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Baseball Plagued by Steroids?

Makaveli X

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Baseball is a sport that I've never been fascinated by; however, I think that any sport in of itself is special in its own way. Baseball has its own rules and talent can be seen on various teams.

Unfortunately baseball has been plagued with steroid usage that it makes the game illegitimate. Records are broken due to steroids. It has nothing to do with the individual talent, but by the use of performance enhancing drugs. Manny Ramirez from the LA Dodgers was caught for the usage of steroids. Joe Torre, the manager of the team, said something to the extent of its baseball that's being ruined. Baseball isn't based solely on talent anymore but more on drugs used to enhance their ability. Although talent I suppose has somewhat to do with their ability, its illegitimizes the game in my opinion. What are your thoughts?
 

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Why do you think people like sports so much? Every sport uses steroids to make it better. Except for bowling... Anyway, without steroids we wouldn't have all the sports legends. Mike Tyson, Micheal Jordan, Tiger Woods, and even Babe Ruth used them...
 

Makaveli X

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Mike Tyson I'd believe but I'm not sure. I know Ruth did them. Tiger Woods I'm not sure about and I think the usage of Steroid with Jordan was and probably is still circulating with no concrete facts.

Baseball is affected the most out of all sports and the usage of steroids varies from sport to sport. Some punishments in different sports are more severe than others.

Although you usually don't see it in Basketball, a player from Orlando was found taking performance enhancement drugs. Although he claimed it was something over the counter and didn't realize there was something that enhanced his performance and should've checked with a specialist. The usage in basketball and other sports isn't as prominent as baseball.
 

1048576

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Baseball is the most ridiculous sport ever. I can tolerate football, and that stops every four seconds for the better part of a minute, but this is just absurd. It stops every 15 seconds for like a second of action. We see the exact same actions literally 150 times a game. The rules are also incredibly arbitrary. Who made up 3 strikes, 3 outs, 4 balls, and 4 bases? It's so stupid when a team gets 9 hits against a team who gets 2 hits and loses 1-0 because the other team happened to have their hits in the same inning. There's also way too much luck involved. If you take the best players from any other sport and put them on the same team, that team would end up close to 1.000 win rate at the end of the season. In baseball, the team might go 0.750, but prolly less than that. Every single stat that's brought up seems like oooh aah or whatever until you realize that with so many records and so many players and such a long season that almost everything that happens is statistically bound to happen.

In sum, who cares about baseball and how many steroids it's players inject on a daily basis?
 

Scott!

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Baseball is the most ridiculous sport ever. I can tolerate football, and that stops every four seconds for the better part of a minute, but this is just absurd. It stops every 15 seconds for like a second of action. We see the exact same actions literally 150 times a game. The rules are also incredibly arbitrary. Who made up 3 strikes, 3 outs, 4 balls, and 4 bases? It's so stupid when a team gets 9 hits against a team who gets 2 hits and loses 1-0 because the other team happened to have their hits in the same inning. There's also way too much luck involved. If you take the best players from any other sport and put them on the same team, that team would end up close to 1.000 win rate at the end of the season. In baseball, the team might go 0.750, but prolly less than that. Every single stat that's brought up seems like oooh aah or whatever until you realize that with so many records and so many players and such a long season that almost everything that happens is statistically bound to happen.

In sum, who cares about baseball and how many steroids it's players inject on a daily basis?
Your analysis of baseball makes me sad. All sports have arbitrary rules. Why is it 10 yards for a 1st down in football? Why it the hoop 10 feet high or whatever in basketball? Why are quarters 15 minutes long? As for your theories on comparative dream teams across different sports, I don't know where that's coming from. It's all hypothetical.

And why shouldn't a team that gets fewer hits but makes them count get the win? Baseball, like most big sports, is a team sport. The games should be decided by which team is better. The team that gets 9 hits but can't do anything obviously can't succeed as a team, while the other team made its hits count. It's like saying that the football team that throws two 50 yard passes in each quarter but never score should beat a team that throws two 50 yard passes in the same possession and score the only TD of the game. That's just silly and doesn't make sense.
 

