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Eggz

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Mario's glaring weaknesses and my need to win and become a good professional smasher are conflicting.

It has been recently brought to my attention that my Fox exports a phenomenaly larger amount of **** than my Mario. Said **** also does not discriminate. I won't have trouble with Peachs, Marths, Shieks, and Samus any more. However, Mario has been my pride and joy for almost a year. I like playing fox alot. I'm being moved up to 6th on the WA State PR for my performance this month, which is mostly thanks to fox. D=

I don't like having to rely on chainthrowing and limited/easily DI'd combos anymore. T_T
 

mario-man

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I'm in nearly your same situation, but I don't "need" to use any other character, I've just discovered that I also like Falco. This stinks because I have had so much fun with Mario, and I wanted to be a dedicated Mario specialist. You know what, I'll stay with Mario despite my insides crying out for the ability to launch someone off the top of the screen with Falco's up-air. Mario will remain my main after all.

You however, are placing in tourneys near the top, so feel free to betray your firstlove, and use which ever character you feel is necessary to win, although we will SEVERELY miss you as the Mario role model.

P.S. I thought your Mario was waaaaay better than your Fox.
 

Eggz

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I have no fox videos up from recently, my Fox not only combos better than my mario, but my spacing is more intuitive and I have more control. I'm a natural fox main =/
I'll still mostly post Mario vids and I'll still exclusively hang out in these character spec forums though.
 

D4rkmario

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EGGZ dont quit! i need more of your videos to look off of to get better! :laugh:
I know how you feel about not winning as much, but the higher teirs to me are a little boring since everyone is basically the same person lol.
For some reason my switched characters are getting lower and lower on the teir.....lol

Well good luck if you want to switch to fox
 

Eggz

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That reminds me, I put new mario matches up in the 1v1 section, so everyone go download them.

Fox is too fun. He has a good combo game, and spacing is fun. Both aspects of gameplay are immensely enjoyable! How can you lose? lol
 

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Mario's glaring weaknesses and my need to win and become a good professional smasher are conflicting.
1) You win matches despite Mario's weaknesses

2) Do you know that when people think Mario players they either think Cape, Brown Mario, or you?

Personally I think you do fine as Mario but...
I don't like having to rely on chainthrowing and limited/easily DI'd combos anymore. T_T
you just stated you are not having fun with it so good luck with whatever choice you make
 

AverageScalp

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Dang, and I just recently became a fan of your mario too. Those amazing combos you pull off are orgasmic.

I suggest that you still play as him every once and a while to appease us, heh.
 

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I'm not dropping Mario by any means. I'm just switching from a Mario main who uses fox to a fox main who uses mario. XD

I'll still release Mario vids frequently, because I love mario and his combos, however easy they may be.

1) You win matches despite Mario's weaknesses

2) Do you know that when people think Mario players they either think Cape, Brown Mario, or you?

Personally I think you do fine as Mario but...


Thanks ^_^
 

mario-man

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This is GOOD news indeed.


Eggz, your pm's are at max storage, delete some already!!!!
 

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I went from Young Link, to Mario, to Marth =[ From Hero Sublime/Caveman/Aniki/Buzz, to You/Brown Mario, to Ken. I'm still a Young Link main, Mario secondary... but if I want to win, sadly, I goto Marth... Depending who I play as well, if I know I have no chance in winning, I use Young Link or Mario for fun =]
 

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If you want to climb up in rankings, stay with Fox. I prefer playing for fun over rankings, that's why I play with mainly low tiers. I live in SoCal, so it'll be hard for me to make it into the power rankings, so I play as Young Link/Mario, to try to make a name for myself. And like I said, Marth is always there to back me up =]


If you plan to goto major tournies like 0C3, stick with Fox, and get even better with him. Your Mario seems like it reach'd Mario's limits already. You can try surpassing it, which would be awesome, or go even further with Fox.
 

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Yeah my Mario hasn't been improving. It is technically perfect, imo. All I can do is improve my spacing and tech reading, which will happen if I play fox anyway, so my Mario will keep improving.
 

