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Bandana Dee, the Spear Master! (v(- ' ' -)>↑ ~ Dee wait is killing us...

Do you want Bandana Dee in SSB4?

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Furret24 said:
What should next week's theme be? Or should I not have a theme at all?
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For the next theme can it be Dark Matter pretty pretty please with a cherry on top with sprinkles on top with sugar cubes on top with brownies on top with syrup on top of all that, with another cherry on top of the syrup, all of which is covered with chocolate laid atop Ice cream from the world's finest cows?

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I need news, please give me a Direct, Nintendo.

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I didn't know Halloween was today.


I think we'd all agree that this news drought is becoming problematic and annoying, so what about, instead of just waiting, we make some news ourselves and become the eye of the storm for a bit, it would be fun. It's easy too, we'd just conduct a ton of massive raids on every other support thread here, besides, we're doing everyone a favor by giving them news, it's what they wanted, and while it's not technically official news it's better than no news, right? :troll:
I'm kidding, please don't do that, that would be bad.

Seriously though, I hope Nintendo just does a direct soon, it's not like they don't have things to show, Pikmin 4 was confirmed to be nearing completion in development, and since it wasn't shown at E3 it needs to be announced somewhere, right? I'm honestly starting to get worried about how long we're going to have to wait, I don't want to wait another month :/.
 
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I've been wondering something...

Do those who main Kirby in Melee enjoy suffering? :kirbymelee:
 
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Feelicks said:
What's going on in here is that it's starting to get spooky.


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2spoopy4me. It's even spookier than every Fatal Frame: Maiden of the Black Water trailer combined.
 
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Feelicks said:
I've been wondering something...

Do those who main Kirby in Melee enjoy suffering? :kirbymelee:
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Probably not, it's just their favorite character wasn't balanced properly, I doubt any of them are happy with how nonviable he is:laugh:. That reminds me though, is the reason Kirby so crappy in Melee, that he was 2nd best in n64 and Sakurai felt guilty that his own character was that strong? I always found it odd that Pikachu and Fox didn't get nerfed anywhere near as hard as Kirby, so do you guys think it's possible that Sakurai felt guilty and that's the reason why only Kirby became bottom tier?
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Probably not, it's just their favorite character wasn't balanced properly, I doubt any of them are happy with how nonviable he is:laugh:. That reminds me though, is the reason Kirby so crappy in Melee, that he was 2nd best in n64 and Sakurai felt guilty that his own character was that strong? I always found it odd that Pikachu and Fox didn't get nerfed anywhere near as hard as Kirby, so do you guys think possible that Sakurai felt guilty and that's the reason why only Kirby became bottom tier?
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Ness got nerfed pretty bad too, Fox got buffed hard and Pikachu was still a good character in Melee despite his nerfs. The game was rushed, an explanation for as to why G&W is literally an incomplete character. I feel like Kirby was the victim of development oversights rather than Sakurai intentionally making him terrible.... then again, Zelda has been utter garbage in all the Smash games she's been in and Samus has been bottom tier in all the games save for Melee. Who knows?
 
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They probably aren't competitive players. *shrug*

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Correct. My sister used to main Kirby just because he was one of her favorite characters; however, once we started playing more competitively she dropped Kirby like his down-special. That being said, if anyone plays Kirby competitively, they are either the most loyal of character loyalists or masochists, of course.
 
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MorbidAltruism said:
Correct. My sister used to main Kirby just because he was one of her favorite characters; however, once we started playing more competitively she dropped Kirby like his down-special. That being said, if anyone plays Kirby competitively, they are either the most loyal of character loyalists or masochists, of course.
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tbh t1mmy has actually done decently with Kirby in Melee, but not enough the change the fact he's garbage. He mains Kirby in every Smash game and is the p much the best (or most technical at least) Kirby player in the world so it's to be expected due to his skill.
 
