (6:51:30 PM): wow
Cross the Walls (6:51:31 PM): its bull****
GerbilMortar (6:51:54 PM): XD
Cross the Walls (6:52:12 PM): azen says its a good game
Cross the Walls (6:52:17 PM): therefore its a good game
GerbilMortar (6:52:47 PM): I had seen gimpy and panda talk about it, but I couldn't accept it till I had someone I knew better play it lol
GerbilMortar (6:53:00 PM): that's badass, thanks for that ton of info
GerbilMortar (6:53:06 PM): I'll be maining CF btw for the beginning
GerbilMortar (6:53:13 PM): someone has to keep the GA tradition of FPs alive LOL
Cross the Walls (6:53:17 PM): Azen Zagenite: yea i have brawl
Cross the Walls: what do you think?
Azen Zagenite: i like it a lot
Cross the Walls (6:53:31 PM): Azen Zagenite: i'm glad its completely different than melee
Azen Zagenite: like a fresh new beginning
Azen Zagenite: lollz
Cross the Walls (6:53:34 PM): ^proof game is good
GerbilMortar (6:53:42 PM): that's going to be bolded in my thread XD
Cross the Walls (6:54:05 PM): haha
Cross the Walls (6:54:07 PM): oh
Cross the Walls (6:54:11 PM): and all this **** about luigi
Cross the Walls (6:54:13 PM): is just cause
Cross the Walls (6:54:15 PM): ive been playing him
Cross the Walls (6:54:16 PM): but really
Cross the Walls (6:54:19 PM): from what i've seen
Cross the Walls (6:54:25 PM): every character has badass **** like this
Cross the Walls (6:54:33 PM): so it just proves my theory
Cross the Walls (6:54:38 PM): that the game is more character based
Cross the Walls (6:54:49 PM): than "common tech" based
Cross the Walls (6:54:51 PM): like the last game
Cross the Walls (6:55:05 PM): oh, btw, another tornado thing, i know im obsessed with the tornado loool
Cross the Walls (6:55:15 PM): but you can move it fast enough
Cross the Walls (6:55:19 PM): to like, down throw someone
Cross the Walls (6:55:20 PM): tornado
Cross the Walls (6:55:28 PM): move back, move forward, hit them again
Cross the Walls (6:55:31 PM): and this time
Cross the Walls (6:55:37 PM): move up with it
Cross the Walls (6:55:55 PM): use the last punch to him them above you (becasue the character is mostly above you from the original dthrow hit)
Cross the Walls (6:56:05 PM): and then either up air or fair them out of it
GerbilMortar (6:56:25 PM): you better start coining these combos lol
Cross the Walls (6:57:03 PM): dood
Cross the Walls (6:57:09 PM): im just going to release a combo vid
Cross the Walls (6:57:12 PM): with luigi
Cross the Walls (6:57:13 PM): in the next like
Cross the Walls (6:57:15 PM): 3-4 weeks
GerbilMortar (6:57:20 PM): do it
Cross the Walls (6:57:38 PM): dood he can chain combos sooo well with fireball loool
Cross the Walls (6:57:42 PM): dood i love this game haha
Cross the Walls (6:57:49 PM): uhm, peach is retardedly fast
Cross the Walls (6:58:03 PM): uhm
Cross the Walls (6:58:07 PM): ed was just ****ing around with her
Cross the Walls (6:58:12 PM): because obviously kone=peach
Cross the Walls (6:58:17 PM): and like
Cross the Walls (6:58:23 PM): fc'ing
Cross the Walls (6:58:25 PM): is sooo fast in this game
Cross the Walls (6:58:33 PM): that you can cancel the fc animation
Cross the Walls (6:58:35 PM): haha
Cross the Walls (6:58:43 PM): its essentially a wavedash
Cross the Walls (6:58:48 PM): but even faster than peaches from the last game
Cross the Walls (6:58:54 PM): i mean longer
Cross the Walls (6:58:57 PM): well, its faster too
GerbilMortar (6:59:14 PM): O.O
GerbilMortar (6:59:28 PM): guess peach players will be happy >.<
Cross the Walls (6:59:34 PM): yup
Cross the Walls (6:59:37 PM): up air is also amazing
Cross the Walls (6:59:43 PM): *up smash
Cross the Walls (7:00:03 PM): if turnips hit the ground soft enough
Cross the Walls (7:00:06 PM): they stick back into it
GerbilMortar (7:00:10 PM): O.O
Cross the Walls (7:00:11 PM): and other characters can pick them up
GerbilMortar (7:00:17 PM): LOL that's fricken cool
Cross the Walls (7:00:25 PM): diddy's bananas rule
Cross the Walls (7:00:33 PM): diddy is a combo machine
Cross the Walls (7:00:34 PM): lol
Cross the Walls (7:00:44 PM): marth can still ken combo
Cross the Walls (7:00:53 PM): if anything carrying with the fair is easier
Cross the Walls (7:01:01 PM): depends
Cross the Walls (7:01:04 PM): if you are out over the air
Cross the Walls (7:01:11 PM): there's not many places to go
GerbilMortar (7:01:34 PM): right right
Cross the Walls (7:02:09 PM): lets see what else
Cross the Walls (7:02:12 PM): olimar
Cross the Walls (7:02:16 PM): is a very complex character
Cross the Walls (7:02:20 PM): but clearly good
GerbilMortar (7:02:23 PM): awesome
Cross the Walls (7:02:27 PM): uhm
Cross the Walls (7:02:38 PM): you can pull out 3 or 4 pikmin
Cross the Walls (7:02:42 PM): before the match starts
Cross the Walls (7:02:47 PM): in your intro animation
GerbilMortar (7:03:04 PM): whoa... automatically, or you do it yourself?
