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Alternate Costumes/Colors in Brawl

Sandy

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Something I've never really liked about Smash Bros. is the handling of alternate costumes. For the most part, all the character gets is a mere color swap. There are a few exceptions,of course. Three of the Pokemon in Melee have different headgear, Peach has a daisy model change (new gloves, dress, crown, hair, etc.), and Falcon has the Bloodhawk costume. I'd even be willing to count Kirby's black and white costume as a clever alternative. But the other characters need some more originality thrown in, especially since many of them have had many different looks and outfits over the years.

I've never understood why HAL has been so hesitant to replicate some of these in Smas Bros. It can't be for a lack of availability (Mario could have about 50 alternate costumes), and I doubt it's because they take up too much memory or are too hard to program. Most fighting games have alternate costumes which radically alter the character's appearence, yet they still perform just as well. For example: Soul Calibur. Seung Mina has one outfit where she's basically wearing a bikini, and another where she's wearing a traditional asian dress (don't know what it's called). You'd think that her wild moveset would be restrained by the bulky dress, but it's not. Almost every character in that game has at least one (in most cases, 2) alternate costume which looks incredibly different from their standard, and they all look and perform well in battle. Ironic, though, that I use SC for an example, since Link's in the game and his alternate costumes are all SSB-ish color swaps.

So I'm holding out hope that Brawl will give us something more than mere color swaps for alternate costumes. How will they handle this? Well, I, for one, hope that alternate costumes are unlockable. It would add a flair of specialness to the costumes that would otherwise be missing. Think about how neat it would be if, instead of having it straight from the beginning, you unlocked the Daisy costume after oplaying for a while? Wouldn't that be neat? Well, I think so. Also, THIS is the way, I think, that clones should be handled. Some alternate costumes could be alternate "characters" in the sense that Daisy and Blood Falcon were alternate costumes. Dr. Mario, for instance, could be an alternate costume for Mario rather than taking up space on the character roster (with no physical changes, of course, just aesthetic). Even some of the moves for such costumes could be different in appearence (but not in function). Finally, adding new costumes to "boring" returning characters would probably boost their appeal.

Here are some of my ideas for alternate costumes in Brawl:

**MARIO**
Dr. Mario: Unlike Melee, plays exactly the same as Mario. Shoots pills instead of fireballs, but don't behave any differently or cause any more or less damage.
Hammer Bros. Mario: Homage to SMB3 (and one of my favorite Mario outfits). Black shell on back, helmet on head. Hammers instead of fireballs (again, no function change).
Paper Mario: Flat, Paper Mario-esque model of Mario and his moves.
Shadow Mario: Watery villain from Mario Sunshine. Fires paint instead of fireballs. Voice sounds all gurgly.

**Link**
Zora Armor: From Twilight Princess. Should replace the blue costume in Brawl.
Magic Armor: Ditto. Should replace the red costume in Brawl.
Fierce Deity Link: From Majora's mask. Change in appearence only (with that groovy sword, of course).
Wind Waker Link: Cel-Shaded Link with the same moveset. I'm a bit iffy on this one, since there might be a size change which could alter Link's stats.
Dark Link: I don't like those Cliché "dark" characters that every video game hero seems to have (even Meta-Knight is really just an evil version of Kirby, really), but this one should be simple enough, as evidence in SSBM (just make him all black, with red eyes).

**Pikachu**
No complaints here. The Pokemon (besides poor Metwo) have always had interesting costumes in SSB, and I hope that tradition continues.

**Kirby**
None. Kirby is one of the very few characters who I think should remain as purely color-swap. He's already got a ton of alternate costumes by copying his opponents. It'd just be too complicated.

**Fox**
Starfox Adventures: My favorite incarnation of Fox. No helmet, less-flashy boots, open-fingered gloves, backpack.
Starfox Assault: Has the outfit from SFA (vest, shoulder pads). Fires the SFA pistol.
Star Wolf: Here's where wolf should go, maybe as more of a "goodguy dressed as badguy" thing (like the Bloodhawk costume in Melee).
James McLoud: Pretty much the same has his regular costume, but with groovy shades.

**Samus** (for the record: I believe Samus and Zero-Suit Samus are seperate characters)
Power Suit: As opposed to the Varia suit we're always stuck with. I actually prefer the smaller shoulder pads.
Fusion Suit: From Metroid Fusion, we also got to see ti in 3D in Prime. None of the functionality changes, of course. Maybe she should shoot spazer beams or something.
Prime Suit: If the final model looks more like the Super Metroid suit we've been seeing, then we should at LEAST get an homage to the excellent Prime series in the form of a costume alternative.
Dark Samus: Here's where the much-desired (not by me) Samus should go. She would float a la Mewtwo rather than walk, and fire Phazon beams (with no differing effect, just looks blue and stuff).
Light Suit: I always thought it looked cool.