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MorbidAltruism said:
Correct. My sister used to main Kirby just because he was one of her favorite characters; however, once we started playing more competitively she dropped Kirby like his down-special. That being said, if anyone plays Kirby competitively, they are either the most loyal of character loyalists or masochists, of course.
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Or Chudat. (actually I don't know if he plays Kirby in Melee)
 
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Feelicks said:
tbh t1mmy has actually done decently with Kirby in Melee, but not enough the change the fact he's garbage. He mains Kirby in every Smash game and is the p much the best (or most technical at least) Kirby player in the world so it's to be expected due to his skill.
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That sounds like a character loyalist to me.

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Or Chudat. (actually I don't know if he plays Kirby in Melee)
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That sounds like a masochist to me.

(I honestly did not even realize that Chudat played Kirby in Melee).
 
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ChuDat does play Kirby in Melee but only in low-tier tournaments. Even then he gets bodied whenever he picks Kirby, so he goes over to Young Link instead
 
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Hey guys, notice how every Kirby character in Smash was at least high tier in their introductory smash game. Now think if this would apply to BDee. That would be awesome.
 
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Shadow Keebey said:
Hey guys, notice how every Kirby character in Smash was at least high tier in their introductory smash game. Now think if this would apply to BDee. That would be awesome.
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Makes sense... Kirby was the 2nd best character in 64, Meta Knight was literal godtier in Brawl and Dedede was top 10... ya better deliver, Sakurai. The Kirby characters bar MK need desperate help in this game as is.
 
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Shadow Keebey said:
Hey guys, notice how every Kirby character in Smash was at least high tier in their introductory smash game. Now think if this would apply to BDee. That would be awesome.
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Was :dedede: that high tier?

I know :kirby64::pikachu64: were top two and :metaknight: was in a league of his own.

That said, considering that I don't see a huge sense of speed coming from Dee (common in :4diddy::4sheik::4zss:) I don't see him being THAT high.
 
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Burruni said:
Was :dedede: that high tier?

I know :kirby64::pikachu64: were top two and :metaknight: was in a league of his own.

That said, considering that I don't see a huge sense of speed coming from Dee (common in :4diddy::4sheik::4zss:) I don't see him being THAT high.
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Dedede is ranked 12 out of the 38 characters in Brawl (C+ ranking), so he's a mid-high tier character. On the first tier list he was even listed as the third-best character in the game.
 
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Burruni said:
Was :dedede: that high tier?

I know :kirby64::pikachu64: were top two and :metaknight: was in a league of his own.

That said, considering that I don't see a huge sense of speed coming from Dee (common in :4diddy::4sheik::4zss:) I don't see him being THAT high.
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I am not adept at Brawl by any means, but his grab game was supposedly ridiculous.

Shadow Keebey said:
Hey guys, notice how every Kirby character in Smash was at least high tier in their introductory smash game. Now think if this would apply to BDee. That would be awesome.
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I fear for Bandana Dee in Smash 5 in the case. :awesome:
 
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Dedede is ranked 12 out of the 38 characters in Brawl (C+ ranking), so he's a mid-high tier character. On the first tier list he was even listed as the third-best character in the game.
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(It's actually 39 if you count every part of Pokemon Trainer separate, 37 if it's just PT).

That's a bit surprising considering that BIG and FLOATY are two things that separately never work well (unless you're Melee Jiggly/Dorf) and I thought together it'd be worse.
 
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(It's actually 39 if you count every part of Pokemon Trainer separate, 37 if it's just PT).

That's a bit surprising considering that BIG and FLOATY are two things that separately never work well (unless you're Melee Jiggly/Dorf) and I thought together it'd be worse.
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If anything his devastating grab/throw game along with amazing range and edgeguarding ability were why he was so good. He still got bopped by high tiers like Meta Knight (duh), Pikachu and ZSS. He soft counters Snake and Marth though.
 
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Shadow Keebey said:
Hey guys, notice how every Kirby character in Smash was at least high tier in their introductory smash game. Now think if this would apply to BDee. That would be awesome.
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No, because that would also mean he would get heavily nerfed in the following game.
 
