Bashing characters chances

[Dragonblood21]

Well, well, well. As we look around at the posts around us, it's clear to see there are many people hoping for their favorite characters to be into Brawl. And where there are people who are supporters, there are people who are against what some are supporting. This thread discusses people who don't want certain characters in Brawl, which is safe to say this may be all of us, including myself. Now there are two kinds of critics that I mostly see when it comes to opinions on the character roster. There are those who make an actual debate as to whether the character has a chance, giving their opinion as well as the facts. Then there are those who put down a certain character, but not really having any valid reason at all. These are the kinds of people I am directing this thread at.

So, first thing is first. Why am I creating this thread? I want to get my word out that going into a thread to simply boast a annoying and uneducated opinion about how the character shouldn't be in Brawl simply because you said so doesn't add anything to the discussion at all. All this does is show you don't support the character, which could easily be done by simply ignoring the thread. When a thread gets few replies on a character discussion, then we KNOW he/she/it is not popular amongst others, there is no call for your useless hate spam.

Secondly, I've seen this statement said a lot:
"I have freedom of speech, I may say what I want!"

Yes, you have that freedom, you have the ability to post in any thread you please, I am not saying you don't, but because you are able to do it, doesn't make it any more moral and it certainly doesn't make your post any more important. You want to post something with little importance in the thread, go ahead, but you will be frowned down upon not only me, not only the supporters of the character, but those who disagree with trolling threads as well. Really, all your doing is just killing your rep here at SWF.

Last thing to be said, is to those who really do reflect upon the characters chances of being in Brawl. These are the kind of discussions I like to see, these are the kind of posts that do not just take up a block of space in thread with a useless opinion. Those who actually back up their thoughts on the character not being in brawl with facts as well as a open mind for discussion onother people's thoughts is why these character character discussion threads are created.

All in all, if you don't have something insightful to add to the thread, then DON'T post there.

Well, that's my two cents. I hope this gets some sort of acknowledgment, as I know I would love to get rid of people like this, and I hope many of you out there would to.

 

[TheMastermind]

Nice thread

I'll start with two characters
Geno and an animal crossing rep.

Both of those will not be included in brawl, I'll state the facts

FACT: The 2 or 3 3rd party characters slots will be taken by Sonic, Snake and Megaman.
Geno fans wont deny that those characters wil be in the game.
But there is a chance that Nintendo might count Geno as a 2nd and a half party character...?

FACT: There are 50+ characters that are more popular than Geno and will be included
before they include Geno. Asumeing Geno is a 2nd and a half party character,
that would put mega man into that catigory also leaveing room for another 3rd party like Bomerman.
If I need to I can list every character that has been proven to have a bigger fan base than Geno.

FACT: Geno didnt have his own game. He didnt apear in a very popular game compaired to the other games that are being represented. And theres already way to many mushroom kindom reps.

Ok now to focas on the animal crossing character

It seems all the most popular Animal Crossing characters are deconfirmed. But a few remain.
Animal Crossing is not a fighting game. And the characters involved are very peaceful.
The fans of the game play the game because of the way it was made.

there are far better choices
for FIGHTERS then the villager, or a shop owner or something completely stupid like that.
The game already got represented with a stage and an assist trophy There wont be any more sorry.

Ok I dont want to turn this into an Anti Geno thread. So talk about other people too.
Personally I like Waluigi you can bash on him of you have nothing else.

 

[Hong]

I find it kind of funny how people can't consider the desires of a majority. For example, I don't like any Star Fox character at all. Can't stand them. But guess what, I support Krystal. Why? Because the character has very good reasonings to be in, has had good feedback from the developers and most of all a much bigger fanbase than some of these other suggestions. Infact, a fair share of the characters on my predicted roster I don't like but I want them to be there anyways simply because it'll make the game better for everyone, and not just myself. I wish more people would consider this stance.

 

[TheMastermind]

were you aiming that at me or just anyone who reads it?

 

[Black/Light]

TheMastermind, your first post is epic! I fully agree with you about Geno. (I truely couldn't care less about the doll when I thought it was some NINTENDO owned character. . . but than I fond out that he was S/E owned and to waste a 3rd party spot on him is a big no no in my book. Plus, I think Toad deserves the 5th and hopefully last mario spot more than anyone) and I don't think there will be a AC rep for other reasons though.

