Vts
Smash Champion
Thread names says it all, i pride myself at knowing IC and what all there hit box's and moves do, so lets get started 
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Ask VTS Technical IC questions.
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Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
Comparing them side by side it seems like standing grab is just a tiny bit higher (same hitbox, but higher up)? I'm wondering because it seems like it's harder for floaties to jump out when you jc or standing grab.Dash Grab- 40 frames
Normal- 30 frames
dash grabbing and normal have the same hit box, jump canceling grabs is the better due to the less lag from it.
Both have 2 frames of hit box (sad huh).
Edit, changed my mind about this thread going to make new topic.
Vts
Smash Champion
Yeah its slightly higher and allows you to grab those coming down or jumping little easier, dash grab though can grab crouching characters while standing can only about 1/2 the time so vs jiggs and kirby dash grab is better if u see they like the crouch
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
hmm. I know this but, how can you cancel nana smashes(I think other moves also)? more than one way not counting getting hit.
if you don't know i'll tell you
if you don't know i'll tell you
Vts
Smash Champion
never heard of anything like this please tell.
but going to guess up-b or something around moving her
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
You can cancel Nana's smashes with up+b or blizzard. A combo I made up a while ago:
D-throw -> Nana u-tilt -> up+B during the u-tilt (before the final hit)
if done correctly the up+b cancels her u-tilt and combos as long as they don't sdi out.
D-throw -> Nana u-tilt -> up+B during the u-tilt (before the final hit)
if done correctly the up+b cancels her u-tilt and combos as long as they don't sdi out.
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
yeah I figured no one knew. but yeah de-synce nana then up-B or down-B(on ground) and she will cancel her attack at ANY point.
but yeah you can easily de-synce up-smash up-B combo
but yeah you can easily de-synce up-smash up-B combo
Vts
Smash Champion
hmm might be able to mess with that a little more to do some other little stuff
once i get home
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
this could be a great thread. So is there a way to make nana down-B when i'm hanging onto the edge doing a rising bair to slap them in the face, in decent speed of course. I just think that would cover sooooo many options it's ********
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
Um wouldn't nana canceling be when you double jump near an edge and grab it and nana dies?
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
I already said one way you can use it to be flashy. You can also Nana u-smash -> belay as a rest punisher.
Can standing grab outrange Fox's shine? How far away do you have to be to outrange Falco's? Something I've been playing with is lightshielding to get pushed away, then fullshielding to avoid the shine and grabbing because you're not in hitstun.
Can standing grab outrange Fox's shine? How far away do you have to be to outrange Falco's? Something I've been playing with is lightshielding to get pushed away, then fullshielding to avoid the shine and grabbing because you're not in hitstun.
Vts
Smash Champion
no u can't grab them from light shield unless its very first frames to from the shine push.
which is basically a no.
now if you light shield and SDI forward u should be able to but i still need to mess with it a little more.
since i'm at work i can't look at my hit box stuff, but by memory falco's and fox's shines are both same side to side but falco's is taller.
and for the nana tricks i need to really mess with it.
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
I mean lightshielding to get the right distance (which is hard and you probably have to be holding it at a certain shield density) and then fullshielding before shine comes out so the shine doesn't hit your shield. I think I've done it before, I'm just not sure exactly how far I have to be...
Vts
Smash Champion
i've done it to were nana light shields and i get hit by shine and she grabs but still working on the other way around lol
SoiGreg
Smash Journeyman
I'm not sure about this, but when you are doing to dtilt wobbling. Is it possible for them to escape every sixth frame?
Vts
Smash Champion
IC are very different character and when we hit in our grab we do more frames of hit stun then normal grabs thus making it harder to break out.
it would be possible to escape if they can get all the inputs at the start of it but after the 30% then they are screwed and its only up to you if u mess up or not now.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
What's the lowest percent at which we can do headbutt -> blizzard -> headbutt -> throw without them being able to break out easily?
