Alternate Costumes

[Shuma]

Midna is important... hence why the game is called "Twilight princess".

 

[maxieman]

It's okay to include Daisy and call her Peach? Yes.
Is it okay to include Wolf and call him Fox? Yes.

I still see no problem. Sure, maybe some modification to the moveset as to make Midna's magic a different color like with Ganondorf as opposed to Captain Falcon in Melee, but it can be easily done.

Midna is too unique to be a recolor, she should be a PC/AT or not be in the game at all

Wolf, daisy, and blaze however are all clones and unimportant to their series (Wolf is important although there is nothing unique about him in attacks)

 

[vesperview]

I said they weren't important. Reread it plz.

Still Midna is a major Zelda character and deserves her own spot Blaze is not a major Sonic character, not important enough to be even a recolor.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Well, that's your opinion. I think it's an excellent idea to include characters and avoid clones.

I meant to say the update would be stupid and an utter waste considering that most of the fans already know about it.

 

[Reyairia]

Still Midna is a major Zelda character and deserves her own spot Blaze is not a major Sonic character, not important enough to be even a recolor.

I disagree. Midna is only a major character in one game, much like Tippi is in Super Paper Mario. Wait though, Tippi is more important because she's the reason why the whole game starts in the first place, never mind.

 

[vesperview]

I disagree. Midna is only a major character in one game, much like Tippi is in Super Paper Mario. Wait though, Tippi is more important because she's the reason why the whole game starts in the first place, never mind.

Sheik kills your argument and Midna is the reason why TP starts, so what's your point?

 

[Reyairia]

Sheik kills your argument and Midna is the reason why TP starts, so what's your point?

Sheik is still part of Zelda, who is recurring, important and part of the triforce three.

Twilight Princess is still only one game, and it starts because Zant wanted to take over the normal world or something.

 

[Zevox]

I disagree. Midna is only a major character in one game, much like Tippi is in Super Paper Mario. Wait though, Tippi is more important because she's the reason why the whole game starts in the first place, never mind.

*chuckles* And you completely missed that the same, and more, can be said of Midna? Really, her entire game revolves around her - her lost kingdom, Zant and Ganondorf's abuse of her stolen powers, her desire to save her realm and the realm world, her knowledge of how to do it. Shes far more important to TP than Tippi is to Super Paper Mario - Midna is the main character of Twilight Princess (hence why it uses her title as its name). Link is just her puppet; he could be cut out entirely and Midna made the PC and the only thing that would change is the gameplay.

Sheik is still part of Zelda, who is recurring, important and part of the triforce three.

Aye, Zelda is a recurring, important character to the series. Sheik is just a disguise of hers, which is significantly less important than her - less important than many characters throughout the series, for that matter. Midna, Vaati, Skull Kid, Majora's Mask, Twinrova- the list of characters from Zelda with bigger roles than Sheik is huge.

Twilight Princess is still only one game, and it starts because Zant wanted to take over the normal world or something.

It starts because Zant was jealous of Midna and ambitious, and Ganondorf used him as a tool to escape his imprisonment. So in exchange for his service, Ganondorf gave Zant power enough to take Midna's powers, and he turned her into the Imp form she has for most of the game and began to use her realm and powers to aid Ganondorf's ambitions. All this revolves around Midna's realm and powers, which Zant wanted for himself and Ganondorf wanted to use to free himself, and it is her quest to retake them that Link gets caught up in when his world becomes affected by it.

Zevox

 

[vesperview]

Sheik is still part of Zelda, who is recurring, important and part of the triforce three.

Twilight Princess is still only one game, and it starts because Zant wanted to take over the normal world or something.

So? Sheik is a part of Zelda yet I haven't seen Sheik in another Zelda game, FAIL! and TP starts because Midna takes Wolf Link to Zelda, otherwise Link would have no idea what's going on.

 

[maxieman]

Sheik is only a part of OoT zelda every other zelda cannot turn into Sheik

 

[Shuma]

And Sheik is a transexual.

 

[Reyairia]

So? Sheik is a part of Zelda yet I haven't seen Sheik in another Zelda game, FAIL! and TP starts because Midna takes Wolf Link to Zelda, otherwise Link would have no idea what's going on.

This time around popularity is much more important and all the noobs want Sheik back, FAIL!
And Super Paper Mario starts because Tippi takes Mario to Merlon, otherwise Mario would have no idea what's going on.

