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Anyone else starting to lose intrest? *Small rant of what we know so far*

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Shark X

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Lets list our Pros and Cons from what we know. Mine first. And this is mostly opinion (although I'm sure some people agree with some cons).

Okay, I still fully intend to get this game, I just won't like it as much as Melee. Melee had one thing, and one thing only that disappointed me (two things, but I didn't realise the second one until a month later). It had no Meta Knight. But it had Mewtwo, which made up for it (secondly, Zelda sucks compared to Sheik, even the COM seemed to know this, as it choose to mostly always play as Sheik).

This game, having Meta Knight comfirmed from the start, as well as adding Snake and Pit to the mix, made me want this game, bad. A year later, the dojo opens up, and...lots of good and bad comes from it.

One thing that I need to get out of the way, because it's Nintendo's fault, and not the game. The lack of online chat sucks. You won't be able to chat with your friends online while you bash them around, or ask your team mate to help set the enemy up for a Meteor Smash or anything. Anyway, Nintendo's fault, not Brawl.


Okay, now where should we start? Characters I guess. My personal pros and cons of certain characters.

Pros: Meta Knight, Snake, and Pit

Cons: Zero Suit Samus, Peach, Red, and lack of Deoxys.

Ike, I could care less for, as I hate the gameplay of the Fire Emblem games. And, from that series, no one can top Marth to me.

Pros: Meta Knight is my top favorite character in the Nintendo universe. Followed by Mewtwo. Meta Knight needed to be here since Melee, so it's about **** time. Snake, I honestly believe with the humor of his games, he fits in here. I love Snake, and his games anyway. As for Pit, I hate Pit. Captain N made me hate Pit. I never played the game until after Pit was confirmed, and as it turns out...I hate the game to. Why is Pit a Pro then? He looks so **** awesome.

I'll have to list the Cons seperately.

Peach: One word. Toad. The new picks kinda prove to me that Toad was left out again. Nintendo has sort of screwed him every since they turned him into an

entire race. What happened to the Mario Bros 2 Toad, Wario Woods Toad, Mario Kart Toad that we all used to love? On the other hand, Peaches dress looks amazing. I just hope they fix her voice. She's had the more terrible voice since Mario Sunshine. Her and Bowser for that matter. Give us back Bowser's Melee roars.

Red: Now I admit, I wanted this to happen (mainly in the form of May or Dawn, just two cute girls), but not like this. I wanted the character to do the direct fighting, and use Pokemon as B moves. This just...arg. I guess I COULD say this at least makes Charizard playable. No I can't, considering we are forced to switch away from Charizard often.

Deoxys: Deoxys I could care less about. I prefer Lucario. My cousin complains ALOT about the lack of Deoxys though, so in my opinion, alot of you must agree with this.

Zero Suit Samus: I'm sure we can all agree that we got screwed here. We thought we'd have a fully playable character, and we get screwed. It's obvious Smash Balls will be rare, so we will rarely get to Transform into her. And when we die, I'm sure we turn back into Normal Samus. Only way I can see ZZS being playable, if we have nothing but Smash Balls turned on, and set to Very High. And even then, the computer, or other players will abuse their Final Smashes. On top of that, many of us like playing without items to be more, as some call it, 'Professional' (not my word, but it works). This means ZZS will never be playable.


Now, lets move onto How to Play.

Standard Combo's: The ability to simply hold down the button for combo's gives me mixed reactions. Great for me because I can do it easier now...bad for me because so can they...

Footstool Jump: This one I find 100% useless and annoying.

Tether Recovery: Why did they show us Zero Suit Samus doing this? She's not playable or anything >.>


Game Modes now.

Names: Okay this is bad, very, very bad. Why? Because they still only allow four letters for a name. What the hell should I call myself, Shar? Sark? Names in Melee, and Brawl, are just stupid unless they allow up to 6 or more letters for names. At least 5. Many people can come up with more 5 letter names than four...

Stickers: This...seems boreing to me. Otherwise I guess it's okay if it only appears in a certain mode. I'd hate to be destracted by it and chaseing after it every time. This will be much worse if these replace trophies.


