[19:42:07] DarkLeon: Do you care if I play with Smash Balls on low?
[19:42:17] JaffarDS: yes
[19:42:28] DarkLeon: Why?
[19:42:40] JaffarDS: because smash balls and items are cheap
[19:43:18] DarkLeon: I like playing wtih smash balls because I find it fun and its a innovation ._.
[19:43:49] JaffarDS: I'll only play with them if I'm not being serious in smash
[19:43:58] JaffarDS: which is only like 15% of the time
[19:44:29] DarkLeon: *facepalm*
[19:44:41] JaffarDS: ...
[19:45:13] JaffarDS: It's cheap, admit it
[19:45:19] DarkLeon: No.
[19:45:26] JaffarDS: I could win a match just by getting the smash ball
[19:45:41] JaffarDS: woah O_O
[19:45:59] DarkLeon: Not relaly.
[19:46:02] DarkLeon: You stlil have to do damage
[19:46:06] JaffarDS: ...
[19:46:09] DarkLeon: You still have to basically fight
[19:46:13] JaffarDS: ok so
[19:46:16] DarkLeon: the smash ball is just a little extra, like a guaranteed KO
[19:46:55] JaffarDS: dude
[19:47:03] JaffarDS: Marth's FS
[19:47:18] DarkLeon: Oh yes go to the ONLY OHKO fs
[19:47:20] DarkLeon: to bomb them all.
[19:47:27] JaffarDS: sure some FS' do nothing
[19:47:32] JaffarDS: but they're still stupid
[19:47:36] JaffarDS: because I can't damage you
[19:47:42] DarkLeon: Yes you can
[19:47:44] JaffarDS: no
[19:47:48] DarkLeon: You can damage me when I have a FS
[19:47:51] DarkLeon: And you can evade the FS
[19:47:58] JaffarDS: when you /have/ it
[19:47:59] DarkLeon: Side step / Roll/ Air Dodge ftw
[19:48:08] JaffarDS: I mean, when you're USING it
[19:48:08] DarkLeon: I've dodged lots of FS' this way
[19:48:11] DarkLeon: <_<
[19:48:20] DarkLeon: You can't relaly get out of a combo in JUS (Jump Ultimate Stars) either
[19:48:24] DarkLeon: but do you complain about supports?
[19:48:29] JaffarDS: wth?!
[19:48:35] DarkLeon: Its something you can't get out of
[19:48:38] DarkLeon: So you are gonna complain about it?
[19:48:39] JaffarDS: that's not the same concept
[19:48:50] JaffarDS: I can still do damage moron
[19:48:51] JaffarDS: and
[19:48:53] DarkLeon: And there is only like
[19:48:56] DarkLeon: 2 or 3 combo FS's
[19:49:03] DarkLeon: Great Aether is one
[19:49:11] JaffarDS: it doesn't do a crapload of damage like FS can
[19:49:20] DarkLeon: A support combo can be a OHKO ._.
[19:49:28] DarkLeon: But anyways
[19:49:35] DarkLeon: There is only like 2 or 3 Combo FS's
[19:49:41] JaffarDS: so?
[19:49:44] DarkLeon: All the rest or like 1 hit
[19:49:46] DarkLeon: and
[19:50:08] DarkLeon: Every FS(cept transformations and beams) have a 1 hit start up
[19:50:13] DarkLeon: You dodge that 1st hit, t hen the FS is gone
[19:50:18] DarkLeon: which it isn't that hard to dodoge ._.
[19:50:22] JaffarDS: .
[19:50:29] JaffarDS: you still have to dodge them
[19:50:38] DarkLeon: You have to dodge getting hit with an attack too
[19:50:40] DarkLeon: so your point is?
[19:50:52] DarkLeon: Gonna cry over having to do a couple extra dodges?
[19:50:56] JaffarDS: a normal attack can't kill you like an FS can
[19:51:03] JaffarDS: you're being an idiot right now
[19:51:16] DarkLeon: AN FS isn't a 100% guaranteed kill either
[19:51:37] JaffarDS: BUT IT CAN DO A LOT MORE DAMAGE IN A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME THEN YOU CAN NORMALLY
[19:51:45] DarkLeon: <______<
[19:52:01] DarkLeon: And you can't just easily Dodge it?
[19:52:16] DarkLeon: I know you are gonna block me soon, I can already feel it
[19:52:19] JaffarDS: play with your smash balls for all I care. I won't be playing you
[19:52:21] JaffarDS: nah
[19:52:42] JaffarDS: ok
[19:52:44] JaffarDS: in that case
[19:52:50] JaffarDS: why not turn on all items?