Lunadis, thats exactly how I felt about Diddy Kong. I hated him but never ever said he shouldn't and wouldn't be in (knew he would make it). . . . but by all means I never wanted him. (So I guess Im different in the respect that I never wanted him).

I also think that Dragonblood21 should address those who bash characters purely because they are comp for the character they like more from the same series. One reason why I disslike Lucario fanboys is because every Pokemon thread becomes a "w/e pokemon vs Lucario" thread in a matter of speaking once they come in and pop of about how he is more likely. Thats one of the many things that annoys me about them and their arrogant/obnoxious ways and post.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Technically people are only arguing based on their own bias and assumptions and it really it pointless because the characters have most likely been selected and whoever Sakurai, etc. decided should be in Brawl is...

People are bias and sometimes when Bias' class it causes problems...


It happens throughout all of society with EVERY subject...that doesn't necessarily mean one or the other is true...for one, what is truth? Just try and answer that RIGHT. We have a majority belief on what's right or wrong but that too is only opinion

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I don't mind who gets in brawl and I always say something good about peoples ideas.

I'm not going to whinge or Moan about characters being in brawl, I have better things to do like support my own characters, in my opinion it's the bashers that are annoying and not the ideas.

Pac-man? - sure
Megaman? - why not
Geno? - that's ok
Ac rep? - the more the merrier

I don't get why people have to stress out about characters not being in brawl, it's just a game, but many people I've seen are bashing characters like they will die if they don't

 

[Michael Blaine]

lol lunadis. pretending to be the fan of a character you don't even like just because it's popular is lame. i think people do that just to avoid flames. weak minded lewsors....

 

[DekuBoy]

Midna and Tingle
Midna: useless. all she does is give you hints in TP.

Tingle: he's just a joke character. and his appearance might de-confirm my favourite stage Termina Great
Bay.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Midna and Tingle
Midna: useless. all she does is give you hints in TP.

Tingle: he's just a joke character. and his appearance might de-confirm my favourite stage Termina Great
Bay.

Midna is not useless! She helps you fight the monsters in the twilight....areas!

That may be you opinion but that doesn't mean she shouldn't be in brawl.

I shouldn't have to say that if people were a bit more open to characters and looked at the bigger picture. (That other people would want a character even though you don't, like what lunadis said)

I'm not the only one who doesn't mind who gets into brawl am I? Cause it feels like it

 

[tirkaro]

I normally dislike threads like these, but since it supposed to bring SOME intelect into the world of nancying, I suppose I'll give it a shot, but lets see where this goes.

geno: mostly the same things that mastermind and black/light said. I pretty much despise all aditional mario characters, and adding a 3rd party one, especially since there are relatively more popular 1st party mario characters who played larger roles are out there, just seems like a giant waste.

lucario: a lot of things about him rub me the wrong way. I guess its mostly because of his terrible and oversized fanbase (I'l never forgive them for what they did to the deoxys thread) but a lot of things about him seem very....generic. I mean, a fighting steel pokemon. whoop de flippin do. I would honestly perfer the more unique darkrai, even though I know he doesn't have nearly as much of a chance as lucario, because darkrai isn't stupidly overrated like lucario.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Well to be honest I'd prefer Blaziken over Lucario.......but Lucario probably has a better chance so I support him (I still like him...not as much as blaziken though )

 

[Hong]

lol lunadis. pretending to be the fan of a character you don't even like just because it's popular is lame. i think people do that just to avoid flames. weak minded lewsors....

Who said I actually enter their thread or any topic of theirs and support them? If they were to ask me if I liked that character, I'd say no in a heart beat. I don't see this beguiling aspect you seem blindly criticize me of.

Is there something wrong with caring for someone other than yourself? Last time I checked, that's being open and not weak minded. I don't even know why I'm responding to this. Someone who talks like a toddler is trying to call me a "weak minded lewsor". Hard to take seriously. People who bash other people or their belief just because they don't agree with them are no better than mindless trolls. :/

 

[Duality]

I say, the more the merrier, but seeing how Nintendo doesn't have the right mind to just dump so many characters in the game, there is a very small limitable space.

More Pokemon- God no!! Please!! There are way better spots to be filled!

Geno- I don't even see why everyone likes him so much. I had NO idea who he was until I saw all the fanboys here. "After destroying Smithy and reclaiming all seven Star Pieces, again a beam of light radiates from Geno, rendering the doll lifeless, and the otherworldly traveler bids farewell to his allies in order to repair Star Road."-Wikipedia. Geno is only a beam of light, and he ditched the doll, so he's kinda dead.

