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All you need is more training...
So that I can be only slightly better? While no matter what, I'm always three steps behind everyone else? Because no matter how much training II do, people always adapt to what I've learned and also adapt to what I've adapted to in regards to THEM?
 

The Stoopid Unikorn

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So that I can be only slightly better? While no matter what, I'm always three steps behind everyone else? Because no matter how much training II do, people always adapt to what I've learned and also adapt to what I've adapted to in regards to THEM?
Okay. If you're gonna turn down any and all tips I give to help you like a depressed pessimist who's allergic to happiness, then what's the point of me trying to help you?
 
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Okay. If you're gonna turn down any and all tips I give to help you like a depressed pessimist who's allergic to happiness, then what's the point of me trying to help you?
First off, I don't recall actually asking for your help in regards to my plight. All I'm trying to get across is that the issue is more deep-rooted than you think it is to where telling me I "shouldn't be that guy when it comes to losing" like I'm just the typical Negative Nancy that can't take a loss is more insulting than you realize. The only thing I want right now is understanding for my perspective.

Second, telling me to "train more" doesn't help me in the slightest. Especially when the issue is just going to resurface again at some point or another. If you really want to help me so badly, try reassuring me that I haven't wasted my life with Smash or try helping me change my perspective and not see things the way I see them.
 

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First off, I don't recall actually asking for your help in regards to my plight. All I'm trying to get across is that the issue is more deep-rooted than you think it is to where telling me I "shouldn't be that guy when it comes to losing" like I'm just the typical Negative Nancy that can't take a loss is more insulting than you realize. The only thing I want right now is understanding for my perspective.

Second, telling me to "train more" doesn't help me in the slightest. Especially when the issue is just going to resurface again at some point or another. If you really want to help me so badly, try reassuring me that I haven't wasted my life with Smash or try helping me change my perspective and not see things the way I see them.
. . . your questioning whether or not you've wasted your life on smash?

Okay i have an answer, did at any point in time you had fun with any of the games?

If the answer is yes, then no you haven't wasted your time on the games

And nobody can just help "change" your perspective golden, that all amounts to you. People can offer their own views and show up all kinds of opinions. But if your strong headed about your own belief its never going to really help whether you really want it to or not. It starts with you first and foremost
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I had a dream that there was a young gorilla in my house creating havoc until it eventually went outside but was creating more issues to the point where I somehow put it in a ball and started kicking it around while I was trying to put it back into the wild.. don't ask :lol:
 

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First off, I don't recall actually asking for your help in regards to my plight. All I'm trying to get across is that the issue is more deep-rooted than you think it is to where telling me I "shouldn't be that guy when it comes to losing" like I'm just the typical Negative Nancy that can't take a loss is more insulting than you realize. The only thing I want right now is understanding for my perspective.

Second, telling me to "train more" doesn't help me in the slightest. Especially when the issue is just going to resurface again at some point or another. If you really want to help me so badly, try reassuring me that I haven't wasted my life with Smash or try helping me change my perspective and not see things the way I see them.
For starters, yes, it's true, you didn't ask for my help, but I like helping people. If you want, however, I could be just like the rest of the Internet; laugh at you and tell you to "git gud scrub" instead of giving you actual advice. Would you prefer that, Goldielocks?

Then, if I won every single match I played, not only I would learn nothing, but I would get really bored (and pribably even quit Smash) at some point...

Losing gives the greatest reward of all; an opportunity to learn more.

You see this sentence up there? That's the way I see losing in so many things that it's not even funny! Each time I lose, I think of what I did wrong and change my playstyle accordingly. If you want to know how much I changed, I was a Blade Beam spammer that relied on Finishing Touches on the first day Cloud was released but now, I'm completely different because I trained myself and adapted my Cloud's playstyle.

Before you say anything, training DOES help significantly. I personally train myself whenever I can. I may end up losing, but those matches I don't win are simply opportunities for me to learn what to do and what NOT to do. Then, the cycle continues and that's what makes Smash fun for me; the fact that I can always learn more.

Meanwhile, each loss makes you more depressed and more tempted to question your worth and possibly drop out and you don't even do anything to fix that.

You're setting yourself for failure at every match, Goldie. A lack of preparation can really change a lot about your playstyle. Of course, the issue of losing will resurface again, but first of all, no one is perfect; even ZeRo, the best Smash 4 player in the world and the guy who 54 tournaments in a row, lost matches. Second of all, as I said, losing leads to learning, learning leads to training and training leads to improvement.

I doubt that I can change the way you see things (after all, I have no idea how stubborn you are), but I felt like sharing my opinion regardless...
 