GTA_Hater_331

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Looking at the first post, I agree. It doesn't seem like anyone's playing fair anymore. It feels like you can't read 10 sports articles without finding a steroid/HGH/Performance Enhancing Drug scandal anymore.
 

1048576

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Your analysis of baseball makes me sad. All sports have arbitrary rules. Why is it 10 yards for a 1st down in football? Why it the hoop 10 feet high or whatever in basketball? Why are quarters 15 minutes long? As for your theories on comparative dream teams across different sports, I don't know where that's coming from. It's all hypothetical.

And why shouldn't a team that gets fewer hits but makes them count get the win? Baseball, like most big sports, is a team sport. The games should be decided by which team is better. The team that gets 9 hits but can't do anything obviously can't succeed as a team, while the other team made its hits count. It's like saying that the football team that throws two 50 yard passes in each quarter but never score should beat a team that throws two 50 yard passes in the same possession and score the only TD of the game. That's just silly and doesn't make sense.
Most sports only have one or two arbitrary rules, and they tend to use numbers that make sense. 10 feet, at the time, was probably the lowest whole number that prevented dunking.

It's coming from the fact that the best baseball team ever went like 120-42. The best basketball team went 72-10. The best football team was perfect, although I'll concede that they don't play enough games for the results to be statistically significant, and the best hockey team prolly won at least 65 (I'm too lazy to look it up)

In football, play resumes where you are after the first and third quarters, so your idea would have the better team win. Furthermore, field position after the punt matters, so if they are going 3 and out, you'll prolly get a TD with one 50-yard-pass.

Make hits count is the same as 'get lucky because you did well at the time it matters.' It's like if I hit you in Brawl right into Pictochat's spikes. Dep derp I got my hit at the right time I deserve to win. Even better, what if the one Judgment Hammer I connect with the whole match is a '9.' Total skill, right?

Honestly, if you can't refute the arguments you made by yourself, then I'm prolly wasting my time with this post.
 

Shade613

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The teams are paid by advertisers. Wouldn't make sense to advertise with the world's best team to make money. The teams are just doing whatever gets them paid more.
 

Scott!

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Most sports only have one or two arbitrary rules, and they tend to use numbers that make sense. 10 feet, at the time, was probably the lowest whole number that prevented dunking.

It's coming from the fact that the best baseball team ever went like 120-42. The best basketball team went 72-10. The best football team was perfect, although I'll concede that they don't play enough games for the results to be statistically significant, and the best hockey team prolly won at least 65 (I'm too lazy to look it up)

In football, play resumes where you are after the first and third quarters, so your idea would have the better team win. Furthermore, field position after the punt matters, so if they are going 3 and out, you'll prolly get a TD with one 50-yard-pass.

Make hits count is the same as 'get lucky because you did well at the time it matters.' It's like if I hit you in Brawl right into Pictochat's spikes. Dep derp I got my hit at the right time I deserve to win. Even better, what if the one Judgment Hammer I connect with the whole match is a '9.' Total skill, right?

Honestly, if you can't refute the arguments you made by yourself, then I'm prolly wasting my time with this post.
Well, I think I'm a bit confused by some of what you're saying. I don't see how getting hits in baseball is anything other than skill. They swing the bat and hit the ball the pitcher threw. Where's the luck? Getting a hit while a runner is on base is a sign of skill under pressure. It's not like they close their eyes and hope for the best.

As for sports using numbers that makes sense, why is it that other sports' random numbers can make sense, but baseball's can't? The height in basketball is to prevent dunking, at that time? Ok, perhaps 3 outs had a practical reason when they came up with it. Same with strikes and balls. I don't know my baseball history, but if you can make up hypothetical reasons to support your ideas, then I can too.

Also, a reason why even the best baseball teams might perhaps not do so well is because they have generally 4-5 pitchers on a rotation. Even the best teams will have pitchers that aren't as good as the others, and then they need the bullpen too. The team changes every night. And yes, other sports may change the lineups, or have injuries, but baseball and the nature of pitching forces the team to play different players each night.