 

[Hong]

The only concern is; Can this character offer something completely different from the rest? While I'd love to have every character and their mother, I'm only expecting 35-40 because of how hard it is to make each character well balanced and different. No character in Smash Brother has ever played the same entirely. The closest we got was Mario and Luigi in SSB64, but they made Luigi much more different in melee so it's only assumed anyone who was too similar in the last game will be much more different in the sequel.

 

[Nintendo_Rockstar]

Geno: He only appeared in ONE game for God's sake! And he WASN'T even the main character of that game either... Mario was! He never appeared in a main series Mario platform game and not even in a spinoff game (cept for that item or whatever in M&L: Superstar Saga). He shouldn't even have the Mario series icon (the mushroom) if he's indead added to the roster... The only Mario characters that should be playable in Brawl are: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser and Bowser Jr. oh and Dr. Mario aswell. I'd rather see Daisy or Waluigi as PCs then Geno! If I'll ever see him in a main series Mario game, or Mario Kart, or Mario Party or whatever other Mario game, then I wouldn't have anything against him...

Also, he's just an ugly wooden doll! And he doesn't wear overalls! :freak:

Single starter Pokemon and/or members of legendary trios: Main reason is DESCRIMINATTION! It's just not fair for, lets say Blaziken, to become playable and not Swampert and Sceptile aswell! Or Moltres and not Zapdos and Articuno too. Same goes with Raikou, Entei, Suicune and the Regis, and Ho-Oh and Lugia (I know it's not a trio, but duos count too), Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf etc. etc.

The only realistical playable Pokemon sugestions were: Deoxys, Munchlax, Meowth, Gardevoir (just cuz she was on the poll) and Lucario! And out of these pokemon... only Lucario's left!

Other Wiggler/Zigzagoon/[enter really minor character] type of character: Just NO!

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Geno: He only appeared in ONE game for God's sake! And he WASN'T even the main character of that game either...

Shiek has only been in one game and was not the main character yet he got into melee.
Ice climbers have also only been in one game and they got into brawl

The fact that a character only appeared in one game doesn't work as a reason they won't be in brawl.

 

[Pythag]

WTF
FACT: The 2 or 3 3rd party characters slots will be taken by Sonic, Snake and Megaman.
Geno fans wont deny that those characters wil be in the game.
mastermind did you fail to read the first post?

Hah, looks like all the geno bashers found a new thread.
Megaman shouldn't be in brawl.
He's the cranberry juice of games.
he cheapens the integrety of the juice in which he's added.

Blaziken and Lucario shoudn't make it either, I mean, they really only filler characters...

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

I find it kind of funny how people can't consider the desires of a majority. For example, I don't like any Star Fox character at all. Can't stand them. But guess what, I support Krystal. Why? Because the character has very good reasonings to be in, has had good feedback from the developers and most of all a much bigger fanbase than some of these other suggestions. Infact, a fair share of the characters on my predicted roster I don't like but I want them to be there anyways simply because it'll make the game better for everyone, and not just myself. I wish more people would consider this stance.

Quote for major truth...

There are some characters that I can't really stand that I'm ok with just because a majority of people like them and want them in.

We still don't know if Geno will count towards the third party limit... he was grouped with the Mario characters, not the third parties, so we can't be sure on how he will affect the limit.

And Geno is popular enough to be very requested by the japanese crowd. And he was A main character. Mario was not THE main character, but A main character too.

Speaking of that, Midna is the title character, if we're including so many things Twilight Princess, why not the Twilight Princess herself?

 

[error_alt_delete]

alright since this place seems to have logic to it I'll post my thoughts here. it seems pretty safe.

geno-
why? well I am glad you asked.
1.he is owned by S/E, I dont care about that "2 1/2 party" stuff its doesnt make a difference. he is owned by S/E, its black and white simple.
2.he is a mario character, we got plenty, and there are plenty of 1st party mario characters that can have unique movesets to fil the space that was doctor mario.
3.combining these, geno is a mario rep thats is third party, why would nintendo pay for a rep for their own series?
4.there are characters that are from other franchises that can bring more to the buisness table. characters like megaman, bomberman, rayman(so many mans). and all of these can bring in a franchise that isnt nintendo.
5.the over population rule, we dont want too many mario reps, I think 4-5 is enough, and we can expect there to be a mario rep thats first party to replace the Doc.
6. he wasnt THE main character. MARIO is the main character MARIO of smrpg. last time I checked your following HIS story, HIS name is in the title, and HE is what the story revolves around. geno has a major role, but he isnt the same as mario.
I know this is asking to die but I needed to vent on the puppet.