**Meta-Knight**
Classic Costume: MK's old mask from his first appearence in Kirby's Adventure. Has the standard, diamond-shaped Kirby sword.
Samurai Meta-Knight: From Samurai Kirby (in Kirby's Super Star). No cape, has a pony tail, sandals, a scar on one side of his mask, and a samurai sword.

**Pit**
Final Battle Pit: The Hermes-esque costume from the last stage of Kid Icarus (where you're flying around). No idea what it's really called.

**Zero-Suit Samus**
Justin Bailey: "Swimsuit" Samus from the first Metroid game. The first way we actually knew samus was a girl. Should have green hair.
Victory/Defeat TankTop: From Super metroid, the black tanktop you see either win you win the game or, briefly, when you die.

**Wario**
Classic Wario: The standard, yellow-and-purple affair that's a total rip-off of Mario, but essential to Wario's identity.
Bull Wario: Has horned Viking helmet from Wario Land rather than the biker helmet from WarioWare.

**Snake**
Future Snake: You know, the older looking Snake with an eye patch and a moustache. I really like it when old dudes fight. He has that whole "I seen things and done things that none of these young whipper-snappers even dreamed of" thing that Sean Connery has going on.

Any other ideas?
 

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I was gonna tell you that there's a thread already, but this one is different and a lot more thought out.



I completely agree with link's costumes. The Magic Armour from TP is so awesome!
 

Solid_Sneak

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Cool ideas bro.

Since I'm way too lazy to list off, I'll just give you one of my ideas:

SOLID SNAKE
Shadow Moses Mission Constume w/o beard.
 

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If Ridley's in:
Purple Color scheme, homage to the original
META Ridley, al souped up in awesomeness.
And maybe even MECHA Ridley, completely machine looking.
 

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Well, I said it in the other thread. Samus having the Power Suit, Varia Suit (with Gravity and Phazon suits as alternate colors), Fusion Suit, Dark Suit, and Light Suit would be fantastic.
 

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Seeing alternative outfits would be awesome. I was thinking the same thing for Snake and the camos from MGS3. You can get eyepatch or none. Shaved or not. Maybe a cigarette or not.
 

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if sonic is in, he should have a costume to make him look like shadow, and one to make him look like silver, as peach has one for daisy, and Cfalcon has one for blood falcon.
 

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**NESS**
Lucas: The star of Mother 3, sequel to EarthBound. Similiar looking to Ness but with a red and yellow striped shirt, blonde hair and no cap.

Clause: Lucas' brother, also from Mother 3. Red hair, blue and yellow striped shirt and orange shorts.

Paula: Here's a wild idea. Since Ness already uses most of the PSI moves Paula uses in EarthBound (PK Fire, PK Thunder) why not include a Paula skin for Ness? It would of course require a new voice set. A strange sounding idea at first, but it's a way to get in more EarthBound characters without creating clones.

**Ganon**
Orcarina of Time Ganon: As he appears in the N64 classic and in SSBM
Wind Waker Ganon: In his kimono. Not nessesarily cel-shaded.
Twilight Princess Ganon: In his cracked armor. I personally think this is how he will appear by default in Brawl since Link is going to be TP style.
Link to the Past Ganon: Blue pig!
 

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maybe you could also change their weapons, just looks not stats. or maybe we should stay away from a soul caliber type thing idk...
 

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i agree most on Link since they made the looks change in tp they should be able to do it in ssbb.
 

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Pretty much agree with everything here. As long as it's purely looks, it's all good.
 

bksands77

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i think it would be cool if you could choose any of their classic outfits from their various games, or from the ssb series

if they had luigi he could have his paper luigi, Mr. L, or waluigi

pichu would work better as an alt. costume rather than a seperate character than pikachu

actually any character that appeared in the paper mario series that is also in smash could use paper as their alternate, like bowser or peach and their attacks could be made of paper too
 

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Pichu, Raichu, Pusle and Minuns can be suits for Pikachu.

also, Roy, Marth, Alm, Eliwood, Ike can all be suits of marth, (assuming the posibility of Sigurd getting in, taking some of the other suits, or a female character like Lyn/Erika get in)

Peach/Daisy, definatly another great suit swap.

for Pit I was thinking exactly the same as u, same with Samus.

and I think they should just use the SFA fox in general, the command fox looks like the bell from Notre dame, not even kidding.

great list btw.
 

