ATTN EUROPE Let go BIG!!!

[alucard.ec]

Hey I know SSBB Its coming out soon, but Im trying to get a really big tournament.. the way the best of the best of every country can show their skills, I have one year and probably can get some sponsors but i need to know if there is ppl interested in this..

The ideas its that in less than a year we can get one tournament 4 each country that declares the Champion of every place.. so to the final only the champions will be over.. the country where it can be and all can be disscuss later.. so what you think?

 

[ivootjes(nr18)]

A big tournament is cool, but you don't take into account that some countries have a lot better smashers than others

Swedens or Netherlands nr10 is already better than some of the 'country champs'

 

[Nihonjin]

Ivo said what I was thinking while reading your post.
I'm sure people will be interested though ^^

 

[Helios]

How about we let the major regions, such as sweden and holland, have more representatives than the other countries? =)

Also, the winnings from each qualification tourney could go towards plane tickets and such for the top placers.

My main question tho, where would the finals be held?

 

[alucard.ec]

Im cheking a few places and its about sponsors, it colud be that major regions can get more representatives, tickets can be search over the web to find low fares.. I mean I just Searched and found a ticket to marsella at $14 dolars lol.. But the idea its general .. as long ppl keep posting and spreading the news we can accomplish this

 

[DevMBC]

Everyone already knows I'm the best in europe =o we don't need to waste time on a tourny proving it.. obv >_>;

 

[alucard.ec]

So... You are the champ right?.. maybe and if u still are the champ the next year.. we can invite you over here .. to spain to a tournament.. what do u think?

 

[Helios]

I sure wouldn't mind going to Spain for a tourney (or for anything, for that matter), but I have a hard time seeing you guys actually get everything organized.

 

[alucard.ec]

well the idea its to get ready for next year.. im gonna go around europe in spring and i think the big tournament could be in summer next year.. so far its a lot of time to get everything ready

 

[Luffy Dahean]

Alucard, now that you're in Madrid I could help you

 

[alucard.ec]

I Think you already know me.. lol.. As far i can see It can be a tournament of champions of the diferent regions.. at least with every one of the areas can agree to get save some money for each champ to travel an btw I probably gonna be going around europe in spring so i maybe able to talk with some people ...

 

[TelpeFion]

Actually, I considered this myself recently, but what Helios and Nihonjin already said, about some countries having several better players than the best players in some countries, came to me instantly.

But yes, what about making it like the UEFA Champions League? The best countries get/can get several representatives, while the smaller Smash countries can only get 1/ a few players there. This would have to happen for teams as well.

The biggest problem would be getting everyone to travel. Also, doing JUST this would mean an international tournament with small attendance, which doesn't sound very smart. Maybe having this as an additional thing at an European tournament would be best?

 

[Helios]

Definitely a good idea there, WMK.

Let's say a major tourney has an invite only side tourney, that represents the European Championship. Something like a 16 man bracket would be incredibly interesting.

 

[alucard.ec]

Interesting.. so im new around Europe.. where are host the biggest tournament??

 

[Helios]

Sweden, Holland and France are currently the countries with the biggest tournaments. I dare say those are going to be joined by quite a few other countries as brawl is released, as for instance the UK and Germany will be able to step it up and get something organized.

 

[TelpeFion]

A 16-man bracket was what I had in mind too, at least subconsciously. Or maybe have 4 pools of 4 each, then a 8-man bracket. But that's not the point.

Sweden 3 players
Holland 3 players
France 2 players
Norway 2 players
Italy 1 player
Finland 1 player
UK 1 player
Germany 1 player
Austria 1 player
Iceland/Denmark/Spain/other possible countries play for the 1 remaining spot

TOTAL 16 players

Something like this, right.

 

[Ryuker]

This is beginning to sound a lot like the mlg pro and amateur bracket to me. Do you mean we hold one huge tournament and top 16 enter another tournament? Or do you mean this as a side event and even though the top 16 consists of like 16 of 2 country's or 3 and the rest doesn't at the big tournament the top players of the other countries still get to enter cause there top over there. Is this just to determine whop the best player in europe is ( which is death obvious to me right now) or just to see how each country ranks compared to the rest? Cause it's more test of players this way. Let's say aldwyn manages to get second. It doesn't mean italy suddenly is second of europe >.>. Nor does it mean uk beats aldwyn if fuzzyness get's a higher placing but never faces aldwyn.

If you wanna do this right you haver to hold playoff events in each country and top 3 get's to go to the " Real tournament" or hold these tournaments and let the best of the country decide who get's to go. All these players then represent their country in 16 man bracket or something much like the finals tournament of mlg was last year.

So I'm pretty confused by what we mean to determine by this and why we can't just hold one big tournament with all the country's represented by their top players and winner gets the prize. A 3 man crew would actually be more suited for this I think if we want to determine which country is best.

I'm all for a playoff lead to finals kind of league but it's late in the lifetime of melee so if we'd do that it needs to be organized pretty fast and players will need time to prepare for it. If brawl is any good melee will become a side tournament really fast or just seperate like many sport tournaments are with different classes.

If someone can explain the idea more clear to me plz do cause I don't really get the point of it right now.

