ATTENTION ALL TOURNEY HOSTS - Ban Ledge Stalling

[Mew2King]

if you see someone who gets a % lead in a match and tries to win the match by stalling at the ledge, giving him a huge unfair advantage over his opponent, BAN IT. Even if you never saw this before, I am telling you from experience that it happens, and it's really ********. BAN IT. Make a rule so that they have to touch the ground at least once every 10 seconds from the point of which they grab the ledge, or an even better idea is to have the option of having a judge (like a tourney host or someone trustworthy, I recommend the tourney host) to be called over to the TV. Sheik and Jiggs could easily win matches in Melee this way, but everyone was too honorable to do it, because that ruins the point of the game, which is to be a fun FIGHTING game. Do you want people to travel to go to tourneys just to see THAT?

for those of you that aren't experienced in smash tourneys, this is a very cheap way to win, it's makes the game not fun to play... it doesn't even make it a game anymore, but rather an EXPLOITATION OF THE RULES. I remember Plank doing this to Eggm last year and him winning 2 tourney sets over him when he got a % lead. It's not to say he wouldn't have won, but it was done in a really dumb, boring way, giving a big advantage for no good reason. I tried this in 1 friendly vs chu dat last year sheik vs ICs in a friendly, I got a small % lead after shooting a needle then I ledge camped the rest of the time. Regardless if this was a friendly or not, I ended up 3 stocking him, while normally fighting properly it would be really close and at that time I probably would lose. King was ledge camping vs Forward in an OC3 match and Forward then said "that's all you have to do to win" and King responded with "yeah, it is" but since King is an honorable player, he finished the match properly by actual fighting.

Ledge Stalling needs to be banned, every Tourney Host needs to make sure that there is a ruleset that should have either 1) a 10 second rule for touching the ground of the stage or 2) a judge can be called over to prevent this from happening

there is no positive effect of allowing this at tourneys, all it does is ruin the game completely. We need to draw a line or else this won't even be a GAME anmore. And as far as I'm concerned, I like FIGHTING my opponents. Unless you want the future to be really boring and gay, I suggest you listen to my advice. Doing this will literally RUIN smash, so if you have any honor at ALL you should never resort to this.

Thanks for your time, and please do listen. I enjoy FIGHTING my opponents.

The sooner you do this the better, and remember - it can't hurt to be playing it safe, this will only help.

 

[Espy Rose]

if you see someone who gets a % lead in a match and tries to win the match by stalling at the ledge, giving him a huge unfair advantage over his opponent, BAN IT. Even if you never saw this before, I am telling you from experience that it happens, and it's really ********. BAN IT. Make a rule so that they have to touch the ground at least once every 10 seconds from the point of which they grab the ledge, or an even better idea is to have the option of having a judge (like a tourney host or someone trustworthy, I recommend the tourney host) to be called over to the TV. Sheik and Jiggs could easily win matches in Melee this way, but everyone was too honorable to do it, because that ruins the point of the game, which is to be a fun FIGHTING game. Do you want people to travel to go to tourneys just to see THAT?

for those of you that aren't experienced in smash tourneys, this is a very cheap way to win, it's makes the game not fun to play... it doesn't even make it a game anymore, but rather an EXPLOITATION OF THE RULES. I remember Plank doing this to Eggm last year and him winning 2 tourney sets over him when he got a % lead. It's not to say he wouldn't have won, but it was done in a really dumb, boring way, giving a big advantage for no good reason. I tried this in 1 friendly vs chu dat last year sheik vs ICs in a friendly, I got a small % lead after shooting a needle then I ledge camped the rest of the time. Regardless if this was a friendly or not, I ended up 3 stocking him, while normally fighting properly it would be really close and at that time I probably would lose. King was ledge camping vs Forward in an OC3 match and Forward then said "that's all you have to do to win" and King responded with "yeah, it is" but since King is an honorable player, he finished the match properly by actual fighting.