Lets skip items and Stages for now and skip to music.

So far, I hate most of what we've been given. I so far only like Battlefeid fully, a part of Ridley's theme, and just the Saria's Song in Zelda's music. The Kid Icarus music is okay. I hate all the rest.


While I do not play with Items, I like most of what we have so far. I always hated Creates and Barrels, so thats not new to me.

Assist Trophies: I was pissed when I first saw Samurai Goroh's name, but thats only because I first, I assumed he was being named as a playable character, and I did not want him. After this, I was careful with jumping to conclusions, and pretty much feared seeing names of characters I actually like being turned into this.

Otherwise I love the idea of Assist Trophies.


And finally, stages.

Honestly, I mostly love all confirmed stages so far but a few.

Bridge of Eldin: Judgeing from the Zelda music we've heard, and the layout of the stage, I have a strong feeling I'll hate this level.

Rumble Falls: Ice Climber scrolling levels like these, I hate them straight to hell. And honestly, out of ALL the settings from the Donkey Kong Country series, don't you think they could finally use something besides a tired old jungle? Gangplank Gallion? Crocodile Isle? Anything? Same for Yoshi Story for that matter...I'm sick of that **** level.

Skyworld: I hate this for the soul reason that all platforms are destructible, leaving us little to nothing to stand on.

Castle Siege: The top part looks great, the middle part looks boring, and why the hell is the bottom part such a secret? Is it worse than the middle part? And since your forced from the top part earlier...unless you somehow return to the top part and rotate between the three parts, I won't like this level much at all.

Smashville: I don't hate this level yet, and it looks amazing, but so far, it looks too flat and small, with only one smaller flat platform. I don't think I'll have fun with this level.


Okay, thats my rant that I spent an hour on. What are yours? What do you believe will be your major pros and cons?

EDIT: Wow. I copied and pasted this from a wordpad, so it looks kinda screwed up. I'll fix it in a second.
 

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I'm only losing in interest because certain people wont stop complaining about who is in it or who isn't in it, and all the other complainers who think they already know everything about the game when they haven't even played it yet.
 

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Eh. XD

I gotta disagree with the Peach thing. I'm GLAD Toad isn't in as a playable char. Why? They just make him more and more generic! Plus, he's best as a B move, he can stay that way. D:
 

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I'm losing interest because we still have no online details, and only 2 new characters since the 'ol E3.
 

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I see the point in some of your complaints like the music and Toad and agree.

However I don't think those few things as a whole will ruin the whole experience for us.
 

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Not so much losing interest as worried. I've been as interested if not more especially with all of the chat going on about the updates and ideas being proposed. I think I am so much more interested with these updates, with all the possibilities, than ever before. The only thing is a slight worry of no online play or if my favorite characters will appear in this game.
 

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I do think that when you die as Zero Suit Samus, you return as Zero Suit Samus.

The rest of your rant is mostly personal opinions I just don't agree with. I'm still very hyped for this game, and unless they are really stupid with their character choices, I will probably like this one better than Melee.
 

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I do think that when you die as Zero Suit Samus, you return as Zero Suit Samus.

The rest of your rant is mostly personal opinions I just don't agree with. I'm still very hyped for this game, and unless they are really stupid with their character choices, I will probably like this one better than Melee.
As I said, all of my rant is opinion.

I forgot to mention three things.

Online: While now that there will be no voice chat, so online will be useless for me, I still strongly believe we will have online play.

Costumes: While I'm sure I read somewhere that Sakuri had confirmed constumes, this can still be a lie, or stretch of the truth. Their costumes, could mean simple Melee style color changes, or Pokemon costumes...so this worries me so far. I'm sure they will screw us over again on this issue, or not give us good costumes...

Story: Now this actually has me the most interested of anything in the game. It's sort of like a Nintendo version of Kingdom Hearts so far, with Meta Knight seemingly being the main bad guy. I'm soo loving this feature so far. Although I fear the game will be too easy. Only way I can see them makeing this any difficult, Stamina mode as your HP for Adventure. I don't think I've ever been killed in Melee's Adventure mode aside from Giga Bowser.
 

