Best Character

[UnF-air]

First off, I'd just like to point out that I enjoy playing every character in smash 64, my main is Yoshi with Ness close behind. This thread is to determine which character has the most potential based solely on moves not on players. This is my opinion on the subject.

Kirby is #1, Here's why:

1) Best F-smash in the game, it physically moves him forward, has monster knockback at high %, and can combo just doing it alone.
2) Arguably the best D-smash in the game, it extends so far in both directions simultaneously and extremely quickly at that
3) Best D-air in the game, obviously the most abused and in my opinion overpowered attack in the game. Incredible combos, amazing for meteor spikes especially cause kirby can go out so far off a stage. I have also seen it out prioritize almost every Up-B in attempts to recover (only Ness's really beats it).
4) The rock. Its good in so many situations including edge guarding and just generally being invulnerable is applicable in many scenarios
5) Up-B is great for recovering vertically especially when you get 5 air hops to get you to where you need to be horizontally. You can DI (substantial distances) while in progress which is crazy and it even spikes.
6) Utilt, anyone that's played a good kirby can tell you the utilt is obnoxiously good.
7) Fair, as if kirby needed this, just another vicious aerial attack to help kirby command the sky

I could make a similar list for ness or pikachu and I hope someone does, but I just don't think in the end that they compare with kirby. Pika and ness's F-smash don't come close and pika's D-smash is nothing compared to kirby's/ness's. Aerial play I'd say kirby comes out on top with all his options.

Alright, let the controversy begin.

 

[NixxxoN]

Pikachu is the best [/thread]

 

[UnF-air]

Fsmash kirby=pika (much different in use, both very good)
Dsmash kirby>pika
Usmash kirby = pika
Neutral kirby = pika
Utilt kirby = pika
Dtilt kirby = pika
Ftilt kirby = pika
Dair kirby > pika
Fair kirby < pika
Bair kirby < pika
Uair kirby < pika
Nair kirby = pika
Up-B kirby > pika
Down-B kirby > pika
Neutral B kirby > pika
Fthrow kirby = pika
Bthrow kirby < pika

I'd say kirby is better overall, its real close I'll admit.

 

[Superstar]

Up-B Pika > Kirby

Pikachu has a better recovery than Kirby WITHOUT the 5 jumps. That means something.

I'd give more stuff but I'm no expert with these two.

 

[Zen Yore]

Foxz. he can do teh comboz on every chars.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

pika uair > kirby

/thread

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

4) The rock. Its good in so many situations including edge guarding and just generally being invulnerable is applicable in many scenarios

5. The rock - it lags a lot, is obvious and easily avoidable. Kirby lags and can be attacked after coming out of the rock. Kirby can be grabbed easily by using the rock.

pikachu winz

 

[MattNF]

Pikachu is the best

 

[greenblob]

Pika has...
better combos
better recovery
better finishers
faster speed
heavier weight
better edgeguards
a projectile
and last but not least, a better taunt

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Down-B kirby > pika

God no... any combo ending in usmash just gets boosted by the down b if it isnt already a KO

 

[UnF-air]

For those of you who think the rock is bad, you must not be playing good kirby's because this move is extremely useful. Especially against characters who have good aerial combos (pikachu) this is a great move for getting back down to the stage quickly and invicibly (not a real word). Its also great for mind games because you can exit rock form whenever. Its an invincible fast fall that also has KO potential, in 1v1 or FFA I'd take it over thunder, besides thunder makes you vulnerable for ages afterward.

And for those of you who think that pikachu's little lighting bolt is better than kirby's suck'em up well thats just wrong. A good kirby player will A) use neutral B against approaches because it reaches so far and B) use an opponents B attack effectively. Kirby's neutral B opens up a huge range of new mind games and strategies depending on his opponent whereas pikachu's is slow and predictable no matter what.

 

[Fireblaster]

A lot of dumb crap

Who the hell is this guy and why does he post like he knows what he's talking about?

 

[greenblob]

Your opponents must be either slow or blind, because who can't see that coming from a mile away?

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

You have -no- valid opinions about this game, stop talking like you know something. Anyone and everybody will be telling you you're wrong if you dont stop being so arrogant. Itll be MATTS! all over again

pikachu's is slow and predictable no matter what.

It doesnt matter. It always connects after usmash, making what would be a non kill usmash, a kill usmash. and via the rapetent in hyrule, ending a combo with usmash with pika isnt hard.

 

[Superstar]

Pika's thunder is best when a uair or upsmash failed to kill. At that height Thunder kills, and due to the lack of normal DI [the DI guide says the only existing kind of DI is Smash DI] and airdodge, thunder hits much more easily than in say Melee.