Ledge Stalling needs to be banned, every Tourney Host needs to make sure that there is a ruleset that should have either 1) a 10 second rule for touching the ground of the stage or 2) a judge can be called over to prevent this from happening

there is no positive effect of allowing this at tourneys, all it does is ruin the game completely. We need to draw a line or else this won't even be a GAME anmore. And as far as I'm concerned, I like FIGHTING my opponents. Unless you want the future to be really boring and gay, I suggest you listen to my advice. Doing this will literally RUIN smash, so if you have any honor at ALL you should never resort to this.

Thanks for your time, and please do listen. I enjoy FIGHTING my opponents.

The sooner you do this the better, and remember - it can't hurt to be playing it safe, this will only help.

The bolded part was just too good.

It sounds alot like, dare I say it?

Meta Knight.

 

[GMo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phRs10GVwvg

From 55-45 to 75-25? Hahaha.

 

[LeeHarris]

No

You can't enforce a rule like that

 

[PhantomX]

The 10 second thing is silly... but ledge stalling is pretty gay no matter how you look at it :\

 

[Mew2King]

actually you can enforce it very easily, inui has already tried out a tourney like that where spam (someone who does that) with the judge rule and it worked out fine

 

[Kyari]

Did anybody try pushing the envelope? Was anybody a serious Pikachu main? ROB main? These characters benefit from ledge games in ways that MK doesn't even need to. Taking it away from them hurts them as a character.

 

[Mew2King]

^ that sounds like an extremely exciting, fun way to evolve a game for tourneys yet to come in the future.......

 

[KosukeKGA]

Thank God AZ doesn't really play Brawl all that much anymore.

I also laugh at people think Ledge Stalling is actually fun.

 

[Overswarm]

If it makes enforcing this rule easier, the onyl character that can do this insanely well is Metaknight.

 

[Kyari]

Well, ledge tactics from most characters are diffusable if you really want to stop them, you have to know that character's options from the ledge and you have to know what your character can do to them while they're off the stage.

And again, the hardest part to this would be to have an accurate definition as what constitutes as "stalling". What if you're ROB or Pikachu, who have projectiles to actively pressure the opponent into attacking you off of the stage? By the formal definition of stalling no amount of time would be enough to constitute as stalling in this situation because it fails to meet the criteria of making the game unplayable, and also qualifies for the definition of NOT stalling by introducing conflict (projectiles) or to reach a better position. Ledge games - for the characters that have them - are surprisingly deep for what they are, and being punished for improper ledge games is still a very real threat that makes excessive ledge games a risky maneuver. Minor use of ledge games is a perfectly legitimate part of playstyle.

MK's ledge game is inherently different in that it doesn't really benefit MK for any reason other than to run the timer out, where with other characters this is not their goal.

 

[Mew2King]

so ban sheik and jiggs in melee, they could win that way pretty easily, just people have honor, unlike you

but wait, that would be ********, as it takes away all the time people put into practicing the character, when you could easily impliment a rule to 100% avoid this. The only people you will convince are dumb tourney hosts. You just want MK banned, but there are plenty of ways around ******** stuff like this, as long as the TO has a brain. Most tourneys already have a rule against "stalling" anyway, so all the person would have to do is be smart enough to call someone (like a judge / tourney host) over for them to decide if that's stalling or not.

we have had good success already with inui banning this rule, NY has had positive feedback, so has PA, and Florida

 

[Kyari]

A timer rule could work, but I don't think 10 seconds is qute enough time if you're going to apply the rule to every character. 15-20 seconds seems like a good number to me.

 

[Mew2King]

the timer was just a suggestion, but my primary suggestion was if one person thinks the other person is stalling, he has the option of being able to ask the judge and the judge can immediately make the other person lose the match under the judgment that it's stalling. It's pretty much common sense. Inui has already hosted a tourney with "no planking" allowed, and it worked out fine, spam didn't do the usual stalling that he sometimes uses when he thinks he needs to, and no one even had to resort to that. Impliment this rule however you like, but it will be a good idea and make the game much more fun to play

 

[Dr Drew the Dragon]

...Why is this in Southwest, the topic in tourney discussion is plenty.

 

[AltF4]

Oh? My very own Mod party? I never get to have Mod parties!

People still play Brawl? I had no idea.