[19:53:00] JaffarDS: I mean you could just /dodge/them
[19:53:11] DarkLeon: Sandbags You can't dodge
[19:53:19] DarkLeon: <_<
[19:53:20] DarkLeon: lul
[19:53:23] JaffarDS: .......
[19:53:28] DarkLeon: And most of the other items
[19:53:32] DarkLeon: are ********
[19:53:38] JaffarDS: Hammer?
[19:53:43] DarkLeon: Its ********
[19:53:44] DarkLeon: o_O
[19:53:45] JaffarDS: Smart Bomb
[19:53:55] DarkLeon: Smart bomb has like a 10% chance of being a dud
[19:53:57] DarkLeon: or exploding late
[19:54:05] JaffarDS: still can kill
[19:54:20] DarkLeon: Smash balls can't interupt comboes either
[19:54:25] DarkLeon: bob ombs/smart bombs can
[19:54:31] DarkLeon: if it spawns when you attac
[19:54:33] DarkLeon: *attack
[19:54:35] DarkLeon: then boomy
[19:54:46] JaffarDS: Do you go to smashboards by any chance?
[19:54:52] DarkLeon: No.
[19:55:24] DarkLeon: I go to Brawl boards, But I'm not a random troll idiot
[19:55:30] DarkLeon: My posts actually help people
[19:55:35] DarkLeon: On gfaqs I mean
[19:55:45] JaffarDS: you're trolling right now on AIM
[19:56:14] DarkLeon: By saying Smash Balls aren't bad?
[19:56:35] JaffarDS: all items are unnesscary from a professional standpoint
[19:57:32] DarkLeon: <_<
[19:57:46] JaffarDS: because guess what
[19:57:51] JaffarDS: THEY TAKE NO SKILL TO USE
[19:57:52] DarkLeon: All items / Half stages are unnesscary from that standpoint
[19:58:00] JaffarDS: yes, half the stages are
[19:58:03] DarkLeon: They take skill to dodge, they take skill to get before the other person
[19:58:10] JaffarDS: bahaha
[19:58:21] JaffarDS: they take no skill to *use*
[19:58:26] JaffarDS: I guess you read it wrong
[19:58:39] DarkLeon: Using Goes with Getting basically
[19:58:44] DarkLeon: And you can also knock them out of your opponent
[19:58:45] DarkLeon: <_
[19:58:45] JaffarDS: O_O
[19:58:52] DarkLeon: and
[19:58:53] DarkLeon: using them
[19:58:55] DarkLeon: requires set up
[19:59:02] JaffarDS: ........................................................................................
[19:59:12] DarkLeon: You can't just randomly have it and blast it out and hope to hit
[20:00:55] JaffarDS: Samus', Fox, Wolf, Falco, Pikachu, Sonic, Snake, Mario, Bowser, Ganodorf
[20:01:43] DarkLeon: bowser is a transformation
[20:01:52] DarkLeon: Ganondorf they need to be IIRC in front of you
[20:02:07] DarkLeon: Samus, just move in the opp direction (because it sucks you in)
[20:02:11] DarkLeon: Snake, is easy as heck to dodge)
[20:02:35] DarkLeon: Fox/Wolf/Falco, be a edge hogger (Jump off ledge then grab it again for invinicbility)
[20:02:51] DarkLeon: Snake/Pikachu...hmm...Sidestep/Air dodge a lot? I don't know here
[20:03:06] JaffarDS: You have got to be joking
[20:03:14] DarkLeon: What?
[20:03:26] JaffarDS: all this crap you're spewing out of your mouth
[20:03:32] JaffarDS: has to be just a complete joke
[20:03:32] DarkLeon: It works <_<
[20:03:33] DarkLeon: I've done it
[20:06:46] JaffarDS: then why do ALL the pros say they shouldn't be used in competitive play?
[20:07:05] DarkLeon: Because Pro's hate items with a passion for some reason.
[20:07:07] DarkLeon: *pros
[20:07:17] JaffarDS: why do they hate items?
[20:07:21] DarkLeon: And its a game, its mean tto be fun
[20:07:31] DarkLeon: a lil competitve I'll admit, but its mean tto be fun
[20:07:33] DarkLeon: *meant to
[20:08:04] JaffarDS: still haven't answered my second question
[20:08:20] DarkLeon: And they hate them because (I know you are just gonna say "LOL ROFL IDIOT" or something like that) they can't win with them <_<
[20:08:53] JaffarDS: why can't they win with them, THEY PROS?!