 

[Black/Light]

The only realistical playable Pokemon sugestions were: Deoxys, Munchlax, Meowth, Gardevoir (just cuz she was on the poll) and Lucario! And out of these pokemon... only Lucario's left!

Lies, Lies Lies. I guess Char/ Squirt/ Ivy were expected right?

Ya see, this is one thing that really annoys me about Lucario fanboys. . . .they refuse to incorperate anything other than the pokeballs into acount of what pokemon "could" be playable. That fan made list was never the limate to what pokemon can become PC and Red proves this so that list of pokemon is moot.


And I agree with tirkaro. I mean, if you have to scrap up trival reasons for a pokemon to be in brawl as a PC than said pokemon probly shouldn't be in brawl as a pc in the first place. Theres not one pokemon thats ever been a PC in smash who didn't have a clear-cut reason to be in. Lucario fanboys seem to try to make a mount out of small mole-hills which I wouldn't care about if there weren't soo many of them using the same annoying mole-hills as reasons why Lucario somehow "deserves" to be a PC more than any other pokemon.

 

[Tyrannotaur]

The only thing that annoys me is when people feel that there shouldn't be anymore Pokémon reps. Three more isn't alot to add. Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Lucario/New Character. I say it does deserve a little bit of "Overpopulation". I understand that there are other Nintendo series to consider..but none of them except Mario have outsold Pokémon. Pokémon Diamond and Pearl have been the top D games since they came out, and will probably be pretty high up there, even when the inevitable sequels are released. To simply say that two characters is enough because you don't like that series is foolish. I know Pokémon trainer counts as three characters in some people's eyes. But I don't consider Shiek or Zero Suit Samus playable characters, as you can't select them from the selection screen (sheik remains to be confirmed on this). The same thing goes with Charizard, Ivysaur and Squirtle. You select Red. Red then controls the pokémon. You give him the orders to give to the Pokémon. So I consider Pokémon Trainer (red) as one character. Then you have Pikachu. Giving us a total of two. Surely three more isn't alot.
Mario is sure to get another PC, and it deserves another PC. Zelda, DK and Starfox deserve more than one or two PCs as well. It's the series' like Wario Ware, Kid Icarus, F-Zero, that I see as only having one. F-zero has the potential for two. Jigglypuff is practically confirmed, being in the last two games, and always being the first you unlock. Mewtwo has the possibility to return, revamped like Bowser was. And since Deoxys is Pokéball'd, the only real replacement for a Pokémon "Villain" is Darkrai, which is unlikely. I can see him as a boss though. Then we have the spot for a fourth gen/third gen rep. I think the Pokéballs alone rep both gens, but there is a possibility of another character like Lucario or Plusle & Minun of getting in. It all depends on Sakurai and the smash team. In short I just don't like when people claim that the Pokémon franchise has been "over repped" when it really hasn't.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

There is a clear cut reason why Lucario should be in brawl, he's popular among the fans and last time I checked sakurai was listening to the fans.

I won't be losing any sleep if he isn't in brawl though, just think it might be nice.....

 

[Black/Light]

There is a clear cut reason why Lucario should be in brawl, he's popular among the fans and last time I checked sakurai was listening to the fans.

I won't be losing any sleep if he isn't in brawl though, just think it might be nice.....

Theres many pokemon more popular than Lucario. He is just the fav on a hand full of smash sites like this

A bit of popularity alone isn't what I call a "clear cut reason". Look at the pokemon in 64, Melee and the 3 PC that make up Red in brawl than look at the Pokeballed pokemon in brawl and you will see a clear difference between just being popular and having a clear cut reason.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Theres many pokemon more popular than Lucario. He is just the fav on a hand full of smash sites like this

A bit of popularity alone isn't what I call a "clear cut reason". Look at the pokemon in 64, Melee and the 3 PC that make up Red in brawl than look at the Pokeballed pokemon in brawl and you will see a clear difference between just being popular and having a clear cut reason.

I think Jigglypuff got into smash bros because of popularity alone. (Sakurai you better put her in!)