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Et tu, Eggz? :laugh:

It's sad to see anyone switching their main from Mario to someone else, especially when the Mario player is kick*** to begin with. Somewhere in Mushroom Kingdom, a Toad is crying himself to sleep. But keep your Mario in tip-top shape plz, we need someone to carry the Mario Torch.

(Although to be honest, I play my Falcon much more than I do my Mario nowadays. . .shhhhh, don't tell anyone, it's a seeeeeecret)
 

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Eggz its ok, ur mario has done enuff pwnage for the time being. ur right, ur tech reading etc will possibly get better anyway if u play fox. but u will most likely get used to fox's fastfall and itll slightly throw ur mario game off.
anyway yea fox is fun as hell and i hope u at least keep ur mario polished and shined cuz hes pretty impressive.
w00t
 

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I've played Mario more than fox since like 2 months ago XD

Psst: Maelstrom, so do I D=

I play Marth, Fox, and Falcon all more than Mario XD
 

mario-man

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Wow!!! Now that's a scary thought!!!!

*Thinks about how his Marth probably whoops total butt!!!*
 

Coin you up

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Speak of the Devil

Don't give up Eggz keep maining Mario. I was thinking to switching to Fox as well but I just see my self as a Mario Mainer. I know from expierence Samus, Sheiks, mostly Marth. I always got ***** by Marth now I couldn't take any more I didn't wanna let that happen any longer so I put my fist down and I over came my greatest weakness Marth as of Today I am a dedicated Mario speacialist no matter how hard your technique is I'm gonna plow through it Fire Palms and Fire Balls and all my nasty tricks. From now on I will never be under estimated by any Marth, Sheik, Samus, Fox, or Falco. As long as you have that urge to win you will win.

I main as Mario, Fox, and Samus there my team I work with no other. Before people said my Fox is better then my Mario and they said I should main Fox instead of Mario. I thought about it for days endless matches as Fox and Mario over and over to see who has a better win % rate. The sad truth came as I said, "Fox is my main." At night before I went to bed I knew I didn't mean what I said. I wanted to be different I wanted to surpise. I wanted to main as Mario. Because hardly any one mains him. But everyone mains Fox. Thats why Mario is my #1.

So stick with Mario Eggz! Or I will be sad to lose another Mario brother in the Mario Mainer Community.
 

mario-man

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Dude, read his posts. He is still going to play with Mario ALOT. He just isn't going to use him as much as before. Seriously, think what you would do if everyone on your team said that your Fox was better, and you were trying to move up in the rankings. I know exactly how you feel, because I am just like you, but if I was in his position, I'd probably use the one that everyone said was better in order to move up.
 

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Dude I know what this whole thread is about its about Eggz wanting to main Fox instead of Mario I know he'll still play as him but I just want him to main Mario but its not my decsion its his and yeah Mario lacks alot of qualities if you think about he is the most humanest character in the game.

1.) No amazing jump hight like Falco.
2.) No amazing speed like Ctp. Falcon
3.) No amazing air game Jiggly Puff
4.) No amazing recovery Samus
5.) No amazing power Bowser
6.) No amazing combo's Fox
7.) No amazing air time Luigi *he stays in the air for a while*
8.) No amazing gay disjointed attacks Marth *I hate Marth...*

1.) Mario has some amazing combo's but not as amazing as Fox *wave shine*
 

mario-man

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Yeah, but the beautiful thing is, Mario is very decent in every one of those categories. That's why nearly everybody won't play as him because he's an "all-around" character. I think that's what makes him so good, but if Eggz HAS TO CHANGE MAINS, then I won't get mad at him, because he of all people deserves to not get yelled at if he NEEDS to change his main.


Notice how many times I said "NEED" or "HAS TO" , he doesn't WANT to, he NEEDS to.
 

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Personally Eggz, it matters up to you the most. Ur one of my mario inspirations and ur vids helped my mario moved alot faster. If u want to rank up then put down the plunger and pick up the reflector. It doesn't really matter cause it's ur own chose. It would be great to see mario in top rankings though, but it's too hard at the moment. I do know how it feels though; the need to change mains to win more matches. I 've seen that road and tempted to cross at times. But above all it's ur decision. As long mario is ur fav I wish you good luck.
 

