AV to HDMI Lag?

[BeepBopRobot]

I run melee through my wii, but unfortunately I do not have a TV atm. I do however have this laptop monitor, which accepts HDMI inputs.

Would there be an increase in lag if I put an HDMI converter in the back of my Wii so that I could transmit the wii's signal to my laptop screen via HDMI?

If anybody knows, thanks.

 

[BeepBopRobot]

Anybody know?

 

[Strong Badam]

Most likely. Any sort of upscaling will create input lag.

 

[lanabo]

in my experience melee will lag on anything that isn't a crt monitor or television

i think there will be an increase in lag

 

[Acryte]

Actually there are such things as LCD Monitors that have 480p resolution... If you buy one of these 3 or 4 models then you will be outputting native rez. The only downside on those monitors is that they are obviously older LCDs and since its not CRT (instant response) the response time on the monitor is usually crap. There is a Zenith one that has 12ms and that's about as good as it's gonna get. Not a bad deal though considering its flat screen and pretty portable at a decent size.

That's if you want an LCD Monitor... there are also a few LCD EDTVs as well http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=L20V36-R like this one has respons time 10ms not bad. Has component in.

I bought me one of the 30" samsung slimfit CRT HDTVs because it supports progressive scan and has Component/HDMI in as well as being slightly less deep than traditional CRTs.

Also the CRT Sony FW900 monitor supports resolutions greater than 1080p which is pretty insane. Max res of 2048x1536

 

[Impact009]

Your laptop monitor should have a VGA port. Use a component to VGA adapter if you can. You'll eliminate any upscaling and conversions by keeping the signal the same (analog to analog), and most monitors and HDTVs don't have upscaling on their VGA ports (at least five years ago anyway).

If for some reason you don't have a VGA port, then use a component to HDMI adapter, and if your monitor has a Game Mode, then use it. It's faster to upscale from 480p than from 480i.

 

[ajp_anton]

What laptop has an HDMI input?

 

[BeepBopRobot]

What laptop has an HDMI input?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=891280&Q=&is=REG&A=details

Has hdmi port, but no VGA or VA port.

Thanks for the responses, although the one I was thinking of getting: http://sewelldirect.com/Wii-to-HDMI-Converter.asp?gclid=CJz5mOCXoLUCFWlxQgodh1cARQ

Seems to be a straight converter, with no upscaling.

 

[ajp_anton]

Where does it say it's an input? Those connectors are for output only, for secondary external displays.
The built-in display is simply connected to the graphics chip in the computer and nothing else. If you want inputs, you need to go via USB or some other IO port and viewed through some software.

I don't think there exists a laptop with direct inputs like that (for any type, HDMI, VGA etc).

 

[BeepBopRobot]

Damn, I think you might be right. I'd have to buy some sort of USB adapter.

Thanks.

Edit: It looks like the only way I could get this to work would be by using capture card that would go through USB. Anybody know of a lagless one by any chance?

 

[bearsfan092]

I can think of no lagless capture card. Generally anything that goes through something digital will induce some sort of lag, and USB is definitely not an exception. Even recording audio through a mixer takes some delay, and video is much more complicated.

 

[ajp_anton]

Capture -> USB -> drivers -> software...
Definitely not lagless.
The solution you're after doesn't exist, unfortunately.

You might be able to solder your own switch that you tap into the display cables inside the laptop, assuming you know what signal it uses and you can convert HDMI (or what you're using) to it. Good luck.

 

[Gea]

Yeah "lagless" capture cards involve using splitters. Your best bet is getting a cheap CRT from goodwill or craigslist for basically free and worrying about a better solution when you can afford a better TV.

 

[BeepBopRobot]

Frack, I guess I'll just buy a CRV.

Thanks for the help guys.

 

[bearsfan092]

What Gea said is basically correct, except I think the CRT is actually the best solution. I've played on some pretty great LCD's, but nothing quite hits the same level as a CRT.

 

[Acryte]

@ajp_anton My alienware laptop has an HDMI input honestly thats the main reason I decided on it over a cheaper brand that has better performance for the dollar.

@beeboprocket = Negative, just because the signal is analog to analog doesn't mean anything because non CRT monitors have native resolutions and to display stuff that isn't it's native resolution it has to convert (upscale) the image to the appropriate dimensions. That is why I suggested that if you went the LCD/Plasma route to buy one of the 480p native res monitors.

Also I have a LED tv that I use with game mode and fast response plus I use a DVDO video converter which can upscale it in like a 3rd of a frame I think when it has to deinterlace... much less than that I believe for simply upscaling progressive scan video. It's not bad but I haven't played on it since I grabbed my CRT so I can't attest to how lagless it really feels. About to transition to it tomorrow though since I'm trapped on the ship while on duty. Guess I'll find out how lagless my setup really feels after weeks of precision tech skill practice with fox on a CRT.

 

[ajp_anton]

@ajp_anton My alienware laptop has an HDMI input honestly thats the main reason I decided on it over a cheaper brand that has better performance for the dollar.

Interesting. However, does it connect directly to the screen via some switch, or is it a capture that goes via software?

 

[Acryte]

Pretty sure it's direct I haven't noticed any visible lag when playing 360 on it. You have a button that just toggles the screen to view the input from the HDMI there is no associated program that is running for it

 

[himynameisruss]

if your PC can handle it, run it via dolphin. HD melee + no input lag FTW, as long as your PC can handle it.

 

[V-K]

if your PC can handle it, run it via dolphin. HD melee + no input lag FTW, as long as your PC can handle it.

Is there a cube controller-adapter that works flawlessly with soft inputs etc?