Cross the Walls (7:03:09 PM): you do it
Cross the Walls (7:03:13 PM): im pretty sure
Cross the Walls (7:03:16 PM): i didnt try it
Cross the Walls (7:03:20 PM): ed did it
Cross the Walls (7:03:21 PM): and im pretty sure
Cross the Walls (7:03:25 PM): he did it himself
Cross the Walls (7:03:27 PM): almost positive
Cross the Walls (7:03:32 PM): but i'll know for sure tomorrow
Cross the Walls (7:04:56 PM): and is much smoother than i though
Cross the Walls (7:04:58 PM): *thought
GerbilMortar (7:05:07 PM): oh?
Cross the Walls (7:05:15 PM): like, i knew it would be "Clicky"
Cross the Walls (7:05:15 PM): but its way smoother than 64
GerbilMortar (7:05:15 PM): if not much left to say, go ahead and tell it all lol
Cross the Walls (7:05:29 PM): uhm, dont know if you know this, people are not stating obvious things
Cross the Walls (7:05:35 PM): but DI is still very much important
Cross the Walls (7:05:49 PM): and starting as zss
Cross the Walls (7:05:54 PM): you dont press r while the stage is loading
Cross the Walls (7:05:56 PM): but rather
GerbilMortar (7:05:57 PM): oh?
Cross the Walls (7:06:00 PM): when you select the character
Cross the Walls (7:06:01 PM): this means
Cross the Walls (7:06:09 PM): if you want to play her in multiple matches
Cross the Walls (7:06:11 PM): you must
Cross the Walls (7:06:15 PM): deselect samus
Cross the Walls (7:06:25 PM): and select her again holding r again
Cross the Walls (7:06:28 PM): otherise you will get samus
GerbilMortar (7:06:34 PM): you just made Alpha's day lol
Cross the Walls (7:06:38 PM): im not sure if you have to select another character in between
Cross the Walls (7:06:46 PM): you might, i'll check tomorrow
Cross the Walls (7:06:50 PM): i thought that was kinda weird
Cross the Walls (7:06:54 PM): same goes for sheik
Cross the Walls (7:06:58 PM): as for sheik and zelda
Cross the Walls (7:07:11 PM): uh sheiks up b pretty much grabs the stage if you are within 3000 feet of the ledge
Cross the Walls (7:07:17 PM): zelda's hardly grabs it at all lol
Cross the Walls (7:07:20 PM): so thats pretty different
Cross the Walls (7:07:23 PM): another thing
Cross the Walls (7:07:31 PM): you seemingly cant cancel zeldas up b
Cross the Walls (7:07:32 PM): like in melee
Cross the Walls (7:07:38 PM): for stalls or shorter paths to the ledge
Cross the Walls (7:07:42 PM): you know what i mean?
Cross the Walls (7:07:50 PM): zelda can actually do stuff though
Cross the Walls (7:07:55 PM): as her smashes seem to actually combo
Cross the Walls (7:07:58 PM): instead of just sucking ***
GerbilMortar (7:08:06 PM): yeah I understand ^.^
Cross the Walls (7:08:12 PM): whip still does nothing
Cross the Walls (7:08:25 PM): needles seem to take longer to charge in the air than they used to
GerbilMortar (7:08:31 PM): hopefully when a tier list develop, it isn't so crappy for whoeever landsa as low
Cross the Walls (7:08:32 PM): everything still leads to fair
Cross the Walls (7:08:40 PM): yeah
Cross the Walls (7:08:58 PM): bair has hitlag like a mother
Cross the Walls (7:09:06 PM): i think you could set like 10,000 di's to that ****
GerbilMortar (7:09:13 PM): so does the falcon knee
Cross the Walls (7:09:13 PM): with zelda
Cross the Walls (7:09:17 PM): haha, sweet
GerbilMortar (7:09:20 PM): they both just hold it there for a sec
GerbilMortar (7:09:23 PM): it's badass to watch
GerbilMortar (7:09:35 PM): but I dunno of Smash DI could be used to change your influence
GerbilMortar (7:09:41 PM): or if SDI even exists
Cross the Walls (7:09:49 PM): we'll find out i guess
Cross the Walls (7:09:52 PM): DI is still very prevelant
Cross the Walls (7:09:55 PM): and thats what matters
GerbilMortar (7:10:10 PM): truth
GerbilMortar (7:10:17 PM): anything else you can think of?
