Azen's Falco

[NJzFinest]

Azen seems play a wierd Falco. Watch the vid to get an idea of what I mean.

*The video was recorded with terrible quality and youtube just makes it worse, so I suggest using the first link. Also, putfile allows people to download videos.*

http://media.putfile.com/Azen-Falco-Caveman-Doc

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak5BfqP_CzY


Look at how Azen uses his F-smashes

 

[btk Ace]

Azen is a weird player
so all of his characters are weird
look at his Marth compared to Kens Marth
His does a lot more foreward smashs

Azen just plays better than everybody

 

[NJzFinest]

It makes more since with Marth though, I mean, there is a number of Marth players that like to "spam" his Fsmash. But Falco... O_o

 

[Mogwai]

It's just Azen's playstyle. He's clearly not a Faclo main or someone who even plays Falco often, but his natural talent shows through as usual. Azen tends to take any oppurtunity he has to get his opponent into a recovery position so that he can edgegaurd, even if it's giving up potential combo damage. Considering his record of success, I'd say this theory on the game has some serious merit, but it definately looks wierd to all us Falco players who like to combo until the sun comes up.

 

[ArcNatural]

I also think he was taking advantage of the fact that Dr. Mario was sliding too far to grab him. He managed to get a few F-smash missed grab by Dr. Mario to free D-smash. Making the F-smash a move that wasn't risky to spam as long as he spaced it properly. Azen just knows his matchups.

 

[xelad1]

Azen is pretty much good to amazing with just about every character in the game. Its not surprising that his playstyles may carry over from certain characters to others. Plus if you watch other videos of azen's falco he doesn't f smash like that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW-sGTvn-Zs for instance.... I think maybe he was doing it just because its a bit unorthodox and he figured he could get away with it a few times. Either way he doesn't play falco for the majority of his tournament matchups but he's definitely comfortable with him he just plays a more conservative falco that uses pretty much the basics that falco needs to win: SHL shine combos and shffling, but since he has solide mindgames and a good feel for the game he knows how to put them to good use.

I know my technical skill with falco is probably better than azen's (obviously I can't know this for sure but from what he demonstrates/uses in the videos I've seen I'm just assuming he isn't comfortable LHDLing and JC shining with falco enough to use them frequently) yet I'm pretty **** sure if he dittod me with falco I would get my *** handed to me on a silver platter.

I think sometimes we forget that one's skills in smash with one character can often carry over. I know I do whenever I see a pro bust out a character that he/she doesn't use often....... and then I'm like wtf HE'S AMAZING WITH (random character)... like when Azen used captain falcon against chudat in MLG one of the commentators was like "why is azen using captain falcon?" and husband responded "why? because he's amazing with captain falcon!"

 

[tarheeljks]

@xelad: i wouldn't assume that him not doing means he can't do it-- the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence (i love Samuel L). techs like lhdl and multishining are not really necessary (multishining in particular), that being said i think he did multishine once.

anyway, i kind of like his style. most falcos just rush in trying to kick start their shine combos but instead they just jump into the ****. B-Will's falco is similar in the sense that he is much more defensive at times. he still does the standard falco shine combos though.

 

[xelad1]

@xelad: i wouldn't assume that him not doing means he can't do it-- the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence (i love Samuel L). techs like lhdl and multishining are not really necessary (multishining in particular), that being said i think he did multishine once.

anyway, i kind of like his style. most falcos just rush in trying to kick start their shine combos but instead they just jump into the ****. B-Will's falco is similar in the sense that he is much more defensive at times. he still does the standard falco shine combos though.

I never said that he couldn't do it, I said that he wasn't comfortable enough with it to use it... the whole point of my comment was to point out that it wasn't a necessary technique. For example back when those JGT videos were filmed ken rarely wavedashed. Why? Because he wasn't used to incorporating it into his game and the dash dance served just as good of a purpose for his grab game etc. The point I was making is Azen probably doesn't use it that much so why would he risk doing something thats not necessary and fall to his death etc....

Once again its not like I have proof of this I didn't say it was a fact for all I know Azen may be able to triple ledge hop laser and do 20 million JC shines in a row without batting an eye, I was just making an observation based on what I saw and making a general commenty about how Azen is good with just about any character he plays despite not using some of the "fancier techniques" that people who main those characters use (for instance also he doesn't moonwalk with CF yet still ***** with him). So basically there was no need to correct me and we were making the exact same point. Awesome yet totally pointless.

 

[tarheeljks]

i don't think you can make that assumption(regarding his comfort level using certain tactics). maybe he didn't use it b/c he felt that he didn't need to. what i'm getting at here is that you are projecting your style onto him. you cannot presume to know why he uses a certain playstyle w/o hearing him say it. thus we are not making the same point and you are projecting your sentiments again, except onto me this time.

 

[Velox]

If Azen doesn't have the best Falco in the world, I would be very very surprised.

 

[tarheeljks]

seriously? go see the other vids in the falco section. his falco is certainly good and unorthodox (which has to help him in tourneys), but it's not the best in the world.

 

[xelad1]

i don't think you can make that assumption(regarding his comfort level using certain tactics). maybe he didn't use it b/c he felt that he didn't need to. what i'm getting at here is that you are projecting your style onto him. you cannot presume to know why he uses a certain playstyle w/o hearing him say it. thus we are not making the same point and you are projecting your sentiments again, except onto me this time.