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you dont like much of anything, do you? complain about small levels, complain about big levels, complain about simple levels, complain about complex levels...
Where the hell did you read that? Simple levels are the best, big levels are okay, complex...depends on what you mean, and small levels, yeah, I complain if they are so small, four people can barely stand on it, not to mention just one person with a Super Mushroom.
 

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One thing that I need to get out of the way, because it's Nintendo's fault, and not the game. The lack of online chat sucks. You won't be able to chat with your friends online while you bash them around, or ask your team mate to help set the enemy up for a Meteor Smash or anything. Anyway, Nintendo's fault, not Brawl.


Zero Suit Samus: I'm sure we can all agree that we got screwed here. We thought we'd have a fully playable character, and we get screwed. It's obvious Smash Balls will be rare, so we will rarely get to Transform into her. And when we die, I'm sure we turn back into Normal Samus. Only way I can see ZZS being playable, if we have nothing but Smash Balls turned on, and set to Very High. And even then, the computer, or other players will abuse their Final Smashes. On top of that, many of us like playing without items to be more, as some call it, 'Professional' (not my word, but it works). This means ZZS will never be playable.


Footstool Jump: This one I find 100% useless and annoying.

Tether Recovery: Why did they show us Zero Suit Samus doing this? She's not playable or anything >.>


Stickers: This...seems boreing to me. Otherwise I guess it's okay if it only appears in a certain mode. I'd hate to be destracted by it and chaseing after it every time. This will be much worse if these replace trophies.


Skyworld: I hate this for the soul reason that all platforms are destructible, leaving us little to nothing to stand on.

Castle Siege: The top part looks great, the middle part looks boring, and why the hell is the bottom part such a secret? Is it worse than the middle part? And since your forced from the top part earlier...unless you somehow return to the top part and rotate between the three parts, I won't like this level much at all.

Smashville: I don't hate this level yet, and it looks amazing, but so far, it looks too flat and small, with only one smaller flat platform. I don't think I'll have fun with this level.
How can you even TRY to say these kind of things without playing the game?
Dumb. Dumb. DUMB.
 

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Zamus could still be a separate character. It hasn't been confirmed whether or not she isn't or is yet. You may jumping the gun on that one. And I'm still pumped for this game.
 

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Pros: The game

Cons: People on Smashboards complaining about every little thing before they know any actual details.
 

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Your rant is sound and I agree with all of it, except for the Peach part. Toad shouldn't be a character he's crap.
 

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Zamus could still be a separate character. It hasn't been confirmed whether or not she isn't or is yet. You may jumping the gun on that one. And I'm still pumped for this game.
1. We know NOTHING about Online play WHAT-SO-EVER. You can't make any judgements on what it includes or excludes. We know nothing of it.

2. In no way is it confirmed that Zero Suit Samus is playable ONLY via Final Smash. Note the word: ONLY.

3. 100% Useless? Are you a casual smasher? Do you ever spike anyone, EVER? How can you say it's 100% Useless if you've never tried it on an opponent? Now characters without spikes have one.

4. Refer to number 2.

5. Skyworld, how do you know EVERY platform can be destroyed? I'm pretty sure not every character can fly, so there MUST be somewhere to stand on this stage.

6. The rest of the things I quoted you on are just your opinions. But I still say you can't judge the game until you've played it.


You gripe like Dylan_Tnga, just alot less intelligently.

I'm done with this thread.
 

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We're all hoping that she is a seperate character. :urg:
I hoped that too, even thought maybe there would be a, hold certain button when selecting Zelda to transform into Sheik style for her, but people on Gamefaqs made a pretty good point on how transforming into ZSS would be pointless for Samus' final smash if ZZS was playable anyway.
 

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I hate when my intrests get loose.

Why are you listening to people on gamefaqs for? What if ZSS has a FS that turns her back into Samus? Would that make Samus' FS pointless?
 

