Automatic Stutter Step from FULL Dash(Credit to Samurai Panda)

[thecatinthehat]

Panda's Thread
Panda calls it the "Dash Pivot Cancel" It's pretty much the same thing that applies to "Shell Sliding" with Squirtle.
I didn't put this in Twinkle Toe's thread beacause this had to be seen by all Sonic mains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNyJQLOBP1M
At about 6:10 is when Panda does it with Sonic.

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

I swear there was a thread on this somewhere like, maybe a month ago. That, or I've known this for a while..

 

[thecatinthehat]

You mean Zeal's thread? I thought that was foxtrotting into a 2x stutterstep.

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

Well, I know his "finding" of being able to do smash attacks at the end of a dash was known already. Then Phanna posted his huge thread on true pivoting in Brawl, with video http://youtube.com/watch?v=_4tmLsflA_c Which I still haven't really bothered to mess with yet. Is there something completely different here that I'm missing, or is Panda just late to the party?

Edit: Just read through it again. Apparently you slide somewhat with it, or something. Doesn't seem that useful, since you have to turn around, and such. Or maybe I'm just missing something again..

 

[thecatinthehat]

They're similar, but different. Panda's focusing on the slide that you get when you hold the pivot. That's where all his excitement is coming from, I think.

 

[Umby]

Agreed. The slide is the only real hype. Phanna already delved into this a minute ago.

 

[Arde]

Foxtrot into f-smash is actually the fastest way to do this for Sonic.

Tap forward -> wait less than a split second - smash forward and c-stick forward or smash forward and A button.

Phanna's thread also makes better use of this since his method eliminates going back from the pivot.
Basically:
dash -> directional stick goes back to neutral (this makes the char pivot) -> tap forward (char turns around again) -> any movement (tilts, smashes, specials)

 

[darkNES386]

I'm still having trouble learnign the Phanna method... do you actually tap the other direction when dashing to stop and pivot or do you simply let off on the joystick and barely tap the opposite direciton?

I can fox-trot, fox-trot-----c stick fsmash with marth pretty easily. I'm sure the timing is different for sonic. I can do the back, back fox-trot forward c-stick with marth (where it basically looks like melee's wavedash back, fsmash forward move).

I can fox-trot--cstick fsmash with sonic. But I can't do anything out of the dash where he skids consistently. Sometimes I feel like it's faster and othertimes it doesn't work, and other times it seems slow.

 

[pirateguru]

I actually just use a quick shield to get out of my dash. it pretty much get's the job done. You can also turn it into a spot dodge to make it easier for you to hit

 

[Umby]

The ****? Now that I look into it more, this was the same thing I was trying to practice after Izzy made a thread about using phanna's pivot information to pivot into Sonic's fsmash.

 

[TwinkleToes]

Yeah but there's no slide with the smash if you do it that way, guru.

 

[darkNES386]

Fox-trot: Tapping forward to dash but not starting your run. The animation for sonic is that he slides forward.

There's two different scenarios:

1)out of a fox trot
2)out of a pivot from a dash

1) is much easier... in fact, it's the same thing that lucky said way back with tapping back and then forward on the c-stick. Only difference is that you can also fox trot forward if you do this right. Also, you can fox trot, fox trot, fox trot across the map and c-stick fsmash. I find this very very easy to do with marth compared to sonic. There's the slightest instant when sonic can fsmash out of his foxtrot. Otherwise it's a dash spin attack everytime.

2)... well 2 I am stilll looking into this.

 

[MarKO X]

It seems like something worth using... dashing into a Smash attack, like WaveDashing allowed from Melee, but without the other advantages of WDing, but maybe more...

I rather see the move used in battle, though. All of this pivot hype, but I barely ever see it used in an actual fight.

 

[InterimOfZeal]

It's good if you're playing someone who has no clue what they're doing, but is really hard to apply due to how slow Sonic's fsmash is. If you want to fsmash from a dash, just foxtrot it. If you're gonna do this, you may as well just screech cancel into it, or, better yet, ftilt.