I suppose you still missed the part where I said I was making an obvservation based on what I saw... I never said this was a fact at all. I don't think what I said is not a logical assumption... but its still just an assumption so I don't get where you come off thinking I'm trying to dictate what azen's style is/isn't. So the fact that you're arguing with me about this is still rediculous, unless from now on you would prefer if I put a big disclaimer that said "this is an opinion" above all of my posts. I think that should be implicitly understood but for future reference I'll make sure to label my opinions more clearly for you.

 

[invertigo]

xelad 1
tarheel 0

lol just kidding. azen rules!

 

[tw0 side]

Well, Azen seems to play sort of like I do, except alot better. Like myself, he seems to play more like a Fox character. The only reason I use Falco is for his jumps, and since his shine pop the enemy up.

 

[cyberdemon]

That's true, multishining is probably one of the less useful advanced techniques for falco.
It's so hard to do and it's not as useful as say, waveshining.

I know multishining it's supossed to be used in combination with pillaring, (dair -> double shine) but it's not very essencial for falco's game IMO.

 

[Nightblade]

That's true, multishining is probably one of the less useful advanced techniques for falco.
It's so hard to do and it's not as useful as say, waveshining.

I know multishining it's supossed to be used in combination with pillaring, (dair -> double shine) but it's not very essencial for falco's game IMO.

Perhaps, but against an opponent who's a heavy shielder, multishining can be the difference between a win and a lose, or an easy win and one who have to really fight for.

 

[NJzFinest]

That's true, multishining is probably one of the less useful advanced techniques for falco.
It's so hard to do and it's not as useful as say, waveshining.

I know multishining it's supossed to be used in combination with pillaring, (dair -> double shine) but it's not very essencial for falco's game IMO.

It's called doubleshining

 

[cyberdemon]

Yeah, but what about when you do 3 shines or more in a row?
Tripleshining? Quadrupleshining?
I think multishining is a more general term.

I didn't even came up with the word, I saw it somewhere in here, so don't blame me >(.

 

[NJzFinest]

repeative doubleshining xD


btw, i LOVE your sig lmao

SHL FTW!

 

[invertigo]

yeah i remember someone randomly named it multishine and it caught on.

 

[xelad1]

yeah there was a long thread a while back about what to call it because JC shine could refer to too many things. All I remember is that some guy wanted to name it the "zander shine" or something stupid..... needless to say we now use multishine CASE DISMISSED.

 

[invertigo]

YOURE ARENT THE JUDGE!! YOU CANT DISMISS THIS CASE >:O

even though i agree.

 

[Rock Lobsta]

Azen plays much in the same way that "pushers" do in tennis. Pushers are people wo are extremely annoying to play because they never put topspin/backspin whatever, on the ball and just push it back over the net. Because they do this they rarely mess up, so when you mess up, it pisses you off cause they arent really that good.

Its strange that he IS good, but doesnt play like he's good. like a pusher.

 

[technomancer]

But Azen does play like he's good, and you guys all just walk into his forward smashes.

 

[xelad1]

Azen plays much in the same way that "pushers" do in tennis. Pushers are people wo are extremely annoying to play because they never put topspin/backspin whatever, on the ball and just push it back over the net. Because they do this they rarely mess up, so when you mess up, it pisses you off cause they arent really that good.

Its strange that he IS good, but doesnt play like he's good. like a pusher.

LAWN AZEN MINDGAMES U WITH HIS F SMASHES AND CAPTAIN FALCON KNEES. But seriously though I know what you mean. Azen just knows what to do and when, he's not about the flashy stuff.... more smashers could learn from him.

 

[captainlukey]

Azen is a weird player
so all of his characters are weird
look at his Marth compared to Kens Marth
His does a lot more foreward smashs

Azen just plays better than everybody

bomb soldier makes this guy look like a total noob....
thats all i have to say about that....

 

[xelad1]

too bad you just made yourself look like a total noob....

 

[mathos]

bomb soldier makes this guy look like a total noob....
thats all i have to say about that....

Yep Azen, as known as the 26-character wonder, is a total noob. Learn your history good sir.

 

[Micheloxx]

okok what i gotta say is that, azen is better with marth, but he ist bad with falco, he is a pro anyways.

 

[cyberdemon]

Wow, I never tought I'd see the day someone would call Azen a noob....

 

[x4FoSho4x]

That's true, multishining is probably one of the less useful advanced techniques for falco.
It's so hard to do and it's not as useful as say, waveshining.

I know multishining it's supossed to be used in combination with pillaring, (dair -> double shine) but it's not very essencial for falco's game



no multishining isnt THAT essentail but its a good tech. and everyone can waveshine even my mother (seriously she can she plays peach) and after you master all of falcos other techs u want to master all of them correct? if i could do everything but multishine im gonna practice multishining. multishining is sometimes better than waveshining in certain situations. and its not that hard to do just practice it as u did to learn waveshining.

 

[cyberdemon]

You're right man. After watching some Shiz's videos, I've now seen the correct use of the multishining.
Guess what I have to do next is to master that technique. Thanks for the tip.