As for my hypothetical football game, I was assuming (and I should have stated) that the team with two 50-yard passes each quarter only makes those passes on their possessions, and loses the ball without scoring each time, like in a baseball game where more hits doesn't necessarily lead to victory. My example was overly complicated and not very good. I'll try again; more simply, does the team with more yards gained in the game always win? No? But then, shouldn't they? Same idea.

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Anyway, on topic, steroids are stupid. I think a positive test should eliminate all records, past and present, for that player, since their honesty and validity are compromised. Also, a ban from the Hall of Fame. Steroids may make games more exciting, with more home runs and higher scores, but they lose the classic tradition of the game, and the faith of the fans, in the process. They need to ban users for life. Make an example of them, and the game might save itself.
 

1048576

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First paragraph: Getting hits takes skill, but you have no control over whether that hit ends up scoring for you or not, just as if I bean you with a Judgment Hammer. Getting the hit isn't the lucky part.

What possible reasoning could there be behind 3 strikes, 4 balls, 4 bases, and 3 outs? I can't think of anything for any of that.

Football teams typically have at least 25 different players. 11 for the offense, 11 for the defense, and at least 3 more for kickers and such. They usually have players who's specific role is to block during a kickoff or w/e., and we've seen that the best players on those teams can win their first 18 games. Has any baseball team ever won their first 18 (or last 17)?

How could you possibly gain 100 more yards than the other team in a half without scoring? You had to know before you posted that that that's ridiculous.

All those that's were gramatically correct, btw :p

I don't see how steriods are different from camping in oxygen-restricted tents, other than one has more health risks. I just think when players are too good the game is less entertaining to watch, like championship bowling. So CK doesn't throw a temper tantrum, I mean morally different, obv.
 

MarthPwnzer-

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First paragraph: Getting hits takes skill, but you have no control over whether that hit ends up scoring for you or not, just as if I bean you with a Judgment Hammer. Getting the hit isn't the lucky part.
You don't know anything about the sport; A player can pull a ball, hit to opposite field, bunt, uppercut all are done at will and position the ball where you want and take A large amount of skill. Luck has nothing to do with it.

What possible reasoning could there be behind 3 strikes, 4 balls, 4 bases, and 3 outs? I can't think of anything for any of that.
They are rules, why does football have 4 downs?


I don't see how steroids are different from camping in oxygen-restricted tents, other than one has more health risks. I just think when players are too good the game is less entertaining to watch, like championship bowling. So CK doesn't throw a temper tantrum, I mean morally different, obv.
Haha wow I'm not going to even reply to this, it just shows you more then a oblivious then I thought.:laugh:
StinkomanFan said:
Why do you think people like sports so much? Every sport uses steroids to make it better. Except for bowling... Anyway, without steroids we wouldn't have all the sports legends. Mike Tyson, Micheal Jordan, Tiger Woods, and even Babe Ruth used them...
Michael Jordan was never convicted so using him as a example is dumb, Babe Ruth did not use steroids that idea is ridiculous, Tiger woods was also never tested for use.

I think that the MLB messed up big time on never adding any rule outlawing performance enhancing drugs until recently. It really did buff up individual stats, but it was legal so theirs nothing you can do about it. Now the rules are incredibly strict and names are being released. Steroids in sports including the MLB will never be gone completely, but it will catch up to the players and less will use them.
 

1048576

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If players are so abysmal at even making contact (3/10 is considered "good") I doubt they're going to reliably hit the ball where they want it to go.

I'm just saying, and I don't know why you people can't grasp it... baseball has MORE arbitrary rules than any other sport, and there's really no explanation for most of them. At least football I can see four chances means you can't just fall forward on every down and eventually get a first down.

Haha wow you have no argument so you resort to being an idiot. A pretty common strategy, tbh. I just don't know why you'd waste you time.
 
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