Apex Prizes

[Han Solo]

Wow, you're really going out on a limb there

Do you want me to put an exact date on when people will stop playing chess? What are you trying to say?

 

[clubbadubba]

Do you want me to put an exact date on when people will stop playing chess? What are you trying to say?

I believe he is saying that we all know chess will outlast ssb, hence you aren't making a very profound statement. Don't shoot me just a translator!

 

[Han Solo]

Much of what I said wasn't profound. Battlecow asked about a "magical" quality video games had that chess didn't. I posted about that.

 

[Sangoku]

Some people also believed chess might not last forever since it's a finite game. IIRC Capablanca wanted to add a column to the chessboard and add the "archbishop" lol. Or Bobby Fisher introduced to random fisher chess to have more possibilities.

Anyway, we're still far from having reached the point where an archbishop is needed.

I don't know why I wanted to make this post, since it's not relevant to the current discussion.

 

[Battlecow]

@clubba

1. That was definitely more than a month ago, wasn't it?

2. I'm sure if I said that, it meant that the comparison you were drawing was somewhat invalid, whereas my comparison was valid as ****

3. Han Solo is a worthless traitor and also not my friend any more

 

[Surri-Sama]

I think you guys looked way to far into the nonsense to pull an answer you guys wanted lol.

Chess ISN'T really like smash64 in any comparable way. The point that stands though is that age alone does not determine how long a game will be played on a serious level.

 

[TheMagistrate]

I would agree that Chess shares some similarities to SSB64, especially when I look at spacing and comboing, etc.

Also, why would it matter the age of the game to play it competitively?

 

[Froski]

I would agree that Chess shares some similarities to SSB64

Blasphemy!

 

[cmu6eh]

Goddamn you guys suck at staying on topic.

What foreign 64 players would we want to see at apex? Is the console tier list up to date? Why don't I see Gerson on there? And which people are from outside the US?

 

[Sangoku]

I think King Funk will have a few things to say lol.

 

[prisonchild]

You must not be a MAD SICK HUSTLA

In all seriousness though, I hate it when people (it's always people who are relatively new to the boards/scene) end everything they say with "this game came out 13 years ago, so don't do X" as if X was some kind of ridiculous thing given the age of the game. Mother****er, please. Why does that make a difference? We obviously take it seriously. Chess came out a thousand years ago or some **** and people still play that for money. Why is it fine to fly people in from japan for a "game that came out in 1999," but somehow pathetic to charge an entrance fee for that same game?

This isn't street fighter. We don't get a new version every 6 months. The game is around for good.

he never said it was pathetic to charge an entrance fee, he said he didn't support a higher one. his reason for that was because people who play this game competitively do it because they love the game, not because they want to make a living off smash money. I'm going to go on a limb and say that almost everybody loses money going to a smash tournament with transportation costs and everything, so clearly people aren't playing the game for that prize money anyways. higher entrance fees would just be more money the majority of players are losing.

why would you be so condescending, especially when you're wrong?


also, how could you compare chess to smash in this scenario? walk into any board game store and there will be chess boards. chess is still popular, whereas ssb64 has virtually no new players coming in to the scene because it isn't really sold anywhere or advertised. how many people under 16 even know about ssb64?

both games' ages are clearly respective to their categories. board games remain popular a lot longer than video games. video games are practically obselete after a few years.

 

[Surri-Sama]

he never said it was pathetic to charge an entrance fee, he said he didn't support a higher one. his reason for that was because people who play this game competitively do it because they love the game, not because they want to make a living off smash money. I'm going to go on a limb and say that almost everybody loses money going to a smash tournament with transportation costs and everything, so clearly people aren't playing the game for that prize money anyways. higher entrance fees would just be more money the majority of players are losing.


BOOMFAN


why would you be so condescending, especially when you're wrong?


Don't talk about condescension lol, you're being overly aggressive as well.


also, how could you compare chess to smash in this scenario? walk into any board game store and there will be chess boards. chess is still popular, whereas ssb64 has virtually no new players coming in to the scene because it isn't really sold anywhere or advertised. how many people under 16 even know about ssb64?

STAR KING

Let me show you the names of our people >_>

Your points are moot lol

 

[The Star King]

Me, Killer, Channighan, that one "Jordan" guy in the Facebook group, that one "Tommy" guy in the Facebook group, and those are just the ones I know off the top of my head, there's probably a lot more

 

[Battlecow]

Goddamn you guys suck at staying on topic.

What foreign 64 players would we want to see at apex? Is the console tier list up to date? Why don't I see Gerson on there? And which people are from outside the US?

The "console tier list" should be renamed "people that Darth Rancorous has played on console, ranked according to Darth Rancorous." It's one guy's personal opinion, and should be taken as such. Unfortunately, the thread title confuses a lot of people who (understandably) just read the list and not the whole thread.

Please stop quoting prison child. It defeats the point of an ignore list.

 

[The Star King]

Battlecow you were 15 when you started right?

 

[prisonchild]

Let me show you the names of our people >_>

Your points are moot lol

why did you say boomfan?


and is star king under 16?

 

[The Star King]

No but I started when I was 14

 

[Sangoku]

I started when I was 9, back in 2000.

 

[King Funk]

In the next few days I'm starting a donation fund thread to get 3 top Japanese players to come to Apex 2013.