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If there is only 1 Alternate Costume in the whole game, I hope it is 3-Dified Mr. L.

I mean seriously, Mr. L kicked serious butt. Mr. L is probably the best incarnation of Luigi EVER. In addition, he's outfit is awesome and he has his own catch-words. "The Green Thunder Strikes Like Lightning!"

So..yeah, Mr. L for alternate costume!
 

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I am probably the only person on this entire site who actually wants Ridley (assuming he's a playable character, of course) to have an alternate costume other than Meta Ridley, but I would like to see Ridley X appear as one of his alternate costumes.



In Fusion, he took that form after being infected by the parasite, X. I like it because he looks even more like a pissed off purple dragon than his previous incarnations.
 

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hey, this is kinda like my topic, but different, ohwell~

anyway, for snake i wanna see snake eater style costume, and maybe a raiden costume.
for sonic, get all the other hedgehogs for costumes and throw in some of his alternate costumes as well, like the leather suits from rivals, and his PSO costume from SA2!
specifically:
shadow
silver
amy
metal sonic
super sonic
darkspine sonic
and possibly espio (O_O)


ahaha, for samus and zamus, throw in every look they've ever had. seriously!
for bowser, give him a giga bowser look.
for pokemon, just give them props/headgear/clothing, like what they had in ssbm..
for marth and (possibly) lyn, give them all the other lord characters as costumes!
that's all for now~
 

JesterBox

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I had some fun with Photo Shop

(Wolf Fox..sorta)
I reallize they can do much more with alt costumes


Angelo of Death Pit


(note: I did not do this one and do not take credit for it)


P.S. Is it ok for me to make a thread like McFox's Picks, or will you mods get mad at me? I"m suppling reasons and artwork work as well as fun kirby hats.
(question directed at mods)

Gypsy Lee you are not alone Ridley FOR BRAWL!
 

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That Samus pic is teh win. <3

Anyways, I had a list of ideas for costumes, but I completely forgot them. I'll edit my post and give them as soon as I get my list.
 

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eh... the starfox-> wolf one is really great, but I still think they should just make a new mesh for it.

people like me who knows how to make 3D figures and also knows how to program knows that making the figures is not a problem, the problem is animating them. since the animations for fox is already present, might aswell just attach a different kind of body to do exactly the same thing with the same hit boxes and everything, and use that as a costume?

samus one is great too but yea I kno u didnt do it (shouldn't be too hard anyways)

the pit one... eh... I still would use the original... black doesnt fit him too well.
 

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One of my buddies had a interesting idea for Alternate costumes. Each custom has something different to it, a different look to a move. Ex. Falcon's electric knee> Blood Falcon costume gets a Fire Knee, Peach picks out radishes> Daisy costume gets something idk a golf ball or whatever be inventive. The move would just look different but act the same.
 

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One of my buddies had a interesting idea for Alternate costumes. Each custom has something different to it, a different look to a move. Ex. Falcon's electric knee> Blood Falcon costume gets a Fire Knee, Peach picks out radishes> Daisy costume gets something idk a golf ball or whatever be inventive. The move would just look different but act the same.
so mabey insted of clone characters, they all fall under the same char?

I guess it could work, but then again there's gonna be so much more work for SSBB makers, and I rather them use that time to make less range of tiers.
 

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so mabey insted of clone characters, they all fall under the same char?

I guess it could work, but then again there's gonna be so much more work for SSBB makers, and I rather them use that time to make less range of tiers.
I agree that shouldn't be their focus at all, ut i just thought it was a neat idea. I am for and against tiers though.Balance makes sense and all that good stuff but when their is tiers i find the game more competitive and interesting. playing a lower tier against a higher tier is sweet.Look at ChuDat with IC's or Tipman with Ganondorf they took the low tier status and made something out of it. I would like that for brawl too. Rooting for underdogs i suppose.
 

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eh... the starfox-> wolf one is really great, but I still think they should just make a new mesh for it.

people like me who knows how to make 3D figures and also knows how to program knows that making the figures is not a problem, the problem is animating them. since the animations for fox is already present, might aswell just attach a different kind of body to do exactly the same thing with the same hit boxes and everything, and use that as a costume?

samus one is great too but yea I kno u didnt do it (shouldn't be too hard anyways)

the pit one... eh... I still would use the original... black doesnt fit him too well.
I just didn't want anybody getting mad at me for the Samus, both Fox and pit took about 5 mins tops.

I know what you mean, I use Maya what do you use?

crap still can't get the mods attention...
 

