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GamerGuitarist7

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Hey fellow Falco players. here's some videos of me playing a Peach here in AZ. he's way good. lol. but these are from B-Will's T5 tournament in April. Critique would be nice :) i hate fighting peach... advice on general playing is welcome as well. Um, the first match is better becuase its longer and in the second match i just get *****ed and eat like 100 dsmashes. Anyways, thanks in advance, i hope to learn some new ****.



GamerGuitarist vs Light FD 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izf_CRO2Sr8

GamerGuitarist vs Light PS 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFg6AqyXYZ0
 

MrBitter

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Peach's d-smash is so freak'n overpowered...

You're Falco's not bad at all... There were a few things that stuck out from the vids that I'd like to make note of.

First and foremost... You got punished on several, several occasions for not sweet spotting your recoveries. I can think of two stocks off the top of my head that you just gave away by landing right next to Peach, rather than sweet spotting the ledge. I don't know about game 2, but I think you could've won the first match had you just nailed your recoveries.

You also like to tech roll towards your opponent. This isn't always a bad idea, but you definitely rolled into d-smashes a couple of times, and that damage adds up really fast.

The other thing that I noticed was that you full jump a lot. Full jumps are extremely neccessary, but sometimes I couldn't tell whether or not you were doing it on purpose. You full jumped a few n-airs that looked like they should've been short hopped. If those were mistakes, then obviously work on polishing that up.

Other stuff...

Your lasers looked pretty good, and you move relatively well. The Peach player was obviously quite good, but I would liked to have seen you edge guard a little more aggressively. I know Peach is one of those characters that's tough to spike, but it looked like you missed one or two opportunities to put her down.

All in all, not bad. You got beat because the other guy was better that day. Work on your recoveries and don't give away damage.
 

SCOTU

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you could always try to use the lasers to force the peach to come to you, if that's the case, work on retreating rshls (as opposed to the dash, rshl). Sweetsopting the edge is really important, especially in this matchup.
 

d_shep04

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Mr. Bitter is dead on about his points, but another rule of thumb NEVER fight a peach/link/y.link/mario/doc. mario/ or fox on the edge. as you saw she can knock you back, but you did a good job or recovering. had that been a fox, mario, doc, there would have been no recovery for you, b/c you would have gotten caped or plinked (shined) and you can make it through links and y. links up b occassionally. but good matches tho. just practice a lot more and try to stop rolling as much... and work on l-cancels. and one last thing. when fighting against a peach, marth, fox or anybody, but basically them, try to control the stage, dont let them control the stage b/c it 's game over for you. especialy falco since he cold hearted and cant recover
 

Oakie

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your falco is looking nice man, i think we could have some interesting dittos, haha maybe some time. as far as advice, what was previously mentioned, mainly sweetspotting. also in your first match you did ledge tech 1 dsmash but then illusioned on the stage to get killed, avoid that by ledgeteching without walljumping and immediately illusion to hold the ledge again, helps alot.

just watched the 2nd match and realized you do this too much, you shl twice as your approaching and try to do an aerial or or something. i think light caught on to that as well, you lost your first stock in like 15 seconds because of it in the second match haha. even though i think someone said it already, throw in some rshl, more mindgames with lasers helps. gj though.
 

Adi

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Very nice falco overall just a couple of things need polishing up, and those are mainly consistency issues.

- Make sure to L-Cancel all your n-airs and properly fast fall all your d-airs, you didn't mess up that much but the few times you did it hurt, work on your consistency

- Sweetspot; very, very important, the others have covered that well enough

- Work on your general strategy, don't make your approach blatant, throw in more laser mindgames, you were very aggressive in your gameplay relatively speaking, against peach players you have to stoop down to their gay level, this video is a good example of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iof9C2Zoho

Note how rather than what you did often (running into an f-air) he just lasers it out and wait the float to end. Contrary to what most players think, peach is perhaps even more formidable in the air than on the ground, so trying to attack her in that position is not the best option.

You have most aspects of falco down, now you need to bring it up by working on mindgames and strategy, good stuff, hope to see more of you in the future and in Brawl =0.
 