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I think I'll just continue using my 'double main' idea that I've been using since a while ago. That way I can main fox and call it something else =P

Thanks for all your support guys.

Go watch my mario dittos. =P
 

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Mah-Ree-Oh! Mah-Ree-Oh! Mah-Ree-Oh!

I'm not dropping Mario by any means. I'm just switching from a Mario main who uses fox to a fox main who uses mario. XD
This is an unusually contentious subject and different people offer different opinions on what to do. Obviously, if you take the Silent Wolf/battle-hardened/up-the-rankings/winwinwinmoneymoneymoney mentality, you're not going to get a bunch of hate mail from your Mario fans. And if you hop on to the Coin You Up/character purist/wannabethebestmariointheworld mentality, the only person who might be disappointed is you for not being able to Fox it up so much. :) But, now that I've said that it's up to you just like everyone else in the thread, I'd better offer my opinion, too:

If I were in your shoes...

Which I sort of am. Almost every low-tier main who starts to learn the game at the competitive level will see the imbalances in the play and figure out a few fun tricks with the upper tiers. Then all of a sudden you find yourself counterpicking your tough matches with top-tier characters. Then a few more tournaments go by and you find yourself playing Foxes and Marths more and more until ultimately ya gotta make a new signature banner because it seems as though you've just lost your main character without realizing it. I've seen this happen A LOT and if you do what I do at work (which is nothing), I spent quite a bit of time digging up information about the global smash community for the SmashWiki. In my travels, I probably counted at least three or four Mario/Luigi mains that played in tournaments for a year or so and now they all play Fox. Vwins from Toronto was a formidable Luigi main and I was looking forward to facing him at an east vs. west coast Canada mad-crazy Luigi ditto. But now he plays Fox. One of the guys from my bi-weeklies was one of the best Marios I had ever seen and had tremendous potential, but then he started playing Captain Falcon. And I'm fairly sure we're not gonna see Azen's Luigi in a tournament ever again.

So if I were in your shoes?? No, absolutely not. Screw Fox, screw hard Mario matchups; suck it up, learn and know how to win them and I think it'll be more satisfying for you in the long term. Yeah I can play Fox, yeah I can pull of the flashy combos from time to time and yes, it's way easier to beat Peach--but I am a Luigi player and if my Luigi can't handle a matchup and I chump out and pick Fox just because he's stronger, then what right do I have to even call myself a Luigi player? It really depends on where your passion for Smash lies.

I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but you seem to definitely have an attachment to Mario and you're probably finding the same things that I did: Fox is kinda like a drug...it's hard to NOT play him sometimes. However, I also think that Fox play is deceptive in that it can make you seem a lot better at the game than you actually are. There are quite a few Luigi matchups that I still struggle with that are much easier if I play Fox, generally. However, when it comes down to the strange and unusual things in Smash matches that make the game so interesting, I find that Fox falls apart a little bit because I simply don't know him as well as I know Luigi. I don't know how long you've been playing Mario, but when one character is truly ingrained into your head and your muscle memory to allow you to say...cape at the last second for just enough height to land on the moving cloud at Yoshi's Story (or losing control in the air with Ness on Corneria and recovering by PSI Magnet-healing via the Great Fox's guns :)), that character is your best. I'm not sure if my point is entirely clear here, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that at least in my case, it doesn't matter if I played Fox straight for three months and learned all the tricks to beat all kinds of characters of varying weights, only Luigi would survive the unpredictable occurrences that make or break a match sometimes. Don't get me wrong, assuming nothing goes awry in the Fox matches, the mighty space animal would probably win more often than Luigi overall, but where it really counts is in the ability to improvise and truly control the character in all situations. The more control you have, the better you are. There are a lot of times that I'll be playing Fox and something bizarre will happen (like teching the ceiling underneath Battlefield's surface with a misplaced up+B and not being nearly fast enough to react) and the first thing I think of is: "A Fox main would've lived through that." Thus, the second thing that springs to mind is: "I would've lived through that if I were playing Luigi." And in most cases, it's true.