[20:09:13] JaffarDS: they're*
[20:09:24] DarkLeon: They are pros without items, not with.
[20:09:30] JaffarDS: ....
[20:09:36] JaffarDS: They've played with items before
[20:09:57] DarkLeon: Do they win quite often?
[20:10:16] JaffarDS: am I God?! Do I know ebarything?!
[20:10:29] DarkLeon: <_<
[21:27:41] JaffarDS: care to answer my question?
[21:29:21] DarkLeon: So you have no clue, so they could utterly lose with ittems?
[21:29:49] JaffarDS: it's not the point that they'll loose
[21:30:01] JaffarDS: it's the fact that it takes less skill to use them
[21:30:18] DarkLeon: It takes less skill to dodge more? I see
[21:30:33] JaffarDS: do you have a brain?
[21:30:37] JaffarDS: I said TO USE
[21:30:41] JaffarDS: not TO DODGE
[21:31:04] DarkLeon: Yes, but to evade them you need to dodge
[21:31:15] JaffarDS: yeah, but I never said that
[21:31:21] DarkLeon: And if you can't evade them, then you don't have skill
[21:31:34] DarkLeon: And I guess you thinK peach if for Nubs
[21:31:42] DarkLeon: Becuase of Turnip/BeamSaber/Bob-Omb Pick up
[21:31:46] JaffarDS: gah, I wonder what you got on the English section of the SAT
[21:32:10] DarkLeon: Typing is different then English.
[21:32:17] DarkLeon: Its all about key positions/Finger Positions
[21:32:23] JaffarDS: I'm starting to think you're illiterate
[21:32:27] JaffarDS: ...
[21:32:35] JaffarDS: blox'd
[21:32:42] DarkLeon: If I was illiterate I couldn't read rigth or type right
[21:32:43] DarkLeon: Stupid
[21:32:46] *** "DarkLeon" signed off at Sat Mar 22 21:32:46 2008.
Yeah, I know there's probably like 100 topics regarding this but I just want to see what you guys think regarding to what he said exactly. Now, I'm sure some of you agree with him but I just want a professional stance on what is wrong here and how to refute his arguements. Some things I know he says is wrong I'm just not quite sure what (like the whole dodging FS' and stuff)
[19:42:17] JaffarDS: yes
[19:42:28] DarkLeon: Why?
[19:42:40] JaffarDS: because smash balls and items are cheap
[19:43:18] DarkLeon: I like playing wtih smash balls because I find it fun and its a innovation ._.
[19:43:49] JaffarDS: I'll only play with them if I'm not being serious in smash
[19:43:58] JaffarDS: which is only like 15% of the time
[19:44:29] DarkLeon: *facepalm*
[19:44:41] JaffarDS: ...
[19:45:13] JaffarDS: It's cheap, admit it
[19:45:19] DarkLeon: No.
[19:45:26] JaffarDS: I could win a match just by getting the smash ball
[19:45:41] JaffarDS: woah O_O
[19:45:59] DarkLeon: Not relaly.
[19:46:02] DarkLeon: You stlil have to do damage
[19:46:06] JaffarDS: ...
[19:46:09] DarkLeon: You still have to basically fight
[19:46:13] JaffarDS: ok so
[19:46:16] DarkLeon: the smash ball is just a little extra, like a guaranteed KO
[19:46:55] JaffarDS: dude
[19:47:03] JaffarDS: Marth's FS
[19:47:18] DarkLeon: Oh yes go to the ONLY OHKO fs
[19:47:20] DarkLeon: to bomb them all.
[19:47:27] JaffarDS: sure some FS' do nothing
[19:47:32] JaffarDS: but they're still stupid
[19:47:36] JaffarDS: because I can't damage you
[19:47:42] DarkLeon: Yes you can
[19:47:44] JaffarDS: no
[19:47:48] DarkLeon: You can damage me when I have a FS
[19:47:51] DarkLeon: And you can evade the FS
[19:47:58] JaffarDS: when you /have/ it
[19:47:59] DarkLeon: Side step / Roll/ Air Dodge ftw
[19:48:08] JaffarDS: I mean, when you're USING it
[19:48:08] DarkLeon: I've dodged lots of FS' this way
[19:48:11] DarkLeon: <_<
[19:48:20] DarkLeon: You can't relaly get out of a combo in JUS (Jump Ultimate Stars) either
[19:48:24] DarkLeon: but do you complain about supports?
[19:48:29] JaffarDS: wth?!