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Im pretty sure you will be able to just choose Samus, hold down a certain button and start out with Zamus, just like you could with Sheik. Then when you get a final smash with Zamus she puts her suit back on somehow... just my theory
 

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1. We know NOTHING about Online play WHAT-SO-EVER. You can't make any judgements on what it includes or excludes. We know nothing of it.

2. In no way is it confirmed that Zero Suit Samus is playable ONLY via Final Smash. Note the word: ONLY.

3. 100% Useless? Are you a casual smasher? Do you ever spike anyone, EVER? How can you say it's 100% Useless if you've never tried it on an opponent? Now characters without spikes have one.

4. Refer to number 2.

5. Skyworld, how do you know EVERY platform can be destroyed? I'm pretty sure not every character can fly, so there MUST be somewhere to stand on this stage.

6. The rest of the things I quoted you on are just your opinions. But I still say you can't judge the game until you've played it.


You gripe like Dylan_Tnga, just alot less intelligent.

I'm done with this thread.
What the hell are you getting this from in his quote?

1. Duh.

2. I just made my point.

3. Okay you lost me here. I now have no idea what your talking about.

4. What the hell are you talking about?

5. Either they said in on the site (computer is too slow to check) or it showed every platform being destroied in the video.

6. Pratically all of it are my opinions.

Good. Now you can stop flaming people and move on with your life.
 

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1. We know NOTHING about Online play WHAT-SO-EVER. You can't make any judgements on what it includes or excludes. We know nothing of it.

2. In no way is it confirmed that Zero Suit Samus is playable ONLY via Final Smash. Note the word: ONLY.

3. 100% Useless? Are you a casual smasher? Do you ever spike anyone, EVER? How can you say it's 100% Useless if you've never tried it on an opponent? Now characters without spikes have one.

4. Refer to number 2.

5. Skyworld, how do you know EVERY platform can be destroyed? I'm pretty sure not every character can fly, so there MUST be somewhere to stand on this stage.

6. The rest of the things I quoted you on are just your opinions. But I still say you can't judge the game until you've played it.


You gripe like Dylan_Tnga, just alot less intelligently.

I'm done with this thread.
LOL, I think you quoted the wrong guy. :)
 

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i think Zamus's final smash will be some sort of magnetic orb that expands around her from her gun, hitting surrounding enemies and then the peices of her suit come back making her become Samus again.
 

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What the hell are you getting this from in his quote?

1. Duh.

2. I just made my point.

3. Okay you lost me here. I now have no idea what your talking about.

4. What the hell are you talking about?

5. Either they said in on the site (computer is too slow to check) or it showed every platform being destroied in the video.

6. Pratically all of it are my opinions.

Good. Now you can stop flaming people and move on with your life.
Ugh one last post. 3 is the footstool jump. Mostly everything that wasnt your opinion I replied in the same order of the topics I included in my first post.
 

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I biggest gripe is no Zero Suit Samus. And no, it won't get better, unless they make her a seperate character, which they won't.
1) You don't know that.
2) They probably will, they must know that many people turn off items, so having her available as a separate character is a must, especially if they went to all that trouble to design her.
 

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Zamus could still be a separate character. It hasn't been confirmed whether or not she isn't or is yet. You may jumping the gun on that one. And I'm still pumped for this game.
In the last issue of NP they hinted that she might be her own character after all... The article read something along the lines of "Is she just a result of her Final Smash?..." Which is usually nintendo's lame "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" kind of half-answer to something...
 

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In the last issue of NP they hinted that she might be her own character after all... The article read something along the lines of "Is she just a result of her Final Smash?..." Which is usually nintendo's lame "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" kind of half-answer to something...
From my experience with Nintendo Power, they are usually wrong about a lot of things. This being more than a decade ago, so for all I know, they could be better. But I've heard people say they aren't any better, and aren't very reliable.
 

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In the last issue of NP they hinted that she might be her own character after all... The article read something along the lines of "Is she just a result of her Final Smash?..." Which is usually nintendo's lame "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" kind of half-answer to something...
Yeah I have that latest issue.
 