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I always thought there should be something like a customizable character aspect put into the game. Add accesories and such to the game's characters to make one that stands out and is mre unique than simple color swaps.

This idea is just as good.

Luigi + Mr. L Costume = pwn.
 

kirbykid

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It would be nice if there were many ways to customize characters. Whether it's....

More colors
More costumes
Interchangable B-moves
Different taunt phrases
Accessories

Maybe Kirby could have other kinds of shoes?

Kirby is so plain. :(
 

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I'm expecting that there will alternate colors instead but if there's alternate costumes, I welcome it.

Solid Snake should have the Naked Snake (MGS3) outfit and Ayra can have a Lyn pallette or vice-versa.

If they can mess around with crates and barrels, this could be possible. I wouldn't hold my breath but it can still be possible.

EDIT: The black and white Kirby was once a rumor where he was a Kirby pallette in SSB64. I guess Sakurai decided to make that rumor true.
 

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I still think it should work like this:

Each character has 2 "costumes" and 4 colors for each. The first costume will be the regular character, while the second costume will be a SLIGHTLY altered clone character.

For example:

Mario - 4 colors
Alt Costume - Doctor Mario - 4 colors/pills/different move variations

Marth - 4 colors
Alt Costume - Roy - 4 colors/heavier attacks/slower/shorter counter

Fox - 4 colors
Alt Costume - Star Wolf - 4 colors/*basically like Falco*

Pikachu - 4 colors
Alt Costume - Pichu - 4 colors/takes damage/sucks

Falco - 4 colors
Alt Costume - Krystal? - you get the idea.

This way, we'd have all the clone characters, so no one would really disappear, but they wouldn't be taking up an extra space. It's the perfect way to have our cake and eat it, too!

Mmmm... cake...

~Dac
 

JesterBox

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I'd rather not have alt costumes change stats

lol you made Falco a drag queen!

go back a page and look at my pretty images!
 

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I just didn't want anybody getting mad at me for the Samus, both Fox and pit took about 5 mins tops.

I know what you mean, I use Maya what do you use?

crap still can't get the mods attention...
I can't use anything costly, and I can't use anything too good since my computer sucks, so I use anim8or, a freeware.

costumes changing stats would
1.too hard to make (not really too hard, but still)
2. making the game way to complicated. why not just bring clones back then? it's gonna be the same anyways.

I think mabey just make it so every char at least gets 4 different costumes, and for chars that dont have different costumes, they can just do the color swap, (like Pit, or gannon or somethin)

Mario- Dr Mario - Raccon Mario - Super Mario (the white one) or watever
Luigi - vacum? - Mr. L? - no idea, I dont play Mario games
Fox - Wolf? - Peppy - Slippy (or like falco, watveer)
Pikachu - Pichu - Raichu - Pulsue/Minun or smething
Link... I have no clue, u guys deside, same with Samus
Marth- Roy - Ike - Sigurd (theres like a thousand more possiblities here)
Peach - Daisy - Pauline? -some other woman person... lol
 

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I'm expecting that there will alternate colors instead but if there's alternate costumes, I welcome it.

Solid Snake should have the Naked Snake (MGS3) outfit .[/B]
Hell yeah having Big Boss as an Alt. Costume would be so choice.
 

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I can't use anything costly, and I can't use anything too good since my computer sucks, so I use anim8or, a freeware.

l
There's a personal learning edition for maya and a free program called blender. I don't know how good blender is (i hear good things), but my only qwaurrel with Maya is that it's code seems unstable and it kinda self-destructs once in awhile.

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Alt's I want to see:
Wario's orginal duds, and that silly Wario man outfit
Never played Super Paper Mario but Mr. L looks pretty sweet,
Every Ridley
Dark Samus plus other suits
 

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Nice ideas, perhaps as unlockable features. Id love to she charaters like wario in their trade mark costumes as well as some of their newer ones.
 

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Having character costumes that chage the individual moves (fox->falco/Marth->Roy) would help to keep the character select screen from being too crowded with clones, depending on how many clones they decide to add.

Kirby needs more than just the color changes though. He could have starting hats that can alter his special moves slightly (but still keeps swallow).

Cutter Kirby -
up-b: Final Cutter (as always)
forward-b: Cutter throw
Down-b: Cutter Drop (drops at a 45-degree angle holding a blade out)

Something like that...
 

Ogre_Deity_Link

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As I've said in the other Alt. Costume threads, I wholeheartedly agree with this idea.

If Fierce Deity Link doesn't become playable, I want him to be an Alt. Costume, otherwise I'd like to see Magic Armor Link Alt. Costume.
 
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