[19:48:35] DarkLeon: Its something you can't get out of
[19:48:38] DarkLeon: So you are gonna complain about it?
[19:48:39] JaffarDS: that's not the same concept
[19:48:50] JaffarDS: I can still do damage moron
[19:48:51] JaffarDS: and
[19:48:53] DarkLeon: And there is only like
[19:48:56] DarkLeon: 2 or 3 combo FS's
[19:49:03] DarkLeon: Great Aether is one
[19:49:11] JaffarDS: it doesn't do a crapload of damage like FS can
[19:49:20] DarkLeon: A support combo can be a OHKO ._.
[19:49:28] DarkLeon: But anyways
[19:49:35] DarkLeon: There is only like 2 or 3 Combo FS's
[19:49:41] JaffarDS: so?
[19:49:44] DarkLeon: All the rest or like 1 hit
[19:49:46] DarkLeon: and
[19:50:08] DarkLeon: Every FS(cept transformations and beams) have a 1 hit start up
[19:50:13] DarkLeon: You dodge that 1st hit, t hen the FS is gone
[19:50:18] DarkLeon: which it isn't that hard to dodoge ._.
[19:50:22] JaffarDS: .
[19:50:29] JaffarDS: you still have to dodge them
[19:50:38] DarkLeon: You have to dodge getting hit with an attack too
[19:50:40] DarkLeon: so your point is?
[19:50:52] DarkLeon: Gonna cry over having to do a couple extra dodges?
[19:50:56] JaffarDS: a normal attack can't kill you like an FS can
[19:51:03] JaffarDS: you're being an idiot right now
[19:51:16] DarkLeon: AN FS isn't a 100% guaranteed kill either
[19:51:37] JaffarDS: BUT IT CAN DO A LOT MORE DAMAGE IN A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME THEN YOU CAN NORMALLY
[19:51:45] DarkLeon: <______<
[19:52:01] DarkLeon: And you can't just easily Dodge it?
[19:52:16] DarkLeon: I know you are gonna block me soon, I can already feel it
[19:52:19] JaffarDS: play with your smash balls for all I care. I won't be playing you
[19:52:21] JaffarDS: nah
[19:52:42] JaffarDS: ok
[19:52:44] JaffarDS: in that case
[19:52:50] JaffarDS: why not turn on all items?
[19:53:00] JaffarDS: I mean you could just /dodge/them
[19:53:11] DarkLeon: Sandbags You can't dodge
[19:53:19] DarkLeon: <_<
[19:53:20] DarkLeon: lul
[19:53:23] JaffarDS: .......
[19:53:28] DarkLeon: And most of the other items
[19:53:32] DarkLeon: are ********
[19:53:38] JaffarDS: Hammer?
[19:53:43] DarkLeon: Its ********
[19:53:44] DarkLeon: o_O
[19:53:45] JaffarDS: Smart Bomb
[19:53:55] DarkLeon: Smart bomb has like a 10% chance of being a dud
[19:53:57] DarkLeon: or exploding late
[19:54:05] JaffarDS: still can kill
[19:54:20] DarkLeon: Smash balls can't interupt comboes either
[19:54:25] DarkLeon: bob ombs/smart bombs can
[19:54:31] DarkLeon: if it spawns when you attac
[19:54:33] DarkLeon: *attack
[19:54:35] DarkLeon: then boomy
[19:54:46] JaffarDS: Do you go to smashboards by any chance?
[19:54:52] DarkLeon: No.
[19:55:24] DarkLeon: I go to Brawl boards, But I'm not a random troll idiot
[19:55:30] DarkLeon: My posts actually help people
[19:55:35] DarkLeon: On gfaqs I mean
[19:55:45] JaffarDS: you're trolling right now on AIM
[19:56:14] DarkLeon: By saying Smash Balls aren't bad?
[19:56:35] JaffarDS: all items are unnesscary from a professional standpoint
[19:57:32] DarkLeon: <_<
[19:57:46] JaffarDS: because guess what
[19:57:51] JaffarDS: THEY TAKE NO SKILL TO USE
[19:57:52] DarkLeon: All items / Half stages are unnesscary from that standpoint
[19:58:00] JaffarDS: yes, half the stages are
[19:58:03] DarkLeon: They take skill to dodge, they take skill to get before the other person
[19:58:10] JaffarDS: bahaha
[19:58:21] JaffarDS: they take no skill to *use*
[19:58:26] JaffarDS: I guess you read it wrong
[19:58:39] DarkLeon: Using Goes with Getting basically
[19:58:44] DarkLeon: And you can also knock them out of your opponent
[19:58:45] DarkLeon: <_
[19:58:45] JaffarDS: O_O
[19:58:52] DarkLeon: and
[19:58:53] DarkLeon: using them
[19:58:55] DarkLeon: requires set up
[19:59:02] JaffarDS: ........................................................................................