 

[Battlecow]

three might be ambitious

And yeah I was 15 when I started playing competitively. I would've been 6 or 7 when I first started playing

 

[Surri-Sama]

Start a fund to get the three top Canadians to go jerks

 

[Sangoku]

You don't want to go surri?

 

[Surri-Sama]

Lol you've been perfectly on que for the past few days.

GG

 

[Han Solo]

Battlecow...

:'(

 

[Battlecow]

tears won't move me

 

[tacos]

Start a fund to get the three top Mexicans to go jerks

FIXED

jaime+tacos+dex just saying

Spoiler

/i might not make it to apex F.U.C.K

[COLLAPSE=]yes mod INFRACT me[/COLLAPSE]

 

[The Star King]

Start a fund for top one half Ukranian half Korean teenage keyboard players from Northern Virginia IMO

 

[Battlecow]

I'll donate to Gerson and Jousuke.

community's too broke to be flying in 9 different peeps, IDK if we can even help them out that much

I'd be glad to be surprised by y'alls deep pockets, of course.

 

[prisonchild]

who would organize this? find out if they can make it schedule-wise, then find out how much tickets are from peru and japan. also, find out how much they are willing to spend (so you might not have to fundraise for their entire flight)


if it was me organizing it, i would set up a standard donation ($5, $10, doesn't really matter) just so you can find out how many people it will take. of course, people can donate as much as they want to. the only thing is you have to decide who you would rather bring over here, seing as it is a lot easier to raise funds for one person than two.

 

[asianaussie]

fund me, i need a vacation

Spoiler

half serious

 

[Olikus]

The 3 I would most like to see at apex is Gerson, Jousuke and Bear.

Lets fund those 3.

 

[Han Solo]

tears won't move me

Will a Luigi ditto MM allow you to show me compassion?

 

[TheMagistrate]

Still dont get the comparision to chess, it's not a video game...Its a game you actually MAKE a living off of... got 5000$ after winning a tournament and receiving my norm....So yeah, its worth play this game for money in the long run. But comparing a distinguished board game to smash is dumb and im not being bias either..I enjoy playing smash. But why not compare it to star craft or some ****.

.....-_- [/SPOILER]

what you are saying is very misleading though. you may have won 5K once, but that doesn't happen very often at all. Ive seen other IMs barely make a few hundred after winning or placing. A few years back, at the Chicago Open, I distinctly remember Emory Tate being upset with the winnings in the Open Class.

 

[weedwack]

prisonchild, thank you for taking the time to elaborate on what i was saying. Battlecow, you were being pretty condescending towards my opinion, which I feel is strongly routed in common sense. For example, you made a good amount of money at FC, but did you haul a net profit from your trip? Do you cherish the few bucks you made or the memory of the trip more? The tournament experience and love of the game is what brings the community together, not the promise of winnings. If you feel differently, I believe you are one of a very few.

raising the entrance fee would be lame and discourage newcomers, while paying for people to come would enhance the experience of the tournament for everyone.

 

[Surri-Sama]

I believe you are one of a very few.

I have to steal one from Ricky


No

 

[weedwack]

great point, you are a master of reasoning and thought.

 

[Battlecow]

prisonchild, thank you for taking the time to elaborate on what i was saying. Battlecow, you were being pretty condescending towards my opinion, which I feel is strongly routed in common sense. For example, you made a good amount of money at FC, but did you haul a net profit from your trip? Do you cherish the few bucks you made or the memory of the trip more? The tournament experience and love of the game is what brings the community together, not the promise of winnings. If you feel differently, I believe you are one of a very few.

raising the entrance fee would be lame and discourage newcomers, while paying for people to come would enhance the experience of the tournament for everyone.

I'm sorry if I was too abrupt with you. You hit one of my buttons; we get the "this game came out in 1999, why take it seriously?" card a lot, and I think it's utter bull****. If we like the game, we like it, and I see no reason that an arbitrary age limit should be imposed on any game that remains better than its successors competitively in the eyes of those who play it.

The idea of this thread was to increase the winnings of the best players via donations--I frowned on that for some of the reasons you illustrated. OF COURSE smash isn't about the money, for me or anyone. I'm really scratching my head over some of the assumptions you're making here--you seem to think that I don't believe in the tourney experience and love of the game? Nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, my annoyance at your declaration that it was silly to play this game for money but perfectly reasonable to play newer ones sprang from said love and experience.

I was suggesting a higher entrance fee because it rewards people who are super good and because it encourages them to come and makes a more badass tourney, and because no one who really loves the game is going to flake over $5-10, especially when travel costs are so much more than tourney entry fees, as well as making us more legitimate in the eyes of other communities. I would not be one of the people making money off of this (at Apex) as everyone knows.

And yes, I did make a net profit at FC. No, I'm not poor enough for a couple hundred bucks to matter in any real way financially, but playing for money is a lot of fun.

 

[weedwack]

No such deceleration was made. My statement was posed in the conditional form of (if..then).

(assumptionception, lol)

I am more concerned about heinous $60 fees, as was the entrance fee at fc I believe? anything below $15 is reasonable to me.


Wasn't trying to come off as judgmental about taking an old game seriously. I take smash kinda seriously myself. I am, after all, posting on a forum about smash.

 

[Surri-Sama]

great point, you are a master of reasoning and thought.

He certainly is.

 

[Battlecow]

Oh, definitely not like $60. That'd be a bit much. I was talking about bumping it from $5 to maybe $15 or whatever.