On the grander scheme, you have to decide: are you doing this to win just for yourself? Or are you doing it to win for the community and the spirited competitive scene? You know, the fans? And if you're doing it for the community, it's a little bit like deciding whether to release a crappy pop CD that will sell millions of copies over two years and then be forgotten, or release an epic album that took ten years to finish to a small audience of people who will truly appreciate it:

Do you want a whole bunch of fans who know about Eggz, this guy who's gotta be pretty good considering how high he is on the Washington Power Rankings?

Or do you want a small number of Mario fans from a closer-knit community of players who really know what it takes to play him and admire the fact that this Eggz guy, regardless of what number he is on whatever rankings list, is still the best Mario around?

That same authentic appreciation is not something you can get if you run and hide behind Fox; it's the Mario community that decides it and dedicating yourself to succeeding with the community supporting you 100% is what makes the best Mario in the world.

Seriously, try placing top 3 in a tournament with Mario and winning a tournament with Fox and post the results in each appropriate character-specific forum....do you really think anyone's gonna give a shit in the Fox forum? Not. Likely. Your Mario fans will greet you with a hero's welcome, even without taking first place!

It comes down to what you want out of the game and I've learned (mostly from the random abuse scattered all over these forums) that there are wildly varying opinions on what exactly that should be. I can only comment on my own beliefs and as a character purist, I can respect your decision to play Fox, but I vehemently disapprove. :cool:
 

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It hadn't been replied to in seventeen days, but if you'd like to ignore my time-consuming reply based on that pretense, I can't very well stop you. :)
 

Endless Nightmares

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I had the same scenario as Eggz. But instead of going from Mario to Fox I went from G&W to Samus. I can dish out the **** much better with Samus than with G&W. Like Eggz said about his Mario, my G&W is technically perfect and my progress has come to a near-halt. I feel like Samus is my natural character, I play so much better than I play G&W. G&W's my pride and joy, I'll always show him off and keep playing him, but I'm enjoying Samus a lot better. I've also moved up on the MN power rankings (or should I say, finally made onto the power rankings :laugh:).

Lots of smashers change their main focus to a new character, I don't see any problem with it. Eggz, I'm just guessing here but I think you may feel a little pressured or guilty about using Fox because you're a very skilled and well-known Mario player, and you have so much respect from the Mario community. Everybody knows you as a Mario player. I don't think you'll lose any respect but a few people might be disappointed (I remember how disappointed I was when Eddie switched from Ganon to Fox :dizzy:). In the end you should just do whatever feels natural. Don't feel bad about it.
 

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This is an unusually contentious subject and different people offer different opinions on what to do. Obviously, if you take the Silent Wolf/battle-hardened/up-the-rankings/winwinwinmoneymoneymoney mentality, you're not going to get a bunch of hate mail from your Mario fans. And if you hop on to the Coin You Up/character purist/wannabethebestmariointheworld mentality, the only person who might be disappointed is you for not being able to Fox it up so much. :) But, now that I've said that it's up to you just like everyone else in the thread, I'd better offer my opinion, too:

If I were in your shoes...

Which I sort of am. Almost every low-tier main who starts to learn the game at the competitive level will see the imbalances in the play and figure out a few fun tricks with the upper tiers. Then all of a sudden you find yourself counterpicking your tough matches with top-tier characters. Then a few more tournaments go by and you find yourself playing Foxes and Marths more and more until ultimately ya gotta make a new signature banner because it seems as though you've just lost your main character without realizing it. I've seen this happen A LOT and if you do what I do at work (which is nothing), I spent quite a bit of time digging up information about the global smash community for the SmashWiki. In my travels, I probably counted at least three or four Mario/Luigi mains that played in tournaments for a year or so and now they all play Fox. Vwins from Toronto was a formidable Luigi main and I was looking forward to facing him at an east vs. west coast Canada mad-crazy Luigi ditto. But now he plays Fox. One of the guys from my bi-weeklies was one of the best Marios I had ever seen and had tremendous potential, but then he started playing Captain Falcon. And I'm fairly sure we're not gonna see Azen's Luigi in a tournament ever again.