 

[vesperview]

This time around popularity is much more important and all the noobs want Sheik back, FAIL!
And Super Paper Mario starts because Tippi takes Mario to Merlon, otherwise Mario would have no idea what's going on.

I never said I wanted Sheik back in Brawl, FAIL!

and we can both agree that Tippi and Midna are the catalysts of their own games, gold star for you.

 

[Reyairia]

*chuckles* And you completely missed that the same, and more, can be said of Midna? Really, her entire game revolves around her - her lost kingdom, Zant and Ganondorf's abuse of her stolen powers, her desire to save her realm and the realm world, her knowledge of how to do it. Shes far more important to TP than Tippi is to Super Paper Mario - Midna is the main character of Twilight Princess (hence why it uses her title as its name). Link is just her puppet; he could be cut out entirely and Midna made the PC and the only thing that would change is the gameplay.

Sorry, but I don't agree with you there.
Midna was just someone Zant threw out, while Tippi is the entire reason why Bleck decided to cause the scandal in the first place. If it weren't for Tippi, the whole situation Dark Pronogsticus situation wouldn't have happened at all. Midna was just someone who came back to bite Ganondorf and Zant's *****. And Midna could not have gotten anywhere there without Link.

Aye, Zelda is a recurring, important character to the series. Sheik is just a disguise of hers, which is significantly less important than her - less important than many characters throughout the series, for that matter. Midna, Vaati, Skull Kid, Majora's Mask, Twinrova- the list of characters from Zelda with bigger roles than Sheik is huge.

Hence why Sheik is only a transformation.

It starts because Zant was jealous of Midna and ambitious, and Ganondorf used him as a tool to escape his imprisonment. So in exchange for his service, Ganondorf gave Zant power enough to take Midna's powers, and he turned her into the Imp form she has for most of the game and began to use her realm and powers to aid Ganondorf's ambitions. All this revolves around Midna's realm and powers, which Zant wanted for himself and Ganondorf wanted to use to free himself, and it is her quest to retake them that Link gets caught up in when his world becomes affected by it.

Zevox

It starts because Zant wanted the throne and Midna just happened to be on it, her only importance in this case was just her royal position.
As for Super Paper Mario, the whole game starts completely because of Bleck's and Tippi's tragic relationship, and if it weren't for Tippi's disappearance, he would have never used the Dark Prognositcus and made a mess in the first place to start the game and it would be just another boring day without anything going boom like Luigi said.

I never said I wanted Sheik back in Brawl, FAIL!

and we can both agree that Tippi and Midna are the catalysts of their own games, gold star for you.

And I never said I didn't want Midna in Brawl, FAIL!

Great, in that case, Tippi deserves her own characters slot as well.

 

[vesperview]

Midna IS the Twilight Princess unless you can't read the game's title I have no idea why you are arguing.

 

[Reyairia]

Midna IS the Twilight Princess unless you can't read the game's title I have no idea why you are arguing.

If the Mario titles were posed with an "and the" like the Legend of Zelda series are, I wouldn't doubt Tippi being on the title as well.
And guess what? So was Din and Nayru on the title of Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages. Don't see 'em getting in Brawl.

 

[vesperview]

If the Mario titles were posed with an "and the" like the Legend of Zelda series are, I wouldn't doubt Tippi being on the title as well.
And guess what? So was Din and Nayru on the title of Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages. Don't see 'em getting in Brawl.

Stop comparing Midna to a ****ing butterfly.

 

[Reyairia]

Stop comparing Midna to a ****ing butterfly.

Stop comparing an Tippi to a ****ing imp.

 

[vesperview]

Stop comparing an Tippi to a ****ing imp.

You're the one who brought Tippi into this argument not ME, an Imp can be a playable character not a stupid butterfly.

 

[Reyairia]

You're the one who brought Tippi into this argument not ME, an Imp can be a playable character not a stupid butterfly.

Sakurai is a moveset genius, he could make a pixel playable if he wanted to.

 

[vesperview]

Sakurai is a moveset genius, he could make a pixel playable if he wanted to.

Thing is he probably doesn't, cause Tippi would suck as a playable character in Brawl and you know it, Everyone knows it, why don't you open a Tippi for SSBB thread and prove me right?