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Brawl Dedede had a crazy chain throw game, capable of chain throwing (according to SmashWiki) two-thirds of the cast due to a set knockback down throw. He also had the longest reaching non-tether grab, was very difficult to KO, strong aerial game, some fast, hard-hitting moves and a great, if slightly unpredictable, projectile. His main flaw was slow movement speed, in the ground and the air, plus his weight meant he was susceptible to chain throws himself. It's very alike to Icies being Brawl top tier, but with more exploitable flaws.

Also Furret24 Furret24 MK got nerfed from Brawl (reasonably) but he's still viable. Shame that doesn't apply to Kirby and Dedede.
 
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Shadow Keebey said:
Brawl Dedede had a crazy chain throw game, capable of chain throwing (according to SmashWiki) two-thirds of the cast due to a set knockback down throw. He also had the longest reaching non-tether grab, was very difficult to KO, strong aerial game, some fast, hard-hitting moves and a great, if slightly unpredictable, projectile. His main flaw was slow movement speed, in the ground and the air, plus his weight meant he was susceptible to chain throws himself. It's very alike to Icies being Brawl top tier, but with more exploitable flaws.

Also Furret24 Furret24 MK got nerfed from Brawl (reasonably) but he's still viable. Shame that doesn't apply to Kirby and Dedede.
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He was hit the hardest of the three. It's just that he was so good in Brawl that the nerfs only pushed him down to high tier. It's kind of like Pikachu's transition from 64 to Melee.
 
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Meta Knight honestly needed nerfs to be quite honest. He was the definition of an "instant-win" button. He had weaknesses, but they were so damn negligible because he was good at nearly everything else (godly recovery, great air speed, the ability to combo, fast moves that kill at decent percent and have little end lag, etc.). I'm glad to see that he is still good in this game.

I'm upset that Kirby got nerfed, though. Still, I do enjoy playing as him and I don't think that he is as bad as people are making him out to be, but the shield stun hurts him a lot.

King Dedede... I'm sorry, but I couldn't care if he was severely nerfed or not. I like the guy, but as a Luigi main, he was so painful to fight against and I hate chain grabs with a passion. He still gives me trouble, though.
 
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I like Dedede in Brawl and tried to make him a secondary here especially with a costume having a waddle dee stitching but alas, it was not made to be. R.I.P. Dedede's back air 2008-2014

Also, I will admit I played Meta Knight in Brawl sometimes for guilty pleasure and I test Kirby in this game once in a while.
 
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Meta Knight honestly needed nerfs to be quite honest. He was the definition of an "instant-win" button. He had weaknesses, but they were so damn negligible because he was good at nearly everything else (godly recovery, great air speed, the ability to combo, fast moves that kill at decent percent and have little end lag, etc.). I'm glad to see that he is still good in this game.

I'm upset that Kirby got nerfed, though. Still, I do enjoy playing as him and I don't think that he is as bad as people are making him out to be, but the shield stun hurts him a lot.

King Dedede... I'm sorry, but I couldn't care if he was severely nerfed or not. I like the guy, but as a Luigi main, he was so painful to fight against and I hate chain grabs with a passion. He still gives me trouble, though.
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Take it from him, honestly. I still Dededestroy his Luigi occasionally. :^)

And yeah, as somebody who still plays Brawl online I only use Meta Knight if my opponent's giving me real trouble (skeevy, I know.) Then most of the time they switch to Meta Knight to try to beat me and I get 'em with the Icies. Too good. Overall I do kinda feel guilty playing MK in Brawl, which is why I focus on my other mains.

To be honest Kirby's in a bad spot. I've kinda stopped maining him and only plan to use him as a situational counterpick/secondary at this point until he gets some more buffs. He's just nowhere near as fun to play as compared to Brawl or even PM.
 
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Hey guys, did you know that King Dedede's theme wasn't his theme until Dream Land 2. In Dream Land, said theme was technically Mt. Dedede's theme.
 
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Shadow Keebey said:
Hey guys, did you know that King Dedede's theme wasn't his theme until Dream Land 2. In Dream Land, said theme was technically Mt. Dedede's theme.
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Speaking of, why Mount Dedede isn't a stage already is beyond me

The King is more enough than fitting for his own home stage
 
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