So if I were in your shoes?? No, absolutely not. Screw Fox, screw hard Mario matchups; suck it up, learn and know how to win them and I think it'll be more satisfying for you in the long term. Yeah I can play Fox, yeah I can pull of the flashy combos from time to time and yes, it's way easier to beat Peach--but I am a Luigi player and if my Luigi can't handle a matchup and I chump out and pick Fox just because he's stronger, then what right do I have to even call myself a Luigi player? It really depends on where your passion for Smash lies.

I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but you seem to definitely have an attachment to Mario and you're probably finding the same things that I did: Fox is kinda like a drug...it's hard to NOT play him sometimes. However, I also think that Fox play is deceptive in that it can make you seem a lot better at the game than you actually are. There are quite a few Luigi matchups that I still struggle with that are much easier if I play Fox, generally. However, when it comes down to the strange and unusual things in Smash matches that make the game so interesting, I find that Fox falls apart a little bit because I simply don't know him as well as I know Luigi. I don't know how long you've been playing Mario, but when one character is truly ingrained into your head and your muscle memory to allow you to say...cape at the last second for just enough height to land on the moving cloud at Yoshi's Story (or losing control in the air with Ness on Corneria and recovering by PSI Magnet-healing via the Great Fox's guns :)), that character is your best. I'm not sure if my point is entirely clear here, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that at least in my case, it doesn't matter if I played Fox straight for three months and learned all the tricks to beat all kinds of characters of varying weights, only Luigi would survive the unpredictable occurrences that make or break a match sometimes. Don't get me wrong, assuming nothing goes awry in the Fox matches, the mighty space animal would probably win more often than Luigi overall, but where it really counts is in the ability to improvise and truly control the character in all situations. The more control you have, the better you are. There are a lot of times that I'll be playing Fox and something bizarre will happen (like teching the ceiling underneath Battlefield's surface with a misplaced up+B and not being nearly fast enough to react) and the first thing I think of is: "A Fox main would've lived through that." Thus, the second thing that springs to mind is: "I would've lived through that if I were playing Luigi." And in most cases, it's true.

On the grander scheme, you have to decide: are you doing this to win just for yourself? Or are you doing it to win for the community and the spirited competitive scene? You know, the fans? And if you're doing it for the community, it's a little bit like deciding whether to release a crappy pop CD that will sell millions of copies over two years and then be forgotten, or release an epic album that took ten years to finish to a small audience of people who will truly appreciate it:

Do you want a whole bunch of fans who know about Eggz, this guy who's gotta be pretty good considering how high he is on the Washington Power Rankings?

Or do you want a small number of Mario fans from a closer-knit community of players who really know what it takes to play him and admire the fact that this Eggz guy, regardless of what number he is on whatever rankings list, is still the best Mario around?

That same authentic appreciation is not something you can get if you run and hide behind Fox; it's the Mario community that decides it and dedicating yourself to succeeding with the community supporting you 100% is what makes the best Mario in the world.

Seriously, try placing top 3 in a tournament with Mario and winning a tournament with Fox and post the results in each appropriate character-specific forum....do you really think anyone's gonna give a shit in the Fox forum? Not. Likely. Your Mario fans will greet you with a hero's welcome, even without taking first place!

It comes down to what you want out of the game and I've learned (mostly from the random abuse scattered all over these forums) that there are wildly varying opinions on what exactly that should be. I can only comment on my own beliefs and as a character purist, I can respect your decision to play Fox, but I vehemently disapprove. :cool:
Woah, I missed your post. Sorry man. LOL.

I figure I've won with Mario, and I can keep winning with him. I've been only playing Mario lately and I've gotten back up to par. I lost to Otto at the Oregon tournament we went to earlier last month, and when we went to dinner he said he was more afraid of my Mario. XD

I just do better as Mario in everything. I had a wierd spot, but I'm back. I got alot of Mario...(and fox) footage that's being gone through. Sooo expect a couple combo vids eventually.
 

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I'm not as good of a smasher as you, needless to say, but I think the most important thing to say is that its easy for people to become proficient with a top tier character, but becoming an excellent mario is much more respectable!
 

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I'm jsut saying, assuming we're dealing with an experienced gamer, there's a tier lsit for a reason. Some characters just have an edge, and it is much more impressive to have a good Mario than a good Fox.
 
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