 

[Reyairia]

Thing is he probably doesn't, cause Tippi would suck as a playable character in Brawl and you know it, Everyone knows it, why don't you open a Tippi for SSBB thread and prove me right?

How would you know? Sakurai could make her a top tier if he wanted to. And unfortunately, because you "think they would suck as a playable character" is not a valid argument because I could say that about Midna or any character as well.
I'm just poking innocent fun at the Midna supporters because all their arguments can be used for Tippi and Nayru and so on and you know it.

 

[vesperview]

How would you know? Sakurai could make her a top tier if he wanted to.

Even you know that's a lie, a limbless, minuscule butterfly will never be a playable character, so let's call this argument off cause it's getting stupid.

 

[Reyairia]

Even you know that's a lie, a limbless, minuscule butterfly will never be a playable character, so let's call this argument off cause it's getting stupid.

Why not? She is just as important, if not even more important than Midna. They are both extremely important, save the protagonist's *** a number of times, are close to helpless by themselves, don't show their true form until the end and only appear in one game.
Get over it, Midna as an AT or an AC is probably the most you can aspire as much as I personally would love to play as her.

 

[Metalknux]

Fierce Diety Link was not confirmed as a costume. Dark Link was.

If this has already been said, I apologize. I didn't read the whole thread yet.

 

[vesperview]

Why not? She is just as important.

Because she is just a minuscule, limbless butterfly.

Midna is a likely PC, just because of TP's popularity and precedence in Brawl and she is not a limbless bug unlike some characters.

 

[Reyairia]

Because she is just a minuscule, limbless butterfly.

Midna is a likely PC, just because of TP's popularity and precedence in Brawl and she is not a limbless bug unlike some characters.

So? Sakurai could make Game and Watch work, and he was a 2D character. He could make any character work, he can make Tippi work even if he has to practically completely revamp the character or use a human form that didn't appear in the game if she is as deserving as to get a spot like Midna is.
Besides, Midna may have limbs, but they're useless because she only floats and only uses her hair.

Super Paper Mario is an extremely high rated game by the Mario players, and last time I checked, Mario was more recognizable than Link and is the mascot, so I'd guess more people played that game than TP and Sakurai would put it first before LoZ.
Link's items in TP aren't much different than the ones he has used in previous games and Zelda is still using close to the same moves she used in Ocarina of Time.

 

[vesperview]

So? Sakurai could make Game and Watch work, and he was a 2D character.

That's not what I'm arguing, Game and Watch is not a limbless bug even if he is 2D.

He could make any character work, he can make Tippi work even if he has to practically completely revamp the character or use a human form that didn't appear in the game if she is as deserving as to get a spot like Midna is..

Creating a human form of Tippi just for Brawl? hahahahahahahaha!

 

[Jackal478]

This thread is full of fail...

ALL OF THESE ARE REALLY LAME ALTERNATES THAT WONT HAPPEN

kthxbai?

 

[ndm508]

Well I'm just going to side-step this ridiculous argument and say what I wanted to say about, you know, the thread's topic.

While there are a ton of alternate costumes I don't agree with on the board, I am also a big supporter of them. And no, not color swaps, those don't count. I mean costumes. This includes alternate characters that would share the same character model as the originals. Tweak the speed and power and some of the moves for the characters and then bam, we got the clones back - which makes one side happy- and we don't waster roster space- makes the rest of us happy.

Besides from the way things look, I think it's probably going to happen. Like I said in another thread earlier, I will be surprised if we don't see Wario in his original costume, or Ness with his original moves switching out for Lucas-haters. That and nearly every PC we have so far has the potential for such a swap (the Kirby guys I'm not sure) . So yeah, that's just my two cents on the subject.

 

[Reyairia]

That's not what I'm arguing, Game and Watch is not a limbless bug even if he is 2D.

You're not getting the point, are you?
Sakurai can make it work, he can make anything work. Yes, that includes a limbless "bug."
And if Tippi meets the requirements as much as Midna does, then he will.

Creating a human form of Tippi just for Brawl? hahahahahahahaha!

Making a character a PC just because of their importance in one game? hahahahahahahaha!


I'm only stooping to your level of thinking, dude.

 

[vesperview]

You're not getting the point, are you?
Sakurai can make it work, he can make anything work. Yes, that includes a limbless "bug."

NO IT DOESN'T, A LIMBLESS BUG WON'T BE A PC, GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL!