About Kirby's neutral B - FALCON PUNCH. Kirby's demands you fight an opponent with a good B move, and requires you to capture them first. And even the combo nature of this game, isn't it fairly easy to lose the power? Pika's is more reliable and if it works like Mario's it's a pretty good approach maneuver.

And does "mindgames" seem to be the copy paste "make this sound more smart" word. Many people use that so much.

EDIT: Fastposted. What better way to learn if your arguments have any merit than to have people tell you that you're wrong.

 

[UnF-air]

You have -no- valid opinions about this game, stop talking like you know something.

ouch that hurts my feelings. Its unfortunate you in no way proved anything I said incorrect. Its fun making statements next time try backing them up. Thats the way arguments work between mature, intelligent people. you'll figure that out when you get to high school in a few years.

Also, Pika's usmash to thunder is good, I've definitely experienced that first hand and at no point did I discredit that. I called pika's lightning bolt (not thunder) slow and predictable, which it is (definitely not mario's fire ball). I'll also admit that yeah catching an opponent in a neutral B can be tough but a veteran kirby will be able to do it. Another uncommon yet effective use of neutral B is snagging them off the edge while ur falling and spitting them out under the stage. Against characters without exceptional recoveries this can easily be a 0% KO.

 

[NixxxoN]

The rock is a n00b move...

Another uncommon yet effective use of neutral B is snagging them off the edge while ur falling and spitting them out under the stage. Against characters without exceptional recoveries this can easily be a 0% KO.

Another noobish move.
You and your friends (and no offense) may be quite noobish.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

ouch that hurts my feelings. Its unfortunate you in no way proved anything I said incorrect. Its fun making statements next time try backing them up. Thats the way arguments work between mature, intelligent people. you'll figure that out when you get to high school in a few years.

Don't start preaching to me you little pseudo intellectual pric*. We're talking about smash 64, and you and your friends are noobs, and you're arguing things that have been argued over already and proven wrong.

I actually work for a living, live in my own place, and have a child. Peace.

No one will agree with anything you said in the OP. I can garuntee it. Except maybe MATTS!

 

[NixxxoN]

I actually work for a living, live in my own place, and have a child

all of this with only 20?

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

1) Best F-smash in the game, it physically moves him forward, has monster knockback at high %, and can combo just doing it alone.

It's a good forward smash. Doing it all the time will get you killed by shorthop and z canceled aerials luring you into doing it at a predictable time. Vs say captain falcon you would get down aired and then possibly falcon punched if you were at say.. 67% or higher and popped into the air. Moving him forwards isnt really that useful either, he lags after doing it.

2) Arguably the best D-smash in the game, it extends so far in both directions simultaneously and extremely quickly at that

I find jigglypuffs is just as good too so I see what you mean, I dont think its the best downsmash in the game though.

3) Best D-air in the game, obviously the most abused and in my opinion overpowered attack in the game. Incredible combos, amazing for meteor spikes especially cause kirby can go out so far off a stage. I have also seen it out prioritize almost every Up-B in attempts to recover (only Ness's really beats it).

The drill is really broken, yes.

4) The rock. Its good in so many situations including edge guarding and just generally being invulnerable is applicable in many scenarios

No. If you fall for this s*** you arent very good.

5) Up-B is great for recovering vertically especially when you get 5 air hops to get you to where you need to be horizontally. You can DI (substantial distances) while in progress which is crazy and it even spikes.

Kirby is very easy to edgeguard/spike/edgehog. His jumps are good but a bair will usually get him if timed right.

6) Utilt, anyone that's played a good kirby can tell you the utilt is obnoxiously good.

Utilt is unfairly good lol, dont forget the shield breaker (drill utiltx2-3-fsmash, possibly neutral jab)

7) Fair, as if kirby needed this, just another vicious aerial attack to help kirby command the sky

Good kirby players (malva, prince, etc) can combo like mad with fair, true.

Aerial play I'd say kirby comes out on top with all his options.

This is where you're most wrong, since pikachu has the best aerial combos in the game. he can also use his double jump to continue off the edge and get back with double agility.



Anyway you should watch lots of ssb64 pro videos and see what i mean about pikachu vs kirby.

In my bias opinion captain falcon is the best character,

 

[Dash_Fox]

Best character in the game is Pikachu everyone knows that! Kirby is just cheap but he's not the best.