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From my experience with Nintendo Power, they are usually wrong about a lot of things. This being more than a decade ago, so for all I know, they could be better. But I've heard people say they aren't any better, and aren't very reliable.
There usually only wrong in there opinions of things though... Not in games that they have direct links to sources of information in...
 

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You're making a lot of assumptions which lead you to jumped, negative conclusions.

.On-line chat isn't enabled? What if Wii made online chat enabled? What if 2v2 online play wasn't permissible, due to lag?

.What if you could play Zamus without the use of a smash ball? We still do not know if Zamus can be attained in any other way.

.What if Peach is more balanced? You shouldn't let your opinion of one character you don't like to fight ruin the game experience.

.If Toad was in the game, what would he honestly do? Yes, he deserves the love, be he honestly isn't a brawler.

.So what if Red wasn't what you were hoping for? What if the pokemon you could use were very cool and challenging to master?

.Also, how can you tell how useless something is, such as the Toadstool Jump? There have been many responses from useless to the most overpowered thing ever. Why can't you just wait before assuming?

.Four letter name. Big deal. So I can't be Shark? It's just a tag. If you're play style or ability doesn't speak for itself, you're just asking for a minor detail.

.Why are you so critical as to how Sakurai or what Sakurai is presenting thru Dojo? If you're always going to approach Brawl and expect it to be exactly what you wanted, catering exactly what you needed, why do you check the Dojo? Was Melee exactly what you thought it was? Did it evolve as the community evolved?

.Lastly, how can any news be bad news about a video game? The only news I can really think of without started negative thinking and purposely finding faults, is deconfirmation of characters. And what did you expect? You didn't really lose anything, you just didn't gain anything.
 

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You're making a lot of assumptions which lead you to jumped, negative conclusions.

.On-line chat isn't enabled? What if Wii made online chat enabled? What if 2v2 online play wasn't permissible, due to lag?

.What if you could play Zamus without the use of a smash ball? We still do not know if Zamus can be attained in any other way.

.What if Peach is more balanced? You shouldn't let your opinion of one character you don't like to fight ruin the game experience.

.If Toad was in the game, what would he honestly do? Yes, he deserves the love, be he honestly isn't a brawler.

.So what if Red wasn't what you were hoping for? What if the pokemon you could use were very cool and challenging to master?

.Also, how can you tell how useless something is, such as the Toadstool Jump? There have been many responses from useless to the most overpowered thing ever. Why can't you just wait before assuming?

.Four letter name. Big deal. So I can't be Shark? It's just a tag. If you're play style or ability doesn't speak for itself, you're just asking for a minor detail.

.Why are you so critical as to how Sakurai or what Sakurai is presenting thru Dojo? If you're always going to approach Brawl and expect it to be exactly what you wanted, catering exactly what you needed, why do you check the Dojo? Was Melee exactly what you thought it was? Did it evolve as the community evolved?

.Lastly, how can any news be bad news about a video game? The only news I can really think of without started negative thinking and purposely finding faults, is deconfirmation of characters. And what did you expect? You didn't really lose anything, you just didn't gain anything.
Mainly because I believed that the last chance we had for a headset for voice chat would be Medal of Honer Heroes 2, and thats been confirmed to not have voice chat. I doubt Nintendo would make a headset ONLY for a 4 player online game.

Okay I'm pretty sure my only gripe about Peach was Toad not being playable. Maybe your confuseing my Peach gripe with my Zelda gripe.

All sorts of things. See Toad topics.

I could care less. I have Ivysaur, and between the Three, I would only use Charizard, which favortizm would get me killed alot. It IS interesting, for other people, but not my style, and not the playable pokemon trainer type I was hoping for. This is only MY con.

I have no clue what your talking about here.

To this day (six years later), I'm still trying to come up with a Four letter name in Melee.

I'm sure my first post stated that Melee did turn out how I expected, and lack of Meta Knight was my only gripe about Melee. Otherwise I loved everything I saw before Melee was released. Thats why Brawl is disappointing me so far. Because unlike Melee, this one actually is giving me worry.

I don't understand what your saying here.
 
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