An amateur's opinions on Final Destination vs. Battlefield

[D-idara]

FIxed for truth

Yeah, because deeming all other ways to play the game 'worthless' sure sounds logical.

 

[josh bones]

Yeah, because deeming all other ways to play the game 'worthless' sure sounds logical.

How are we deeming all other ways worthless? If you want to play on temple in FFA's fine, but were not adding it to tourneys, and we're definitely not calling it worthless

 

[TweetyPurd]

Would agree but this is Sakurai we are talking about lol. He doesn't do his homework on the competitive community. Nintendo does though so maybe there is a very small chance.

yes, i think that each stage could have a battlefield variation, where there are no hazards, but some platforms.
Like Willys Castle could have the platforms moving along the coloured tracks
Mario Galaxy could have a slight curve to it still, no walkoffs, but still a slight gravity change
Town and City could have platforms that move a bit slower so that characters dont get stuck and fly off the map

if this kind of mindset went into the stages, it would create a list that gives variety, but still "tournament legal"

 

[D-idara]

How are we deeming all other ways worthless? If you want to play on temple in FFA's fine, but were not adding it to tourneys, and we're definitely not calling it worthless

Not adding it to tourneys is one thing, not playing anything but tournament rules...now that's dumb. For Glory's nothing close to FFA on Temple.

 

[josh bones]

Not adding it to tourneys is one thing, not playing anything but tournament rules...now that's dumb. For Glory's nothing close to FFA on Temple.

FOr glory is :
A: Probably time
B: Is ranked by single player
C: no platforms
that seems reasonable enough

 

[Sobreviviente]

I love for glory
is like for fun
but competitive.

 

[LancerStaff]

FOr glory is :
A: Probably time
B: Is ranked by single player
C: no platforms
that seems reasonable enough

"Probably" time? It's "probably" anything that's not coin mode. We don't know at all yet.

Ranked by single player? No, GSP has absolutely nothing to do with the online modes.

 

[josh bones]

"Probably" time? It's "probably" anything that's not coin mode. We don't know at all yet.

Ranked by single player? No, GSP has absolutely nothing to do with the online modes.

he said, the better you do in single player modes, the higher ranking you get

 

[D-idara]

FOr glory is :
A: Probably time
B: Is ranked by single player
C: no platforms
that seems reasonable enough

I'm holding my laughter here, looks like you watched a re-edited version of the Direct pieced together by Smash4 haters to take Sakurai's words out of context and stitch them together, Global Smash Power IS SOMETHING COMPLETELY APART FROM FOR GLORY RANKINGS, For Glory will use an invisible ranking system, probably Win-Loss ratio. For Glory's also probably stock, as Nintendo seems to understand that 1vs1 should be done with stocks. You've got most of your stuff backwards, buddy, also, if Sakurai's really taking feedback seriously, then he must have listened to the tons of people who demand for platforms on FG.

 

[josh bones]

I'm holding my laughter here, looks like you watched a re-edited version of the Direct pieced together by Smash4 haters to take Sakurai's words out of context and stitch them together, Global Smash Power IS SOMETHING COMPLETELY APART FROM FOR GLORY RANKINGS, For Glory will use an invisible ranking system, probably Win-Loss ratio. For Glory's also probably stock, as Nintendo seems to understand that 1vs1 should be done with stocks. You've got most of your stuff backwards, buddy, also, if Sakurai's really taking feedback seriously, then he must have listened to the tons of people who demand for platforms on FG.

A: Sakurai said there isnt a ranking system
B: In the actual video, marth died and there was no stock icon.
C: I was wrong about GSP tho
WHo was watching the wrong video here?

 

[D-idara]

A: Sakurai said there isnt a ranking system
B: In the actual video, marth died and there was no stock icon.
C: I was wrong about GSP tho
WHo was watching the wrong video here?

You, you assume from the fact that Marth died and there was no stock icon that Time is the only setting for For Glory.
Sakurai said "There won't be a ranking system, but there will be some sort of matchmaking involved, to put players with people of their level" so there will be some sort of invisible ELO to put you with people on your skill level, do you really need rankings to enhance your ego?

 

[josh bones]

You, you assume from the fact that Marth died and there was no stock icon that Time is the only setting for For Glory.
Sakurai said "There won't be a ranking system, but there will be some sort of matchmaking involved, to put players with people of their level" so there will be some sort of invisible ELO to put you with people on your skill level, do you really need rankings to enhance your ego?

Think about it:
A: If stock was on, and there is mostly ffa's people would ragequit after they lost
B: Its not too considering sakurai's love for time
C: Where did I say I needed rankings?

 

[TurnUp]

For glory contains a timed mode with free for all, that's the most we can say. I think stock may be an option for 1 on 1s. The only final destination appeals to the Japanese players who play on FD only as well as all the people on Brawls wifi who choose FD as well which is VERY often.

 

[pizzapie7]

Was not aware of the Japanese meta. Actually surprised they do so well when they come over here if they primarily practice solely on one stage. Different communities I suppose.