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I had a dream that there was a young gorilla in my house creating havoc until it eventually went outside but was creating more issues to the point where I somehow put it in a ball and started kicking it around while I was trying to put it back into the wild.. don't ask :lol:
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The Stoopid Unikorn The Stoopid Unikorn Very well said. I can testify that point myself concerning how losing causes learning. With my Mario dittos against Fluttershy Fluttershy , I learned that my recovery game is bad due to not mixing it up nicely and not using the right recovery tools at the right time. I lost those 3 matches, but I still enjoyed learning in the process.

It also helped that I learned strengths about my game as well. Even though losing causes you to see weaknesses, strengths in your game can also be seen as well if you look closely enough. For example, I learned that I can space well when I want to, and my combo game has improved since the last time I fought Fluttershy Fluttershy before the Mario dittos.
 
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By the way, TDMK can't type in Hat's profile because Hat's not following him.

He could either follow him or change his setting to let everyone post.

I had a dream that there was a young gorilla in my house creating havoc until it eventually went outside but was creating more issues to the point where I somehow put it in a ball and started kicking it around while I was trying to put it back into the wild.. don't ask :lol:
lol?
 

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Totally not being lazy in class
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For starters, yes, it's true, you didn't ask for my help, but I like helping people, If you want, I could be just like the rest of the Internet; laugh at you and tell you to "git gud scrub" instead of giving you actual advice. Would you prefer that, Goldielocks?

Then, if I won every single match I played, not only I would learn nothing, but I would get really bored (and pribably even quit Smash) at some point...

Losing gives the greatest reward of all; an opportunity to learn more.

You see this sentence up there? That's the way I see losing in so many things that it's not even funny! Each time I lose, I think of what I did wrong and change my playstyle accordingly. If you want to know how much I changed, I was a Blade Beam spammer that relied on Finishing Touches on the first day Cloud was released but now, I'm completely different because I trained myself and adapted my Cloud's playstyle.

Before you say anything, training DOES help significantly. I personally train myself whenever I can. I may end up losing, but those matches I don't win are simply opportunities for me to learn what to do and what NOT to do. Then, the cycle continues and that's what makes Smash fun for me; the fact that I can always learn more.

Meanwhile, each loss makes you more depressed and more tempted to question your worth and possibly drop out and you don't even do anything to fix that.

You're setting yourself for failure at every match, Goldie. A lack of preparation can really change a lot about your playstyle. Of course, the issue of losing will resurface again, but first of all, no one is perfect; even ZeRo, the best Smash 4 player in the world and the guy who 54 tournaments in a row, lost matches. Second of all, as I said, losing leads to learning, learning leads to training and training leads to improvement.

I doubt that I can change the way you see things (after all, I have no idea how stubborn you are), but I felt like sharing my opinion regardless...
Honestly, the idea of being told to "train more" does come off as the typical "git gud scrub" to me; just a more "polite" way of saying it.

And the difference between you and I are as thus:
a. You can actually see your own improvement; I literally can't. And it isn't a matter of being self-conscious, I seriously can't tell whether or not I am actually improving.
b. You see losing as opportunity to learn more, I see it as that I haven't learned enough if I've learned anything at all. That despite my efforts in trying to learn how to improve, I'm not getting any results that show it. Though that could easily be related to the fact I can't actually tell if I'm improving, when the end result is the exact same (losing a majority of my matches; sometimes very badly), that's not a good sign.
(Had to underline the key point since you seem to think my problem is just losing in general; my problem is the sheer amount of losses I'm dealt with compared to the amount of wins)

I actually agree that losing leads to opportunity to learn how to improve.
The problem is either I'm not ****ing learning anything or I'm just incompetent when it comes to applying what I learned to help me improve..
 

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I've mentioned the only two things that came to being near-death experiences in my dreams before, but I don't know if anyone here remembers what they were.
 
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The Stoopid Unikorn

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Honestly, the idea of being told to "train more" does come off as the typical "git gud scrub" to me; just a more "polite" way of saying it.

And the difference between you and I are as thus:
a. You can actually see your own improvement; I literally can't. And it isn't a matter of being self-conscious, I seriously can't tell whether or not I am actually improving.
b. You see losing as opportunity to learn more, I see it as that I haven't learned enough if I've learned anything at all. That despite my efforts in trying to learn how to improve, I'm not getting any results that show it. Though that could easily be related to the fact I can't actually tell if I'm improving, when the end result is the exact same (losing a majority of my matches; sometimes very badly), that's not a good sign.
(Had to underline the key point since you seem to think my problem is just losing in general; my problem is the sheer amount of losses I'm dealt with compared to the amount of wins)

I actually agree that losing leads to opportunity to learn how to improve.
The problem is either I'm not ****ing learning anything or I'm just incompetent when it comes to applying what I learned to help me improve..
Real talk, the only reason I know I'm improving is because of the people I play with who point out that I got better.

If it weren't for them, I'd probably see nothing neither...

Also, take some time to visit the character boards of your main(s). Don't be afraid to ask questions. Heck, you could upload your replays there and ask what you did wrong.

You don't need to do this alone, Goldie.
 
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