My review: Fell free to argue points
I made a description for every character, because there are people who want the sure foots out of the game. Such as Bowser, Captain Falcon, etc.
Sonic – Sonic is more then deserving of the few precious 3rd party slots. He has was created for the sole purpose of rivaling Mario. Both of them in a game would be a great thing indeed. He has shown many signs of a potential moveset in his previous games, especially in sonic battle and also in his bboying skills which he demonstrates in many games.
Good introduction to your choice. Sonic and Mario are rivals, and the coolest part is that they are not only in separate games, but for a long while they were exclusive to different consoles. Everyone wanted Mario to fight Sonic. I feel it odd, that finally there is a viable oppurtunity for the two to engage in battle and people are opposed to the idea! People have been wanting this duel for the longest time, it is only fair that they get the oppurtunity to throw down. I wonder if Sonic will be faster then the Captain if he does manage to get in (which I think he definately will). I say he should be the fastest character in the game. That is what he is known for.
Mario- Confirmed
Luigi – Luigi was in the first super smash brothers and there is no reason why he should not be in brawl. He is a huge character in the Mario series and I think we can all agree he will appear in brawl.
Mario and Luigi both need to be in. But since this is the third series in the game I think their movesets should be almost different in every aspect. I think Luigi should lose the green missle (it is fitting, but he has actual moves that can be used instead of making random ones up) and gain the vaccumm cleaner. Although the vaccumm can be used to give a similar effect as the missile.
Peach – Peach is also a huge character in the Mario series and it would be foolish not to include her.
I think her specials need to be revamped to fit her latest game. Nearly all her specials were made up (which is not terrible, but now she has actual moves).
Toad – A lot of people do not like Toad, I on the other hand love Toad. He is probably my favorite Character in the Mario series (Luigi is up there with him though) and in any game where he is playable, I play as him. I understand the criticisms on how he is “too small” or “would have a lame moveset”. He can be resized and the developers can create a unique moveset, they are not bound to anything. On the Toad discussion thread someone made a very good list of points and counter points and I will post it on here once I find it.
Toad would be an awesome character, although I would give him only a 25 percent chance to get in. He is a Mario character which already has alot of representation. And I think Geno has a chance to get in over Toad (although Geno is not a true Mario addition in my eyes). But Toad is a vital part to the series, if nothing else but for humor. Plus he rounds out the MarioKart 64 crew. I think he should have powered rocket shoes in order to pull of MarioKart-esque moves, but that is just an idea.
Bowser – It amazes me that some people want Bowser out of the game. He is the signature villian of the Mario series, he will stay. He is one of my favorite characters to play in melee and there are many ways to help him stand his ground against the more prominent fighters (more on that later).
People that want him out of the game are purely tournament players. Bowser is too laggy in a game built on speed. Hopefully, Brawl will give a stun resistance factor towards heavyweights and take incrediably fast, simply executed power moves away from the fast characters. Plus giving Bowser a projectile fire based move may help his game more then his breath.
Yoshi – He was in the first super smash brothers which is reason enough to be in Brawl. He is another signature character that is as recognizable as Mario himself, and to leave him out would be a horrible decision.
I don't think the main 12 fighters will be touched except for Ness. He may be replaced by Lucas. Yoshi doesn't follow the normal guidelines. He has an insane 2nd jump, lacks a 3rd jump, and has a shield that works differently. If any other techiniques ar eintroduced in the next game, I think Yoshi should have a weird take on the move just to make him even more zany.
Zelda – I was convinced by some very good arguements to keep Sheik and Zelda together. Zelda has a lot more potential in Brawl with the upcoming Twilight Princess game. Another character that you can not come up with a possible reason to get rid of.
A morphing character needs to stay. It is such a fun trick. But it was executed wrong in Brawl. Zelda was suppose to be the brawler, and shiek was merely suppose to be used for racking up damage. Sheik has too many KO possibilites and edgeguarding tricks. That is Zelda's arena. The character should be designed so that a very good player will have to morph in order to contend with other good players. Also the morphs should be an extra attack and should be kinda fast.
Link - Confirmed
Ganondorf - Ganondorf is the villain of the Legend of Zelda series. Out of all the clones in melee he is the most deserving to move on to brawl. He is a great design and his moveset should be completely revamped (more on that later).
I like both Gannondorf from the Oranica game as well as Windwaker Gannondorf. I would prefer a graphically enhanced Windwaker Gannondorf, but would be happy with either. Either way both should use swords (not necessarily in all attacks) and magic while still containing the in your face attitude of Melee Gannondorf.
Mr. Game and Watch - Ah Mr. Game and Watch, this character by no means should be removed from brawl. He is an absolutely hilarious character and just a historical landmark for Nintendo. He stays.
Well said. People actually want this character to go! Its crazy. His beeping is too great. If he comes back I hope they make his throws a little crazier and add more 2D effects. For his airdodge maybe he could very quickly fold into a "paper airplane" like Paper Mario and swoop out of harm's way.
