Black Mage in SSBB?

[UltimateLink]

Well, i was thinking, about two weeks ago i said to myself," why isnt there any 'Magic' oriented ppl?" thats when it hit me. Black mage would be sooooo perfect! Well i fist i was thinking of him just doing spells, and melee hits sucks. But then, that idea seemed kinda bad to me. So how about preparations? as in, pressing a button (Ex. B down) and he does a pose. when u do any move that hits the foe up, a fire bolt may be auto-casted. Here is his move set:

A- Just a normal jab with his wand. can be repeated like pikachu's normal A.

A up- crescent slash. just a fast slash up in the air. (as in waving goodbye to someone)


A down-inverted crescent- sweeping his wand on the ground (like fox's A down, only with a wand)

Dash sideways- magical slide- he slides with magic sticking his wand out.

Nair-Helicopter- when in the air, he does an helicopter movement with his wand.

Dair-Magical spike- when up in the air, a shining energy spike comes below him.

Side air-Ice knifes- when in the air, ice spikes comes before him. kinda like a shield for 2 secs

Smash sideways-Holy/Dark X- an X formation using his wand with dark/holy powers

Smash up- Rainbow rising- he raises his wand and rainbows come out from the ground upward to hit the foe upward.

Smash down-Ringside- Charging at different times, he smashes his wand on the ground to create a magical ring around him

B up-Teleport- like mewtos teleport but better, with the range of zeldas teleport, but can only go upwards. Leaves a trail of purple smoke that can deal dmg for a limted time.

B sideways-preparations for Earth Spike, Volcano, or black magic (00.01% of black magic) When hiting a foe downwards (smash down, spike, dairs, etc) an earth spike(60%) volcano(40%) or Black hole (black magic 00.01%) might come out of the ground and hit the foe. (Earth spike, 1 hit. Volcano, 5 hits. and Black hole ???)

B down-preparations for Fire bolt, Star meteor, or Black Magic (00.1% of black magic)
When hiting a foe upwards (up smash, A up, etc) an fire bolt attack(60%)
star meteor(40%) or Black Thunder (black magic 00.01%) might appear out of the sky and hit the foe. (Fire bolt, 5 hits. Star meteor, 1 hit. and Black thunder ???)


Well thats what came up my mind Oh yeah, i forgot to tell u he is VERY fast and can link a lot of combos using his preps, but his melee attacks do 1-3 dmg to make it balanced. When u do one prep. You have to do it after it does a spell 3 times. Which means one prep.= 3 spells. they all can be the same, different or all Black Magics (almost impossible in any way) You'll have to figure out how black magic is. If u want to know what it is...well:

Spoiler

Black Magic one hit kills a foe. when the foe gets sucked in to it (Black thunder sucks them in, Black hole is the same, but the foe gets knocked to it from your attack.) you'll hear nothing for 5 secs and all of a sudden, you'll hear the cry they make when they die.

Also, i know that people have wanted Black Mage in SSBB, it is not my idea of putting Black Mage in SSBB. well at first i thought it was my idea, but my bro said that other people wanted Black Mage in SSBB. The only thing i made up was the move set. Preparations can be in the air also. So tell me, what you think of this?

 

[Kirby knight]

Interesting concept; SSB is lacking in Magic users. Though the Black Mage seems a bit generic(and wouldn't he be considered 3rd? Party?) Though with a whole assortment of elemental magic he could prove to be a very unique fighter.

Micaiah one of the main characters from the Radiant Dawn(FE10) could fill the role as a magic type character. she uses Light Magic.

Check out her thread here:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=1795140

-Knight

 

[RBinator]

Actually, we do have at least one magic user in Brawl, Zelda. Now I'm not using that as an anti-argument that Black Mage couldn't get in due to that, just saying magic users are not as lacking as it seems to be coming off as.

Anyway, I don't support Black Mage as a playable character because despite what he could do with the standard Final Fantasy elemental magic. I feel like he doesn't have enough going for him otherwise. He's also 3rd party and with only 1-2 free slots for that position, there's many other characters I would support over him, like Geno (from the same company), and I'm not even a fan of him. On the other hand, I do see him making a fine AT, if only because Nintendo seems to have better ties to Square then other companies and thus shouldn't be much trouble to get him in.