ShootingStars
Smash Apprentice
+3 treererere
Vts
Smash Champion
29%-45% depending on how well you know they can smash buttons
if they are amazing then don't try til 38%-45%.
the blizzards doesn't give that extra frame of hit stun like normal hits do.
but best use it at the very start any type of waiting will make it easier for them to break out
Kyu Puff
Smash Champion
Can you punish peach's d-smash with wd out of shield if you lightshield it?
Vts
Smash Champion
No, punish it with a f-smash,d-smash, or grab.
but wait for the right timing so the last hit doesn't get u
Vts
Smash Champion
i'm saying wait til ts over then punish her for her laggy move.
just the standing and jc grabs. its only sometimes also since jigglypuff while crouching still moves up just a little to still be grabbed
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Basically
Initial duck > standing grab (includes JC grab)
Prolonged duck < standing grab (includes JC grab)
Initial duck < dash grab
Prolonged duck < dash grab
Initial duck > standing grab (includes JC grab)
Prolonged duck < standing grab (includes JC grab)
Initial duck < dash grab
Prolonged duck < dash grab
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
idk how long the initial duck lasts
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I think the initial duck transposes into the prolonged duck as soon as the character starts doing their "impatient" animation.
Vts
Smash Champion
idk anything about puff really besides she is dumb :D
maybe.... calling magus420 :D
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I actually have no idea.
GofG
Smash Champion
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
but the problem would be she would have to duck for 8 frames at least due to the fact of the 6 frame differece in popo and nana and grabs last 2 frames each.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
GofG, if LOZR always mashes buttons when he gets grabbed, dthrow dair is guaranteed. No need to blizzard him if he's not going to bother to DI the chaingrab. xD
Vts
Smash Champion
odd u might be delaying the blizzard or he is already smashing before u grab him thus making it so he can break out like instantly.
cus at 40% and u blizzard just as soon as u grab they can break out if they started smashing buttons at the beginning of the blizzard
Also, GofG, make sure you get that popo headbutt in during the second half of the blizzard. It increases stun time keeping him in longer.
But yeah if he always mashes, just dthrowdair repeatedly, or just fsmash him out randomly and hope for terror DI.
Better yet, if he is hitting L and R, just dthrow him, jab reset him, and regrab or double Fsmash.
No matter what they do, they get fked up. Do nothing, they get the blizzard. Spinning the cstick leads towards easy dthrow dairs, and fsmash deaths at 50%. Mashing shield buttons leads to guaranteed no-techs and therefore jab-resets and/or double fsmashes.
But yeah if he always mashes, just dthrowdair repeatedly, or just fsmash him out randomly and hope for terror DI.
Better yet, if he is hitting L and R, just dthrow him, jab reset him, and regrab or double Fsmash.
No matter what they do, they get fked up. Do nothing, they get the blizzard. Spinning the cstick leads towards easy dthrow dairs, and fsmash deaths at 50%. Mashing shield buttons leads to guaranteed no-techs and therefore jab-resets and/or double fsmashes.
Vts
Smash Champion
Since thread is little slow thought i would tell you guys i'm going to start testing some of the hidden hit boxes inside IC moves to see what they do.
this one is down tilt but i'm almost positive that its just over lapping hit boxes.
the f-smash is one i really want to test out to see if the hilt/head hit box does little kb or dmg or possible more who knows i need to mess around with these.
also random tip of the day, upsmash has longer hit box from hitting from the back it allows you to hit jigglypuff when she sleeps to hit her upwards, if you face her you will miss.
this one is down tilt but i'm almost positive that its just over lapping hit boxes.
the f-smash is one i really want to test out to see if the hilt/head hit box does little kb or dmg or possible more who knows i need to mess around with these.
also random tip of the day, upsmash has longer hit box from hitting from the back it allows you to hit jigglypuff when she sleeps to hit her upwards, if you face her you will miss.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Isn't the inner hitbox on the fsmash the one that hits you backwards? Just a guess.
Vts
Smash Champion
i thought that at first but i've had some crazy times where the tip of my hammer sends them behind me.
(maybe glitch but won me the match lol).
didn't get recorded though, tried to recreate it but always failed.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
If my theory is right, it would explain why, when they're mashed up against you/slightly behind, or when you uthrow fsmash, the trajectory is reversed.