Wario - Confirmed
Ice Climbers - Despite the rumor about Ice Climbers being removed, they absolutely should NOT be removed. They are THE most unique characters in the game. No arguments there, they are a great move on Nintendo's part.
Yes. Ice Climbers need to stay. I wonder what new character ideas Sakurai will think up for Brawl (besides the 3rd part addition which is already great). I hope they compete with Dual partners and morphing.
Dedede – Dedede is a very interesting character, penguins wielding hammers are always appealing. He is the main villain in the Kirby series and smash could use some more villains.
I want all of the main villains in. My only concern is that King Dedede will be Kirby and the Ice Climbers (hammer moves) smashed into one. Since he has so much flavor and personality that wouldn't be that bad anyways, but he deserves some outlandish moves of his own. Unfortunately, there are only so many things you can do with a hammer. I say yes to the character, I am just worried how he will be designed.
Marth - The first lord of the Fire Emblem series. He is an incredibly popular character and getting rid of him would be a foolish Idea.
I am sadly a fool. I understand that people like graceful sword fighting characters. To me I just get bored of seeing slashes in different directions. I have to admit Marth has two very creative specials. The toward B and down B are flavorful and intricate. I would like there only to be one FE character. Some people want four. If there is more then one, I say they must have different weapons. But even that could get boring. So I am up in the air about Marth. If he does come back, he needs to be re-examed. His throw should not be as long and he should not be as quick as he is if he is going to keep his power and range.
Hector - Another Fire Emblem lord but, one key feature makes him stand out from the rest, his axe. There have been many complaints about too many sword wielding characters, well why not have a character with an axe? The axe is a very underused weapon in fighting games which is a real shame, its a great weapon.
Hector is the only FE character that would not make me too upset. But if the axe weilder got in I would say his older form should be used, when he has a beard. There are already so many pretty boys in Smash and not enough rugged characters. I guess Wario is a start, somewhat.
DK - Another character from the first super smash brothers game. He goes way back to when Mario first debuted. A classic Nintendo character.
I say DK should have the best smash in the game. Do you see what he is doing when you perform a toward A ariel? He is claping both his GIANT fists and spinning around, leaning his weight and thrusting his triceps forward to crush his hammerfist onto an oppenent's skull! Why does Marth's fairy cut downwards and Falc's ballerina spin hit oppenents down further? It is sad. Plus where is DK's sommersault?
Diddy – Easily the biggest character in the donkey kong universe (second to only DK himself). He has many opportunities to have a great moveset and is a long overdue character.
I don't know what to say, I agree.
Ridley – The trademark villain of the metroid series, a excellent character with a good design. Like Bowser was, Ridley could be resized to fit better on the stage.
If Dark Samus gets in I will be mad. If Dark Samus got in and Ridley didn't, I would be furious. He is a great villain. He has brawns and brains and he could be a frightening force to go up against. Of course his model design seems broken. He could fly, is strong, as projectiles, and physical range as well as weight. But then again Mewtwo could dstroy buildings with a thought and look at him. I hope if Ridley enters he won't be broken or lame. But I am rooting for him.
Zero Suit Samus – Confirmed, I believe that she will be a separate character from Samus. I do not want to get in the huge arguement over what was posted on the offical smash brothers website, it was vague to say the least. If you look at it when it says "This isn't a pure character addition" and "under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit" that is in the FIRST paragraph. With all the other characters the first paragraph is dedicated to the game they originated from. She is not a pure character addition because it is still Samus. Also the "under certain conditions, Samus will "remove" her Power Suit" that is more than likely than not talking about the Metriod Series. Besides no use removing a potential move from each character just for a few frames of transformation. Can you think of any B move of Samus you would sacrifice to transform to Zero Suit Samus? Yea, I didn't think so.
I agree 100 percent with your interpretation of that ambiguous and translated line. She should be a separate character. There is already a female morpher. And I think one morph is probably enough. Besides Samus is great. She doesn't really need to switch her style mid-game, she already has power, traps, and range.
Samus - Confirmed
Metaknight - Confirmed
Kirby - Confirmed
Falco - This is another character that puzzles me why people would want to get rid of such a great character. He is the second most important character of the star fox universe, second to Fox only. Another clone that is way more than deserving to have a unique moveset in Brawl. Removing him would anger many fans. I think his costume should also be different from his generic one from Melee. One of the costumes featured an a ending in Command shows a very awesome one.
I don't think he is the second most important character. I would argue Andross is. He is the reason why Fox had a job, plus he has such an influence on many events that occured in the game. Falco is a rival, sure. But so is Wolf. Only one is needed. Frankly, I would rather have my scientist moneky in with a body, but his odds are not good. I say two Star Fox characters only. One has to be Fox. That leaves Wolf, Krystal, Falco, and Andross (in my eyes) as possible options. I would pick Andross but the others are fine as long as they are not clones. I don't even want them to be "Luigified" versions of Fox.
