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Armor Johns...

Snakeee

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I've been using ZSS's armor parts in tourney battles, and some people have been complaining about it. At the tourney's I've been to so far there was no rule against it. I'm tired of hearing this though, and want to hear what the rest of you think of using the parts. If it ends up being being banned I can deal with it, but I don't really think it should be. If they do, then they might as well ban any character specific item.
 

anoobis

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I tend to agree. I was playing a 1v1 with my friend who is also very competitive and I basically juggled him off the level with armor pieces and he died he qq'ed beat me the next match and called himself better (I had to throw off the armor pieces in the next match). I think the armor pieces are fine people know they're gonna be there they can deal with it imho. (I've even had armor pieces used against me lol)
 

Dirian

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Are we going to ban King DDD's stupid minions? Diddy's peels? Any projectile other characters have? Since they're only there for a limited time and can be used against you, I'd say anyone who complains is just a whiner.
 

fkacyan

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I've been using ZSS's armor parts in tourney battles, and some people have been complaining about it. At the tourney's I've been to so far there was no rule against it. I'm tired of hearing this though, and want to hear what the rest of you think of using the parts. If it ends up being being banned I can deal with it, but I don't really think it should be. If they do, then they might as well ban any character specific item.
Does he want cheese with that whine?

Honestly, he should practice catching them, my friends have gotten quite good at that now.
 

Kawaii

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In friendlies I mention to people, to let me throw the pieces off, but I've seen nearly every ZSS use them in real tourney matches. If you enter a tourney match and turn around to start throwing the items off the edge, should prepare yourself to be hit while doing it. It is always there, they should be prepared to recatch and return them.
 

DeliciousCake

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ZSS's armor pieces are a part of her, and should be utilized. However, after a few matched people start to wise up and dodge/grab/powershield your armor pieces. That's when you'll find yourself throwing your own armor pieces off the level so they can't use them themselves. Personally, I like throwing two pieces off the level and monopolizing one piece for myself. Wait for an opening where your opponent can't easily dodge the piece, and just mess with them until it disappears.
 

ph00tbag

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****, I've had people hit me with my own items. I only heard people complain about it when it was still a novel concept. After people got used to it, I stopped hearing complaints.
 

QT-P-2T

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If people are going to complain about Zamus throwing the pieces, they can learn to 'competitively' catch them.
 

looduhcriss

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well, u just have to adapt to getting hit by ur own items and using them. I personally dont like to use them sometimes, especially when they get deflected bak at me.

but i agree this isnt really something to whine about...either do or dont with teh pieces.
 

Snakeee

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In friendlies I mention to people, to let me throw the pieces off, but I've seen nearly every ZSS use them in real tourney matches. If you enter a tourney match and turn around to start throwing the items off the edge, should prepare yourself to be hit while doing it. It is always there, they should be prepared to recatch and return them.
Yeah, actually in friendlies I tend to throw them off now.
 

Wildfire393

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When playing last night with my brother, he was complaining and complaining as I hit him a few times with armor pieces. Then, while still complaining, he turned them against me and killed me at like 75%.
 

K Balls

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i think its dumb and each time i start the match i throw the ITEMS out of the level. I don't want people using it against me so i throw them out.
 

Gr00ve

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Wow, is this a real topic? Of COURSE you can use the armor pieces against your opponent, use any means necessary to win. If people want to ***** and moan, just stuff your power suit down their throat to shut them up. :p
 

Ivoryshadows

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I use them when my opponents don't mind. But if them want me to throw them off the edge before we begin that’s fine too. Your opponent shouldn't complain because he or she should know they are coming!

I also had them used against me!
 

.kR0

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I beat them either way so its fine.

on a tourney, I always use em and laugh when they try and ***** about my suit pieces.
 

Baku1212

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Cry babies, thats all they are. The peices of armor dont last the long and catching them is pretty easy. They all need to stop whining
 

Kamano

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I'd like to add that I've found a couple interesting/useful alternatives to simply throwing them off the side:

Glide tossing, glide tossing, glide tossing. Not only can you glide toss them forward when you'd otherwise be out of throwing range, you can also glide toss them straight up. I often take the first one I pick up immediately after the match starts (assuming this is on FD), glide toss forward, roll back to pick up another, glide toss forward or up, more often up, since they're usually in the "oh hey I'm smart, I'll just jump over while he throws his crap" mode.

Glide tossing up will either : A) hit them and allow you to pretty easily catch the piece for another throw, or B) force them to stay back more than they initially intended, to which you can either catch the falling piece, throw in some whip spam, and/or run back and pick up the 3rd piece to throw again, usually with a forward glide toss.

Biggest part of this: People are far less likely to advance on you with items in the air that could fall on their head. Use that to make them keep their distance a bit.

Also it seems a lot of players get overly obvious if they manage to catch a piece to throw back. They're not typically very tricky, and very rarely know to/use glide tossing unless they're playing a character that has similarly functioning projectiles already (Peach, Diddy), so if they do catch one, just shield often until you get in a position to hit them with aerials or Side B's.
 

Dirian

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Not to sound like a newb, but what's glidetossing and how do you do it? Just roll+toss or is there something else to it?
 

Kamano

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Not to sound like a newb, but what's glidetossing and how do you do it? Just roll+toss or is there something else to it?
Like I said, it seems to be something not a lot of people know about at all unless their character has the ability to use projectiles like that consistently and effectively, so it doesn't sound newbish at all. :D


here's a couple videos showing it with Peach


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7sP_pzAggQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HbiFZ1P6h0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTxAhvzBDZk


I'd suggest spending about 5-10 minutes in training mode with peach to get the timing down, but once you get it, it's really surprisingly easy to do, and Zamus' glide goes roughly as far as the air dodge example there for Peach. And again, you can roll forwards or backwards with these, throwing either direction, and also up.
 

Ciel~Image

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Complaining about the armor is pretty lame, man. Like, they made the conscious decision to include it as part of the character, even when you start as her. Obviously they wanted people to be throwing armor pieces when initiating combat with ZSS, regardless of whether she comes into the match after a final smash or at the beginning. One might as well complain about the addition of tripping or how x is nerfed or y is buffed. It's in there, live with it. /gg
 
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