By removing items and gimmicky stages you're removing a chunk of the game, but the community seems to be perfectly OK with that. Also, this 'I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole, I'm a pro so I only play with my own perfect rules' mentality is REALLY irritating and infuriating to watch.

God, you are a ray of sunshine, aren't you?

You could argue that by using stocks instead of time or coins we're removing a chunk of the game. Items can be turned on and off at whim, they're unimportant to what Smash is. In my opinion there are certain stages that are more fun to play on than others. Some people feel that certain stages are more conducive to a competitive environment. Either way, there's nothing saying all stages have to be used. Again, that's not really as big of a change as removing stage selection altogether. That's my opinion.

I'm not a pro, nothing close to it. I just don't find For Glory appealing so I'm not going to play it, I prefer the rules that I play with my friends. I'd even prefer tournament standard rules. Final Destination does nothing for me.

And I'd be an even bigger ray of sunshine if Sakurai hadn't already pissed on my dreams once qq

 

[LeeYawshee]

The super competitive players don't have to touch for Glory, I can bet you that most people will do it anyways. I know so many people (not casual, not competitive) who are very excited for Glory mode simply because it will be "semi-competitive". Final Destination might not be a popular stage for a lot of you, but it is incredibly popular to those that are in between casual and competitive.

For Glory mode will not be forgotten, even if a lot of people despise it.

I for one will find myself not caring about the online due to how many people that live less than 5 miles away from me and play Smash (between competitive and casual like myself).

Maybe Sakurai really is listening. Just not to who WE want him to listen to.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I feel like we should just talk about Dragon Ball Z.

 

[ShrekItRalph]

I think the thing that a lot of people don't understand is that "For Glory" was never meant to cater to the competitive crowd. It was more a way to break up the two largest groups who played online on brawl being the "Casual Competitives" which only ever played on final destination and the people who had any stages with all items on.

 

[Chiroz]

Exactly which part of the minority was this designed in mind for? I don't know of anyone in the competitive community who would be supportive or happy with a ruleset with only one stage. Even the most hyper conservative players tend to like 5 stages in Melee and Brawl, and Final Destination is pretty far down the list in terms of being a favorite out of those in both games.

You guys should also understand that according to Brawl online numbers and polls about 7/10 games are played on FD. This means that out of all stages EVER in smash, FD is picked 7 more times than all of them combined. This means that the community which plays online actually believes "FD only" is a fun way of playing the game.

No matter what your opinion is, if a stage gets picked more than every other single stage combined it should probably get its own mode.

 

[PKBeam]

FD = overrated.
Most people don't complain because

1. They don't realist how dumb a matchup can turn into
2. They never get the chance to experience other stages, they use casuals' logic to come up with FD as the only good competitive stage

For Glory is SUPPOSED to cater to competitive players.
So how do you cater to competitives? You make a game with a high skill ceiling.
How do you make a high skill ceiling? You make it easy for players to show who's better by displaying their skill effectively.

lacks approach options (platforms) and emphasises grab releases, both of which lower the skill ceiling.
, provide approach options and both add an important part of the metagame - platform pressure.

FD has pretty much NO advantages over the other two as a stage, and the only thing that'll make it better is if Smash 4 takes the focus OFF camping (looks like SSBB Wii U atm so not looking good).

Even if it does, you still have problems that arise because of having a stagelist of ONE stage with minor variations.
Some characters are going to have advantages on that stagelist.

What if a character is broken on FD but gets bodied on any other stage? Isn't it in the slightest unfair if a mid tier suddenly wrecks a top tier (who would otherwise +3 them) because you're forced to choose ONE stage? The reverse, however, is also true which is why we must include at LEAST FD and BF if not SV.

FD is a good stage, but only on a good stagelist.

if a stage gets picked more than every other single stage combined it should probably get its own mode.

That's fine and all, but what's happening is that you have to choose either one or the other.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to have a match on Battlefield/Smashville without items, atm.

THIS is the problem, we must choose between two set modes, we cannot have something in-between. The best thing that could happen is if an additional "competitive" mode were to be added, with a stagelist capable of sufficently supporting competitive play, no items ofc and even timed stock matches.

Oh, and a Taunt Party mode would be awesome.

 

[Chiroz]

FD is a good stage, but only on a good stagelist.

That's fine and all, but what's happening is that you have to choose either one or the other.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to have a match on Battlefield/Smashville without items, atm.

THIS is the problem, we must choose between two set modes, we cannot have something in-between. The best thing that could happen is if an additional "competitive" mode were to be added, with a stagelist capable of sufficently supporting competitive play, no items ofc and even timed stock matches.

Oh, and a Taunt Party mode would be awesome.

I am all for more stages without items. I would love for platform variants to be added into For Glory, my was just explaining why For Glory is the way it is. It wasn't due to "generalizations" or "bad research from Sakurai". It was a logical decision to give the vast majority of online players the mode they play the most on a "quick find" fashion (Based on the recorded stats of people who have already played the game online).

 

[majorasmaskfan]

Yeah, because deeming all other ways to play the game 'worthless' sure sounds logical.

Yup cause competitive smashers spend their life thinking "people who play this game however they want are evil" No no one does that