Making a character a PC just because of their importance in one game? hahahahahahahaha!

That's way beyond the point, again Sheik, Ice Climbers, Roy, Ness, anyone kills that stupid argument, you just don't know what to reply do you? I'll make it even more clear so you get it okay?

PERIOD!

I'm not replying to you anymore... I've made my point clear enough.

 

[maxieman]

Reyairia Is the devils advocate and pointless to argue with as said in the users signature

we all know Tippi a butterfly with nothing going for it, no real moves, no real awesomeness can't overshadow midna... Not only is Midna important she WORKS she doesnt need sakurai to imagine up something she has moves, she has game importance, she has a large fanbase, she is awesome

If Tippi had as big a fanbase as midna than sure maybe it would have a shot but it doesnt. Midna has legions of fans, a depth and feel, a smash worthy physical form, a unique moveset thats already in front of you, and is awesome.

So I get what your saying but we have to be realistic, Tippi has pretty much no fanbase and is a butterfly

 

[Reyairia]

^ I think you overestimate popularity. -coughSamuraiGorohcough-
And unless Midna got the highest votes to the point Geno or Sonic did, I don't think popularity will make any difference.

"Awesomeness" is solely your opinion, and moves can be invented by Sakurai. And since Tippi and Midna are from different games, they wouldn't need to compete at all, so it's not like Sakurai would favor one character over the other because of how easily a moveset can be created.

PS: I actually do agree and I think Midna is more awesome than Tippi , but I'm just pointing out the facts here.

NO IT DOESN'T, A LIMBLESS BUG WON'T BE A PC, GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL!

A WHINEY IMP WON'T BE A PC EITHER, GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL!

That's way beyond the point, again Sheik, Ice Climbers, Roy, Ness, anyone kills that stupid argument, you just don't know what to reply do you? I'll make it even more clear so you get it okay?

PERIOD!

I'm not replying to you anymore... I've made my point clear enough.

Ice Climbers, Ness and roy were the protagonists in their respective games and Sheik is only part of Zelda and is probably going to come back solely out of fanservice caused by melee. Midna is neither.

I don't think Tippi is going to make it in Brawl, just like I don't think Midna will. You clearly have not read my signature.
When I argue in Brawl, most of the time I'm just holding up a mirror up to people's faces. The results are always hilarious and worth while!!!

 

[HollabackRyu]

Wow that Reyairia guy is an idiot im not surprised he wants Tippi as a character lol he thinks Blaze could be a Sonic alt.

 

[Reyairia]

Wow that Reyairia guy is an idiot im not surprised he wants Tippi as a character lol he thinks Blaze could be a Sonic alt.

Once again someone fails to realize I'm just making a point with the Midna supporters, and has failed to read my signature.

You guys here are so much fun, it brings tears to my eyes, it seriously does.

 

[vesperview]

Well considering you agree with this thread's alternate costume suggestions... I don't think your worth the argument anymore and there is no reason to think the Ice Climbers would've been in Melee considering they were a forgotten retro character, so Midna has a very good chance of being a playable character despite what you might think and to take Tippi as an argument against Midna is ******** and stupid even if it is being sarcastic, what's the word? yeah EPIC FAIL!

 

[maxieman]

This is why I read the signature and made a calm post as to why this is rediculous instead of jumping the gun and flaming the crap outta reyaria

 

[Reyairia]

Well considering you agree with this thread's alternate costume suggestions... I don't think your worth the argument anymore and there is no reason to think the Ice Climbers would've been in Melee considering they were a forgotten retro character, so Midna has a very good chance of being a playable character despite what you might think and to take Tippi as an argument against Midna is ******** and stupid even if it is being sarcastic, what's the word? yeah EPIC FAIL!

Lawl, no.
You're the one that failed for resorting to the "well, the character sucks, so he/she won't be in Brawl" argument. It was clearly a last resort, honey, so don't hide it. <3
EPIC FAIL for FAILING to realize that Midna is just as likely in as Tippi is. As much as I agree that Midna would be awesome as a PC.
~All I did was mimic your arguments, tee hee.

Also, Sakurai didn't die and decide that you would decide what is rational or irrational for Brawl, so of course I'm not going to take you seriously.

 

[HollabackRyu]

Midna is not as likely as Tippi is stop being a stupid idiot.