 

[TelpeFion]

Ah. I don't know how the others saw this, but for me the reason to do this was FUN. I thought it'd be fun to have something like this. If Aldwyn got second it wouldn't make Italy 2nd best country, that's right, but that isn't the point of this either. To compare this with the UEFA Champions League that inspired me: If Tampere United gets second in the CL, that doesn't mean Finland is the second best football country in Europe. No, this would be done "just for fun", to see what happens, and to possibly stir the competition in a slightly new way. And the winner would have a nice title to boast with.

Yes, I had in mind that every country would have some sort of qualification to determine their representative(s), be that just one qualification tourney or just a Power Rankings style ranking to find out who the best is/are. Like I said, this would probably work best as a bonus event at a big European tournament.

Heh, your idea of the 3-man crew thing reminds of something else: the Davis Cup (tennis for those who don't know). What about having countries play each other in matches of 5 sets, 4 of which are singles sets and 1 that is a teams set. You can have just two players on your team if you want, or you can have three or four if you prefer that. Norway for instance would possibly have Masamune and Tonberry as their singles players, and Masamune and Kriz playing in the doubles match. The order in the Davis Cup goes something like:

1st day: Country A player #1 vs. Country B player #2
Country A player #2 vs. Country B player #1

2nd day: Country A vs. Country B doubles match

3rd day: Country A player #1 vs. Country B player #1
Country A player #2 vs. Country B player #2

So that's 5 sets there.

I'm just randomly throwing out ideas here. Since competitive Smash really IS competitive, it's in my opinion a good idea to look at the way competition is organized in sports. It doesn't always work, but at least sometimes it does.

 

[Helios]

Wow, the Davis Cup idea really works too :D

Ryuker - We're talking BRAWL here

 

[Ryuker]

We are ? I didn't get that from reading his first post ...

The davis cup idea sounds cool. It's always nice thinking of new ways to improve competition however we need to keep in mind that tournaments already have a tight schedule. Will post on this later when I'm not so tired =.=.

 

[bornfidelity.com]

a) if you do it SSBB, and you go and host and stuff and rent venues and all that and brawl turns out to be a **** game, you're screwed, so lets just make it melee ^^

b) I can see the logic behind the 'better countries get more representatives' thing, but it's not really fair, is it? the thought-to-be-less-skilled countries (like spain and germany) should get as much representatives as the major countries, so that every country has the same chance. holland spawns better players then germany, and to give them more entries as well would just be overpowered (we only need one entry to win this anyway and everyone knows, but hey, let's see who gets second ).

c) although this is an idea of the spanish guys (and I dont mean to offend you) something as proposterously big as this would have to be should probably be organised by people with experience. helios has hosted the biggest european tournaments as of yet (JST5 was a one time thing, so let's ignore that) and Epita is probably second. we should look to one of these to actually get this off the ground, I think. a tournament in spain would be awesome, but truth is - none of us has ever been there (for smash) so... well I think you get my point.

^^

 

[Helios]

Well, in one year's time we're sure to know whether brawl sucks or not.

That aside, each country can have their own qualifications (all using the same ruleset, obviously), and then all those qualified can enter the "OMG special side event" at a "regular" major european tourney in sweden, holland, france or the UK.

 

[alucard.ec]

Nice... I just speaked with some one over my country.. so if they made a new smash tournament probably the champ from over ther may come to europe..

 

[Vegard]

Champions League, huh? =S Sounds interesting.

 

[Jeffz0r]

(JST5 was a one time thing, so let's ignore that)

That's what you think
But well, RoX 4, RoS 3 and probably Epita (not sure how many participants it had) were bigger anyway. JST5 had ''only'' 83 participants in singles.[/QUOTE]

 

[jacobrhcp]

the thought-to-be-less-skilled countries (like spain and germany)

quoted for lol xfd

I suppose a tournament in northern-europe would be better >_>

 

[bornfidelity.com]

ok, the known-to-be-less skilled countries, then.

 

[Fuzzyness]

im planning a big tourney in london, gonna post it soon hopefully

 

[Banana_Dragon]

I wouldn't be surprised if I was the best Belgian smasher seeing as there are like, no Belgian smashers
I wouldn't mind being grouped together with the Netherlands though. I mean, it'd only be fair, I'm far from a professional level so I don't think I would "fit" at a "European championship" . Then again, who knows how much I'll improve/adapt over the next few months? Especially with Kirby probably getting a big buff in Brawl :D.

 

[Fuzzyness]

oh the big tourney in london, that died =)

 

[Retroking2000]

XDDDD - fuzzy the tournament flaker

on topic : i agree lets go big before melee dies

 

[PDOT]

yeah no johns fuzz

 

[Requiem]

as far as i know around summer vacation a big european tourny is gonna be organized where i live, zeeland, in the netherlands.

 

[Kirby Squad]

Do you happen to have more info on that?? Only thing is, that Brawl will be out by then most likely...

 

[Askeflink]

It's problary ending with Epita, the last big one.

 

[Requiem]

Do you happen to have more info on that?? Only thing is, that Brawl will be out by then most likely...

Thats why its gonna be a brawl tourny, but it isnt sure that we're gonna hold it, it might not happen.