Cross the Walls (7:10:20 PM): do you know about characters dairs forcing them downwards now?
Cross the Walls (7:10:24 PM): well, some characters
GerbilMortar (7:10:31 PM): forcing the char that uses it downwards???
Cross the Walls (7:10:34 PM): yeah
Cross the Walls (7:10:44 PM): zss, sheik, luigi, probably
Cross the Walls (7:10:45 PM): others
Cross the Walls (7:11:08 PM): uhm lucas is a beast
Cross the Walls (7:11:15 PM): and can kill at mad early percents
Cross the Walls (7:11:23 PM): a lot of people
Cross the Walls (7:11:27 PM): are saying you cant kill at early percents
Cross the Walls (7:11:32 PM): but they need to take a history lesson
Cross the Walls (7:11:35 PM): and watch old melee vids
Cross the Walls (7:11:40 PM): even in saying that though
Cross the Walls (7:12:12 PM): haha
Cross the Walls (7:12:17 PM): like
Cross the Walls (7:12:22 PM): as an example
Cross the Walls (7:12:26 PM): you can still kill way early
Cross the Walls (7:12:29 PM): like with luigi
Cross the Walls (7:12:32 PM): i ran at ed
Cross the Walls (7:12:37 PM): (olimar)
Cross the Walls (7:12:46 PM): dthrow, fair, fair, run (keep momentum)
Cross the Walls (7:12:51 PM): jump, bair, bair
Cross the Walls (7:12:53 PM): dead
GerbilMortar (7:12:56 PM): O.o
Cross the Walls (7:13:02 PM): it took like 6 seconds maybe?
GerbilMortar (7:13:08 PM): wow......
Cross the Walls (7:13:13 PM): and there was no way he could get back
Cross the Walls (7:13:14 PM): oh
Cross the Walls (7:13:16 PM): olimar
Cross the Walls (7:13:20 PM): you can hit the pikmin
Cross the Walls (7:13:22 PM): if they are in line
Cross the Walls (7:13:28 PM): but you can if they are desynched
Cross the Walls (7:13:35 PM): dunno if you heard that
Cross the Walls (7:13:41 PM): but if he throws them at you
Cross the Walls (7:13:45 PM): you can hit them, and they die haha
Cross the Walls (7:13:57 PM): it takes about 1 second to pull about 5 pikmin
Cross the Walls (7:14:28 PM): uhm
Cross the Walls (7:14:35 PM): if you try to jump cancel a grab you'll do an upsmash
Cross the Walls (7:14:56 PM): link can turn around in his arrows similar to how spacies can in their shine
GerbilMortar (7:14:59 PM): yeah, there's a "new" technique to do it in that thread I linked you
Cross the Walls (7:15:02 PM): the arrows are highly controllable
Cross the Walls (7:15:12 PM): you can aim them straight up
GerbilMortar (7:15:41 PM): O.o
Cross the Walls (7:15:48 PM): if you land enough pikmin on someone, they are ****ed haha
GerbilMortar (7:15:53 PM): ??
Cross the Walls (7:15:56 PM): if you hit them while they are coming back to the stage
GerbilMortar (7:15:56 PM): how so?
GerbilMortar (7:16:00 PM): O.o
Cross the Walls (7:16:02 PM): they pretty much cant do anything about it
GerbilMortar (7:16:06 PM): XDDDD
Cross the Walls (7:16:06 PM): so the pikmin stick
Cross the Walls (7:16:11 PM): and do ****loads of damage
Cross the Walls (7:16:39 PM): we think he's like a top 5 character so far lol
GerbilMortar (7:17:11 PM): wow awesome
Cross the Walls (7:17:55 PM): oh, some characters can do multiple up bs
Cross the Walls (7:18:03 PM): and some can attack out of their up b's, but only once
GerbilMortar (7:18:12 PM): I was told samus can grapple 3 times in the air
Cross the Walls (7:18:21 PM): yeah
Cross the Walls (7:18:53 PM): uhm
Cross the Walls (7:19:01 PM): zss's armour parts
Cross the Walls (7:19:08 PM): do a ****load of damage/knockback haha
GerbilMortar (7:19:22 PM): O.o whoa
GerbilMortar (7:20:34 PM): you basically answered eevrything I wanted to know atm lol
Cross the Walls (7:20:38 PM): haha
Cross the Walls (7:20:48 PM): i'll try the whole air parry thing out tomorrow
GerbilMortar (7:20:54 PM): alright awesome
GerbilMortar (7:21:01 PM): that is somethin im lookin forward to knowin more about
That's it!!!! Hope you enjoyed your new info.