 

[Black/Light]

I think Jigglypuff got into smash bros because of popularity alone. (Sakurai you better put her in!)

Thats a whole other rank your talking about. Jpuff was 2nd to Pika in popularity. Not only that, it also fulls the "female figure" role for pokemon in smash ( I have a list for explaining this. If you want to know what Im talking about that look on the last page of the Krystal thread).

Ever pokemon in smash is hugely popular. . . .but thats not the only reason any of them got picked (and again, there are many other pokemon more popular than Lucario. For popularity alone to be a "clear cut" reason for him than he would have to be in the ranks of Jpuff/ Pika/ Mew2/ Char/ Red or even Meowth ALONG with another reason to be in).

Theres alot of pokemon that had popularity alone as a reason to be in and. . . and they got balled. . .

 

[TheMastermind]

Pokemon is a HUGE series, there thats why Theres a whole set of items just for them.
Theres Pikachu and Pokemon Trainer confirmed, and Jigglepuff will probably make it too.
But What about Mewtwo and Lucario?

I think they will both be included because of 1 simple fact.

FACT: In Melee There 4 Pokemon reps with only 26 characters
Thats almost 1 6th of the character roaster was pokemon.
This time around theres gonna be alot more characters than 26, and there will be more pokemon also.
So 5 reps isnt alot conpaired to the amount they put into Melee, and Lucario and Mewtwo are
the most popular choices.

 

[TidalSpiral]

lol lunadis. pretending to be the fan of a character you don't even like just because it's popular is lame. i think people do that just to avoid flames. weak minded lewsors....

Lunadis said he/she doesn't like them but supports their inclusion for the better fun of all. Nothing about acting like a fan.

Personally I'm not really vocal about the characters I don't like, I don't see the point of trying to riddle someone's dream with bullets of logic / opinion. The exception is threads that specifically pit two characters against each other (e.g. Tingle VS Waluigi... bad example but oh well).

I'd also like to see no more playable Pokemon, unless they take one out in return just because I'm not a Pokemon fan.

 

[volbound1700]

Jabba the Hut has a great chance of making it as a third party representative... I mean he is a fat pile of lard that can barely move. He would be a great playable character for brawl and represents a series that is far more popular then even Smash itself or Halo.

Jabba ftw.

 

[volbound1700]

As for Lucario... I honestly think Jigg, Mewtwo, and him might all make it to round out 5 playable Pokemons.

 

[Insurance Salesman]

Personally, I am usually annoyed greatly when I hear people say that the Twilight Princess, Midna, should be in Brawl. I mean, she:

-Has been in 1 game.

-Is not even the main character of that one game.

-Never really fights by herself, except in a form that could only be used as a Smash Move

Overall, I just don't see why she should get in so badly. If Legend of Zelda really needed more represenatatives, they could use Vaati, who has been in several games as the main antagonist.

 

[volbound1700]

Personally, I am usually annoyed greatly when I hear people say that the Twilight Princess, Midna, should be in Brawl. I mean, she:

-Has been in 1 game.

-Is not even the main character of that one game.

-Never really fights by herself, except in a form that could only be used as a Smash Move

Overall, I just don't see why she should get in so badly. If Legend of Zelda really needed more represenatatives, they could use Vaati, who has been in several games as the main antagonist.

Agreed, I disagree with all these 1 game minor characters. I would rather see the main character from a minor series like Dig Dug or Mike from Star Tropics then to see a minor character that has been only on one game and was not playable.

 

[Black/Light]

Personally, I am usually annoyed greatly when I hear people say that the Twilight Princess, Midna, should be in Brawl. I mean, she:

-Has been in 1 game.

-Is not even the main character of that one game.

-Never really fights by herself, except in a form that could only be used as a Smash Move

Overall, I just don't see why she should get in so badly. If Legend of Zelda really needed more represenatatives, they could use Vaati, who has been in several games as the main antagonist.

-Shiek was only in one game. Besides, she played a important role in said game (the whole story revoled around her. One could say she more of a main character, story wise, than Link)

-The game is titled after her and story wise she is very much a "main character".

-Before melee Zelda/ Shiek never did any fighting on her own. Besides, she actually killed Zant in Imp form and helps you fight anytime your in Wolf Link mode.

With all the TP thats in Brawl I can't see any reason to not include the most note-able new LoZ character that comes from said game. Plus, I see the LoZ series getting at least one character removed from melee.