GamerGuitarist7

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Thanks for the comments so far guys :) I can retreating RSHL pretty well now, like i said these are from april haha. but yeah, keep the comments coming i'm really appreciating what i've read so far


edit/ thanks Adi :) we posted at the same time lol
 

Aldwyn McCloud

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watching match 1...

@ 0:14, 0:21 You did a nice job by hitting peach with your Nair, however never land near Peach or you're going to get Dsmashed (which actually happens in the video). The purpose is keeping Peach away, not running towards her.

@ 0:18 I'm pretty sure you had time to reverse SHL + other stuff. Shielding followed by a shield grab or even better a shield shine is sometimes good but definitely not abusable. Peach usually connects double Tap As (if possibly) and a Dsmash to her aerial approachs, which results deadly if used along with float cancel. Also, if Peach spaces properly her aerials Falco will have no other choices but rolling away from his shield, because shield shine and shield grabs will have not enough range while Usmash out of shield won't be fast enough.

@ 0:58, 2:32 you missed a spike opportunity, spike would have definitely killed peach there, while ABA/ANAs usually don't, expecially on large stages. ANA and ABA send Peach off stage but she's quite hard to edgeguard, if possibly always use spikes on her.

@ 1:08, 1:16 watch out for those full jumps approachs. Peach can easily DD + grab/dash attack them or Short hop + ANA them if you don't use them fast enough. On FD jumping is usually pretty bad. If you happen to jump try to use wavelands/double jumps in order to get away.

@ 1:26, 2:08, 2:24 your opponent missed DI on your Uthrow. When you happen to notice this, use SHL + grab followed by Uthrow + Dair near an edge in order to get an early kill (should work at about 50-60%).

@ 2:00, quit using tap As and Fsmashes on Peach. Both can be easily countered with shield/ CC+ Dsmash or nearly any other defensive move from Peach. If you really want to close combat Peach use either grabs (only when Peach doesn't expect them, though.. they're quite easy to punish if they miss) or aerials followed by shines. Shines are very important because once Peach gets tossed in the air landing may be problematic for her. Speaking of the aerials ANA + shine is faster, more ranged and harder to punish but ADA + shine is the only thing capable of stopping Peach from CC + Dsmashing everything you throw at her (and not even always..).

@ 2:04 try to find other ways to recover.. running in a Dsmash without teching isn't really the best. Up Bs towards the edge and short illusions sometimes work. In general, aim for the edge like you did at 3:00 or Peach will just follow you and Dsmash you to death, like she did from 2:39 to 2:42.

@ 2:46 what you did was nice: punishing Peach's mistakes is the way to beat her and it's particullary effective if Peach is landing and forgets to space away her aerials. Dair out of shield, Nair/Bair out of shield or shine out of shield are the best punishments. Sometimes Usmash works too but it's a bit more risky.

on match 2 you just lost your concentration which is awful. Without concentration you did a lot of mistakes you surely know how to fix, like approaching Peach on the rock pokemon stadium or getting wrecked by Dsmash so hard. Also I noticed you timed bad your approachs and didn't use lasers enough. If you want to beat Peach you mustn't approach her unless you have no other choice and spam lasers as much as possible.
 

technomancer

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A couple of other things to work on in addition:

1) Tech skill and implementation with mindgames. You were playing very straight up against Light. SHL SHL nair approach repeat. I would have liked to see more shield pressure, more interesting combos, more spikes overall, and faster play, but the biggest thing is that you were predictable on offense, and teched poorly at the edge. Some techs for you:

The C-stick, C-stick your aerials, you missed a few combos because I noticed you were floating back into back airs
Wavelanding. I didn't notice alot of wavedashing, let alone wavelanding, it's good for mindgames especially against horizontally challenged characters like Peach.
Wallteching - big one that was losing stocks for you.
DI - alot of missed DI's on those downsmashes, you can DI up or crouch the first hit to be sent onto the stage
 

GamerGuitarist7

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ahhhhh this thread is so old those videos at from friggin april and this thread died 3 months ago. someone brought this thread back up but **** i know how to play against peach now lol. i beat this guy in a round last time i played him (the first two rounds i went fox and lost both). But thanks for the tips techno and aldwyn, and now i tech DI cstick and waveland more, and my lasering has gotten hella better so no worries :-D

B-WILL close this thread please!
 
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