 

[UltimateLink]

Well, if he's in a 3rd party list, it would just make him more surprising to be in brawl.
accepting the fact that Zelda is a magic user, some of her moves are kinda deadly.
As i said in my post, black mage in my version is fast but very weak. I guess you could still fight back without doing the preparations, but that would make a plan old normal character. also to that sentence, Black mage is only good if u do the spells. Well about the 3rd character stuff, most of FF games are in nintendo systems. Now im not saying that he has to be there, its just he's the only one that seems suitable for a person who has to use magic in order to deal normal dmg. Which leads to the fact that i, as a opinion, Think it would be cool that black mage would be in brawl cause you have to depend on ur magic in order to kill. Well, if you think this is a bad topic, maybe black mage should be replace by a 2nd prty, or nintendo character thats suitable for magic. In general: Black mage is really good for this kind of role, depending on magic to live and deal dmg, and if he is 3rd prty and if nintendo doesnt want to put in the game, considering this is a nintendo game, they could just replace him, but with the same move set i made up.

 

[Pitbull]

I dont really think that Black mage should be in Brawl because hes a 3rd party character and the fact that he has no major role in any Nintendo game gives him a very low chance of making the cut. Like RBinator said, we only have a few more slots open for 3rd party characters and I don't think it should go to Black mage. Sorry

Maybe he could be an AT.

 

[UltimateLink]

I dont really think that Black mage should be in Brawl because hes a 3rd party character and the fact that he has no major role in any Nintendo game gives him a very low chance of making the cut. Like RBinator said, we only have a few more slots open for 3rd party characters and I don't think it should go to Black mage. Sorry

Maybe he could be an AT.

As i said in my previous post, he could get replaced by a nintendo character, but with the same move set that i made up.

 

[axemangx]

He was in a Nintendo owned game.

Mario Hoops 3-on-3.. even though Square might not give BM because its more popular than Geno, one of the most wanted characters in the game, so... yeah.

 

[UltimateLink]

He was in a Nintendo owned game.

Mario Hoops 3-on-3.. even though Square might not give BM because its more popular than Geno, one of the most wanted characters in the game, so... yeah.

so your saying square is putting geno instead of black mage because geno is more popular?
I also didnt know that Black Mage was in Mario Hoops 3 on 3. Anyway, if they put geno i am going to use him as a secondary character considering that he is going to be representing square. I still think Black Mage has a great role for a week character who needs to use his magic to deal normal dmg :/

 

[axemangx]

No, I'm saying Black Mage is way too popular for Square, and if any character, it would be Geno, because for one, he was one of the most wanted Brawl characters, second, he was on a Nintendo platform.

If any magician, it's probally going to be Krystal :\

 

[UltimateLink]

No, I'm saying Black Mage is way too popular for Square, and if any character, it would be Geno, because for one, he was one of the most wanted Brawl characters, second, he was on a Nintendo platform.

If any magician, it's probally going to be Krystal :\

all ****, krystal sucks >:[ anyway, geno ftw. but if they put black mage with my move set, that'll be really cool.b

 

[axemangx]

True. Black Mage would be a better magician, but. Sakurai wants more series representitives. Such as Krystal, who'd use magic from her wand. I'd love Black Mage. Perhaps an AT, because I'd LOVE that.

 

[xpnc]

I prefer MY moveset:


A button: Hit with rod.
Side A: Stab with a dagger.
Up A: An uppercut punch.
Down A: A Kick to both sides.

Aerial A: A Rod horizontal Swipe.
Aerial Side A: A rod swipe downwards (Similar to Kirby's final cutter attack).
Aerial Down A: A Kick downwards.

B button: Fire, Blizzard, or Thunder (random). If you hold it, it eventually charges all the way to Firaga, Blizzaga, or Thundaga.
Side B: Water (Black Mage Uses his rod to create a ball of water that travels similar to Luigi's Fireball. Once again, you can charge this to Wateraga level for greater effect).
Up B: Aero (Black Mage Pauses in Mid-Air, wind surrounding him. He then creates a tornado that launches him up, similar to the Barrel Cannon, but it doesn't rotate in different.The longer you charge, the higher you are shot up. Can be charged to the Aeroga level.)
Down B: Quake (a shockwave that can be charged up, damaging enemies on the ground only. Similar to DK's drumming attack, but covers a wider area.)

Z: Uses a spell-like whip to pull in enemies, a button attack in this state would be small dagger stabs.
Up throw: Launches them up, uses Thunder to zap them whilst in the air.
Side throw: Punches aside, then sets enemy ablaze with Fire.
Down throw: Freezes enemy to the ground using Ice.

What his shield would look like: A barrier similar to Ness's Down B attack, however it would just be his R/L/Z button shield.

Final Smash: Ultima. (Charges an energy ball in his hand for a few seconds, and then sends a massive blue ball of energy around the entire field. It grows steadily from the energy ball in Black Mage's hand.