[19:59:12] DarkLeon: You can't just randomly have it and blast it out and hope to hit
[20:00:55] JaffarDS: Samus', Fox, Wolf, Falco, Pikachu, Sonic, Snake, Mario, Bowser, Ganodorf
[20:01:43] DarkLeon: bowser is a transformation
[20:01:52] DarkLeon: Ganondorf they need to be IIRC in front of you
[20:02:07] DarkLeon: Samus, just move in the opp direction (because it sucks you in)
[20:02:11] DarkLeon: Snake, is easy as heck to dodge)
[20:02:35] DarkLeon: Fox/Wolf/Falco, be a edge hogger (Jump off ledge then grab it again for invinicbility)
[20:02:51] DarkLeon: Snake/Pikachu...hmm...Sidestep/Air dodge a lot? I don't know here
[20:03:06] JaffarDS: You have got to be joking
[20:03:14] DarkLeon: What?
[20:03:26] JaffarDS: all this crap you're spewing out of your mouth
[20:03:32] JaffarDS: has to be just a complete joke
[20:03:32] DarkLeon: It works <_<
[20:03:33] DarkLeon: I've done it
[20:06:46] JaffarDS: then why do ALL the pros say they shouldn't be used in competitive play?
[20:07:05] DarkLeon: Because Pro's hate items with a passion for some reason.
[20:07:07] DarkLeon: *pros
[20:07:17] JaffarDS: why do they hate items?
[20:07:21] DarkLeon: And its a game, its mean tto be fun
[20:07:31] DarkLeon: a lil competitve I'll admit, but its mean tto be fun
[20:07:33] DarkLeon: *meant to
[20:08:04] JaffarDS: still haven't answered my second question
[20:08:20] DarkLeon: And they hate them because (I know you are just gonna say "LOL ROFL IDIOT" or something like that) they can't win with them <_<
[20:08:53] JaffarDS: why can't they win with them, THEY PROS?!
[20:09:13] JaffarDS: they're*
[20:09:24] DarkLeon: They are pros without items, not with.
[20:09:30] JaffarDS: ....
[20:09:36] JaffarDS: They've played with items before
[20:09:57] DarkLeon: Do they win quite often?
[20:10:16] JaffarDS: am I God?! Do I know ebarything?!
[20:10:29] DarkLeon: <_<
[21:27:41] JaffarDS: care to answer my question?
[21:29:21] DarkLeon: So you have no clue, so they could utterly lose with ittems?
[21:29:49] JaffarDS: it's not the point that they'll loose
[21:30:01] JaffarDS: it's the fact that it takes less skill to use them
[21:30:18] DarkLeon: It takes less skill to dodge more? I see
[21:30:33] JaffarDS: do you have a brain?
[21:30:37] JaffarDS: I said TO USE
[21:30:41] JaffarDS: not TO DODGE
[21:31:04] DarkLeon: Yes, but to evade them you need to dodge
[21:31:15] JaffarDS: yeah, but I never said that
[21:31:21] DarkLeon: And if you can't evade them, then you don't have skill
[21:31:34] DarkLeon: And I guess you thinK peach if for Nubs
[21:31:42] DarkLeon: Becuase of Turnip/BeamSaber/Bob-Omb Pick up
[21:31:46] JaffarDS: gah, I wonder what you got on the English section of the SAT
[21:32:10] DarkLeon: Typing is different then English.
[21:32:17] DarkLeon: Its all about key positions/Finger Positions
[21:32:23] JaffarDS: I'm starting to think you're illiterate
[21:32:27] JaffarDS: ...
[21:32:35] JaffarDS: blox'd
[21:32:42] DarkLeon: If I was illiterate I couldn't read rigth or type right
[21:32:43] DarkLeon: Stupid
[21:32:46] *** "DarkLeon" signed off at Sat Mar 22 21:32:46 2008.
Yeah, I know there's probably like 100 topics regarding this but I just want to see what you guys think regarding to what he said exactly. Now, I'm sure some of you agree with him but I just want a professional stance on what is wrong here and how to refute his arguements. Some things I know he says is wrong I'm just not quite sure what (like the whole dodging FS' and stuff)