 

[UnF-air]

Well, I'm glad you took the time to analyze my post and found that most of it was quite accurate. To be honest, I hardly play kirby because its just not very fun or challenging. Unfortunately, the guy I play with has kirby mained so I have deal with his bull**** all day long. Really the only way to not get uber-comboed is for me to play pikachu and use his wicked aerials, tilts and Fsmash. I love the short-hop fair its such a sweet approach and set up for pretty much anything; utilt (my personal fav), grab, usmash, uair, etc. some of the combos you can do with pika are just absurd. Also, I almost want to change the Fsmash to kirby < pika because kirby's is way susceptible to shield grabbing cause he gets right in ur grill. Pika's keeps you a safe distance and stays out for so so so long and has monster hit boxes.
And I can see ur point about kirby getting edge guarded. He is definitely vulnerable during his up-B and usually I get my kills with either Bair or Fsmash while kirbys in air or up-B is in progress. Also, Pika's up-B is awesome, you can get hit in between the "double agility" (nothing worse than getting Dair'd by ness or kirby in between zips) but its much safer and further overall than kirby's.

Finally, I said kirby's Dair was best in game but the truth is yoshi's is way better. With DJC you can do like 48% and then drop a Utilt+down-B and thats the quickest KO in the game.

 

[Mike87]

Kirby is def. teh best chracter in Smash Bros. 64

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

rock is only good on left side on hyrule

 

[AlanCiTuAndPope20]

any char can be the best it depends who uses him =P,lol.

 

[killa k]

any char can be the best it depends who uses him =P,lol.

QFT. Pika is considered the best tho b-cuz of his amazing combo ability w\ his aerials and his off the stage comboes.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Well, I'm glad you took the time to analyze my post and found that most of it was quite accurate. To be honest, I hardly play kirby because its just not very fun or challenging. Unfortunately, the guy I play with has kirby mained so I have deal with his bull**** all day long. Really the only way to not get uber-comboed is for me to play pikachu and use his wicked aerials, tilts and Fsmash. I love the short-hop fair its such a sweet approach and set up for pretty much anything; utilt (my personal fav), grab, usmash, uair, etc. some of the combos you can do with pika are just absurd. Also, I almost want to change the Fsmash to kirby < pika because kirby's is way susceptible to shield grabbing cause he gets right in ur grill. Pika's keeps you a safe distance and stays out for so so so long and has monster hit boxes.
And I can see ur point about kirby getting edge guarded. He is definitely vulnerable during his up-B and usually I get my kills with either Bair or Fsmash while kirbys in air or up-B is in progress. Also, Pika's up-B is awesome, you can get hit in between the "double agility" (nothing worse than getting Dair'd by ness or kirby in between zips) but its much safer and further overall than kirby's.

Finally, I said kirby's Dair was best in game but the truth is yoshi's is way better. With DJC you can do like 48% and then drop a Utilt+down-B and thats the quickest KO in the game.

yeah thats a pretty good point too. Pika is better though, just more options in general, and the up b

 

[NixxxoN]

any char can be the best it depends who uses him =P,lol.

If they were two clone players and both of them play exactly equal, pikachu's player would win.

And yes, unf-air is right about Yoshi's dair... best dair in the game by far.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Yoshi has the coolest everything

 

[Surri-Sama]

QFT. Pika is considered the best tho b-cuz of his amazing combo ability w\ his aerials and his off the stage comboes.

Q F LIES!

not every char is equal, lets see a pro samus (if such a thing really exists) fight a pro "insert any top tier" and keep up in...


~~Winning~~~

Winning is the number 1 killer of samus she just cant do it :o

 

[NixxxoN]

Samus is good in Saffron City

 

[UnF-air]

I've always aspired to one day master the ways of samus but she is very difficult to even play decently. I have to imagine if you were good with the Down-B and the Dair maybe you could do some cool stuff and the Up-B works nice after Uairs and Fairs. I dunno, definitely a tough character to play competitively.

 

[NixxxoN]

Samus is very difficult to own the others because she isnt so good but not so hard to master.

 

[Winston]

Lol the only relevant/correct facts you posted were that kirby's utilt is insane and his fsmash is really good. It's not even the most useful fsmash except when you're playing against noobs.

 

[∫unk]

I think this is just a multi whose doing a niceass troll.

But just in case... Kirby = noob killer. Good on teams too.

Pikachu > Kirby in every other aspect.

Look if any kirby uses rock you're just going to get death combo'd as punishment by anyone good lmk if you ever come to SoCal I'll MM you any amount.

 

[Marios My Bro]

Kirbys block move is very easy to avoid basing on the fact that he stutters in the air for a second then drops

 

[Sharkie Lino]

I like Fox, I guess just because I used him the most.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Fox at Top level play is scary. he kills so incredibly fast

 

[NixxxoN]

Fox at Top level play is scary. he kills so incredibly fast

I hate Fox because at top level he doesnt quit being stuck to you and hitting you

 

[UnF-air]

Yeah, just one reason 64 is awesome is chars like fox and teh captain are just so fast and have insane combo potential, its seems as though one is only limited by their own abilities/knowledge. Whenever I play brawl its just so sad that B moves and C-stick'd smashes can hold their own with quick tilts/combos/fast reactions/expereince.