Fighter Stance: The Victory Dance from Final Fantasy I. (Basically waves his arms up and down while standing in place).

Anthem when has won a Battle: the Victory theme from Final Fantasy I.

Stage: A Floating Forest in Elfland called "Elfland".
Stage Music: the Chocobo theme

Combos: AA (Two Rapid hits from Black Mage's rod).
AAA+(Multiple horizontal swings of Black mage's rod.)
A->A(A Rod swing, plus a dagger stab.)
AA->A(Two rod swings, and an uppercut-stab with the dagger. Sends enemy slightly off the ground).
AA^A(Two rod swings, and a kick to the chin. Sends enemies much higher).
AAvA(Two rod swings, and a third swing to the legs. Causes enemies to fall on their backs).

Smash Attacks: Up C: Poison. (He shoots a toxic cloud upward. Enemies Percent gradually go up. With Up A, it can be charged.)
Side C: Far Fist. (It appears as though this Black Mage was once a fighter. He punches, and the resulting wave of damaging energy can go up to a Bowser's length away. You can also charge this with Side A, resulting in a more Damaging and farther travelling punch.
Down C: Flare. (This had to be under-powered a bit, so it wouldn't KO every enemy instantly. Black Mage croutches down, and throws his hands to both sides, causing a small explosion that does little damage [3%] to Black Mage. If you do this with a charged Down A, however, the explosion will be three times as large, and would do more damage [10%] to Black Mage. This is similar to Roy's B attack in terms of charging and user damage except Black Mage's charge time is longer.)
(Note:Smash attacks can also be accomplished with holds of Side, Up and Down "A"s.)

Dash A: Element Dagger. (This is when Black Mage is dashing and you press A. His dagger is thrusted forward, either using Fire, Thunder, or Blizzard scaled down to hurt the enemy.)

Stats:
Height - Link's height.
Speed - Mario's speed.
Weight - Mewtwo's weight.
Power - Samus's power.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Geno over Black Mage for Square rep...

 

[Conker1]

If Square gets a character slot, I actually see Black Mage as the one who would get it.

 

[Enigma14]

This is why I wanted Cierra in Brawl, because she is a magic user, who can use weapons.

 

[Link Sharingan]

his Final Smash would be ultima

 

[Cenedar]

In all honesty, I'd be happy with either Geno or Black Mage getting in. I'm neutral, so their inclusion (or deconfirmation) would not affect me much at all. But word is they've got potential for movesets and such. I've seen more of a Geno fanbase around here than Black mage, but I have to say they both sound like unique ideas.

In all honesty, I'd love to see a Square rep in because it would be equivalent to a bullet in the leg of Sony. For so long all Square games seemed to be exclusively on PS2, but now it would appear that Square is aware of the trouble they've been having getting the PS3 off of shelves and into homes. Square and Nintendo FTW!!!

 

[UltimateLink]

i see. All i want is for black mage to be in brawl. i hope with my move set too. Or with any other moveset but mostly mine because... if he was someone who casts, someone like fox could just dash attack or b sideway attack. This just makes him a bottom tier character.
With my moveset, he is a fast character and a combo-ish character, which just turns him into a very weak 1~3 dmg per hit person. Which makes him turn to using magic. Or in my moveset, preparations. With preparations, he'll be like a sheik, lowered down 200% (1/3rd)
Except his combos would be flashy and easy to controll considering there is a spell for almost every move you do, except for spiking.Anyway as i said before, I just want black mage to be in brawl.



Out of topic : Ceneda, where did you get that Lucario for SSBB sig? Can you PM me at anytime soon? thanks

 

[xpnc]

i see. All i want is for black mage to be in brawl. i hope with my move set too. Or with any other moveset but mostly mine because... if he was someone who casts, someone like fox could just dash attack or b sideway attack. This just makes him a bottom tier character.
With my moveset, he is a fast character and a combo-ish character, which just turns him into a very weak 1~3 dmg per hit person. Which makes him turn to using magic. Or in my moveset, preparations. With preparations, he'll be like a sheik, lowered down 200% (1/3rd)
Except his combos would be flashy and easy to controll considering there is a spell for almost every move you do, except for spiking.Anyway as i said before, I just want black mage to be in brawl.



Out of topic : Ceneda, where did you get that Lucario for SSBB sig? Can you PM me at anytime soon? thanks

Mages aren't <i>about</i> speed or physical attacks. They are about magic, hence the "Mag" part of the word "Mage". If anything, he should be a worthy opponent for Link, someone completely based around physical weapons. On another note, when you're a Black Mage in a final fantasy tactics game, you wouldn't send him out in the front, you'd keep him in back, where he can do the most harm without him getting any. Spells are ranged, they can go pretty far, farther than Fox's side-b.