 

[TheMastermind]

Shiek was only added because the Zelda character they made was boreing.
I dare you to say the same about link. Mida played an important role.
But since she only in TP, I dont think they wil make every zelda character represent 1 game.

Thats why Shiek will return and Midna wont. Because they already represented Twilight princess
by make link and Zeldas designs after the game.

 

[Black/Light]

Shiek was only added because the Zelda character they made was boreing.
I dare you to say the same about link. Mida played an important role.
But since she only in TP, I dont think they wil make every zelda character represent 1 game.

Thats why Shiek will return and Midna wont. Because they already represented Twilight princess
by make link and Zeldas designs after the game.

. . .Im sorry but I don't understand what your talking about. Please explain?

 

[TheMastermind]

They already represented Twilight princess with 2 character designs.
The Zelda is a big univerce shiek is representing another game.
And if WW link makes it he will be representing another game.
So Midna wont make it because its the same game that 2 other characters are already representing.

 

[XeroHarsh]

"Black/Light" -I think Toad deserves the 5th and hopefully last mario spot more than anyone)

No lol, Toad stays as peaches tool. nuff said.

 

[shadenexus18]

I find it kind of funny how people can't consider the desires of a majority. For example, I don't like any Star Fox character at all. Can't stand them. But guess what, I support Krystal. Why? Because the character has very good reasonings to be in, has had good feedback from the developers and most of all a much bigger fanbase than some of these other suggestions. Infact, a fair share of the characters on my predicted roster I don't like but I want them to be there anyways simply because it'll make the game better for everyone, and not just myself. I wish more people would consider this stance.

Hmmm.....you hate Krystal and yet you support her? This is quite unorthodox indeed....

Anyways, I hate the Pikmin series and I can't stand Olimar with all of my being. But when he comes confirmed, he'll be on my "training dummy" hit list, so it's all good.

 

[volbound1700]

Ok here is a character that is unbashable but will not make brawl

Bugs Bunny - Third Party

Reasons: Numerous Television shows that predate Game and Watch, was on NES and SNES, would bring a very large fan following, would be great moveset with a lot of unique moves, would bring a lot of media attention to brawl, May be more popular then Mario.

Reasons Not: ??? More known for TV?

 

[Zevox]

Personally, I am usually annoyed greatly when I hear people say that the Twilight Princess, Midna, should be in Brawl. I mean, she:

-Has been in 1 game.

-Is not even the main character of that one game.

-Never really fights by herself, except in a form that could only be used as a Smash Move

Overall, I just don't see why she should get in so badly. If Legend of Zelda really needed more represenatatives, they could use Vaati, who has been in several games as the main antagonist.

Now, I absolutely have to disagree with you here.

On your first point, I would agree, but theres a precedent which indicates this isn't that big of a deal: Sheik. She was only from one Zelda game, and had little role in it, yet she got in, and as a non-clone in a rushed game no less. Besides, with the Zelda series, once you get past the big three, recurring characters are rare and always either minor or unpopular anyway.

On your second, I'd say you're dead wrong. Midna is very much so the main character of Twilight Princess. The entire story revolves around her - her lost kingdom, her stolen powers, Zant and Ganondorf's abuse of her realm, her desire to restore both her realm and the real world to normal, her knowledge of how to go about it. Link was little more than her puppet throughout the game, and certainly Zelda was little more than a dead weight throughout - just a distant damsel-in-distress who gives a little help in the final battle.

As for that last, so what? Game & Watch, Zelda, Captain Falcon, and others never fought at all before being in SSB. That never has and never will matter.

As for Vaati, he has the little issue of popularity - namely, his pales in comparison to Midna's. Honestly, I'm not even sure hes more popular than Skull Kid, and nobody in their right mind believes he could really get in.

They already represented Twilight princess with 2 character designs.
The Zelda is a big univerce shiek is representing another game.
And if WW link makes it he will be representing another game.
So Midna wont make it because its the same game that 2 other characters are already representing.

You're making a pretty fallacious assumption here. Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf represent the entire series, not just Twilight Princess, because they are omnipresent throughout the series - they merely use the Twilight Princess designs because those are the most recent, so theres no need to do any altering to them to make them fit on the Wii. What games any further Zelda characters come from is irrelevant, since the whole series is well represented by its main characters already anyway.

Zevox