 

[UltimateLink]

Mages aren't <i>about</i> speed or physical attacks. They are about magic, hence the "Mag" part of the word "Mage". If anything, he should be a worthy opponent for Link, someone completely based around physical weapons. On another note, when you're a Black Mage in a final fantasy tactics game, you wouldn't send him out in the front, you'd keep him in back, where he can do the most harm without him getting any. Spells are ranged, they can go pretty far, farther than Fox's side-b.

Well, some people will say he is cheap. thats just noobs though. anyway, does he instat cast? if he does he could just spam. and does he spells follow? if those two things apply, that will make him really cheap/unbalanced. If he doesnt instat cast, he would just get tech chased or hit with a long range move. Either way he needs to be fast enough, weak enough, and balanced out with magic based moves. And anyway, almost every other move you will do with my moveset, there would be a spell. You cant just depend on being ALL magic. He would be like smimilar to this with my moveset. just inmagin him doing a prep every 3 spells:http://http://youtube.com/watch?v=JxVv8SgEYP4

Sidenote:each prep is instat cast

 

[Enigma14]

Well, some people will say he is cheap. thats just noobs though. anyway, does he instat cast? if he does he could just spam. and does he spells follow? if those two things apply, that will make him really cheap/unbalanced. If he doesnt instat cast, he would just get tech chased or hit with a long range move. Either way he needs to be fast enough, weak enough, and balanced out with magic based moves. And anyway, almost every other move you will do with my moveset, there would be a spell. You cant just depend on being ALL magic. He would be like smimilar to this with my moveset. just inmagin him doing a prep every 3 spells:http://http://youtube.com/watch?v=JxVv8SgEYP4

Sidenote:each prep is instat cast

what would the distance be, long or short range?

 

[UltimateLink]

what would the distance be, long or short range?

according to my post, when you do a prep (B-> lets say) and then when you do a move that knocks them up, a fire bolt, star metor, or black magic might appear. it goes so fast above the foe, it is almost inpossible to dodge cause you are stun when it happens. So in general, neither cause it goes right above/below the foe. The video kinda explains how fast he is with spells and attacks. In brawl, black mage would be the same, dont tr to inmagin him walking up to someone a move, a spell comes up and black mage attacks again...no, he is fast and weak, the video explains all, or atleast shows a very clear picture of how he will look like in combat.

 

[WuTangDude]

I think Black Mage is a more widely known character than Geno, which may give him an edge if Square got a character slot. But Geno has a more dedicated fanbase. I dunno, we'll have to see time play this out, I'd be cool with either, though I prefer BM.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I think Black Mage is a more widely known character than Geno, which may give him an edge if Square got a character slot. But Geno has a more dedicated fanbase. I dunno, we'll have to see time play this out, I'd be cool with either, though I prefer BM.

Black Mage isn't a character...it's a class

I don't think BRAWL should have Generic Classses

 

[WuTangDude]

Black Mage isn't a character...it's a class

I don't think BRAWL should have Generic Classses

If you wanna get technical, yeah, it's a class, but I don't see what that has to do with anything...

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If you wanna get technical, yeah, it's a class, but I don't see what that has to do with anything...

It's like having a magic koopa basically

 

[WuTangDude]

It's like having a magic koopa basically

Well, Black Mage is an actual playable character/class, and is a very widly recognized figure in not just FF, but gamin' alltogether, more so than a magical koopa. If you're saying the black mage is generic, I'd have to disagree, I think they're very unique from other mages, especially from their physical looks.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, Black Mage is an actual playable character/class, and is a very widly recognized figure in not just FF, but gamin' alltogether, more so than a magical koopa. If you're saying the black mage is generic, I'd have to disagree, I think they're very unique from other mages, especially from their physical looks.

By generic I mean they are nameless and there are a lot of them...no specific one that stands out besides ViVi

 

[BokutoGuy]

sounds good

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

By generic I mean they are nameless and there are a lot of them...no specific one that stands out besides ViVi

Just like Pikachu/Jigglypuff/Pichu/Mewtwo.

EDIT: AGH, I forgot, no, Mewtwo is not generic, there's only one... but the others are.

 

[Katy Parry]

Personally, I'd rather have a White/Red Mage or Summoner.

Summoner Final Smash: Bahamut

 

[IllidR]

Oh man, I'd love for Black Mage to make an appearance in Brawl.. though there's probably no chance at all of seeing him.