Fox - Yet another character from the original 12. He should have his Assault COSTUME, but keep the melee proportions. A lot of people hate the assault costume, and I believe because its of the weird proportions they give Fox in the game. The costume itself is good.
I think you are right about the proportions, but the look is good. Fox needs to focus on a few strengths rather then having an advantage in every area. And his shine needs to bounce people up and at an angle rather then down and at an angle.
Megaman X – The signature blue bomber hailing from Capcom. I chose X besides the original Megaman for several reasons. In Megaman x4-6, X used Zero's saber, this opens a lot of moveset opportunities. Especially for the A moves. Also X has never been in a cross over, the original Megaman has been in several. Granted, I would be happy if the original made it.
I like the X design better, but I do not want him to have Zero's saber. This game already seems like it is going to be loaded with sword characters. Plus there is already a beam sword Megaman would be able to pick up if you put items on (assuming it is not taken out). But I think Classic Megaman would be the better historical choice, given that his games helped Nintendo get to its dominating gaming position. Either form would make me happy as long as he doesn't look to anime. I hate that look.
Captain Falcon – A prime example of a character entering Smash as nothing and turning into something. Now I don't mean game wise, I am talking about fighting wise. You never saw him show any signs of pyrokinesis in his games. This is a good reference to people who argue that “Y cants use X because in Y's game Y never uses that.”
Awesome guy. Hope you screams out more words in the next game. And I hope the characters get their intro scenes back.
Deathborn – I know I really should put Samurai Gorah here since his fan base is much larger, but I just cant stand Gorah. An overweight samurai does not appeal to me. I do not like Black Shadow because he is a less cooler batman that had his way with a little too many steriods. Now to Deathborn himself I absolutely love his design. Cheesy, sure, but a great one nonetheless. His moveset could be an awesome one. His play style could be similar to Ganon's since I assume he is getting revamped and a lot of people like Ganon's old moveset. Now I am not saying just slap on Ganon's Melee moveset onto Deathborn, some moves would be easy to transfer though, such as Ganon's Dair and Fair. His B move should be unique. I hope I made what I mean clear enough on this one.
I don't want any more clones. With that said, I think Mach Rider should be used as Captain Falcon's rival. But they look alike and are both drivers! Wouldn't they be clones? No. Not in my mind anyways. Rivals from separate games are cool. Like Mario and Sonic. Mach Rider and the Captain seem like they would have a natural rivalry just by personality alone nevermind their similar profession. Mach Rider is the cool loner. Captain is the loud mouthed, arrogant guy that never stops describing how cool he is. What a good fight. Plus I see Mach Rider as a more land oriented fighter with quicker moves, but not the insane foot speed of Captain.
But if there is no Mach Rider, I would be happy with any interesting character from the FX universe. Just no stale characters (I think Jody Summer would fit in this category) and no cloned characters. (The old Ganon moveset will still be in Melee).
Snake - Confirmed
Jigglypuff – The classic character that everyone thought (or at least I did) was the worst character in Melee (I am talking about during casual play). To lose to jigglypuff was to be humiliated. Why take that away? Another character from the original 12.
One of my favorites. Definately should stay.
Pikachu - Confirmed
Lucario – Probably one, if not the coolest of the new generation of Pokemon. Eventhough I dislike his character design, the spikes are my main problem with it, but after watching some clips of him he is a very interesting character. Also his fan base and the movesets that spawned with them also proves this point. I could easily imagine Lucario being an excellent addition to Brawl.
I agree, plus he represents two non-represented types.
Mewtwo – Another character I am baffled to hear that some people want him kick out. Sure he was not spectacular in melee, but with a new game comes new opportunities. He could easily be an awesome character to use, and there are a lot of things that could fix him up.
So many people wanted him in after the first game, and now they want him gone. Remember the designers were rushed. Psychic powers offer the potential for the wackiest, craziest B moveset of all time. But Mewtwo's B moveset is nothing special to look at and certainly doesn't offer much utility besides his shadowball (a somewhat copied move). His toward B and down B and Forward Smash need to be cooler and better. His stats have to be improved. I still say he show be an evasaive character with supreme dodging skills and good throws.
Wolf - The whole Wolf vs Krystal argument is dragged on to
o much unneeded. They are both excellent choices for new characters, and they should both make it onto Brawl. Wolf has been my all time favorite character from the star fox series ever since I played Star Fox 64. I consider him a sure foot in along with Krystal. Chances are he is going to be my new main. To everyone who says he would be a lame clone of Fox, stop being narrow minded. There are tons of lists around the boards that prove you otherwise.
I do not want wolf in if
A: Falco is also in the game
B: He is a clone or "luigified" version of Fox
C: He has an assualt based weapon focused moveset
Otherwise he could have potential. But I would still rather have Andross.
Krystal – Krystal, like many people before me have pointed out time and time again, already has a moveset that basically writes itself. The chance to wield her staff makes for a unique and very opportune character.
Eh. Not thrilled with the choice, but not disappointed either. Still I say Fox really should only have one other character to join him. Maybe two extras. Maybe.
Ness - Again, another part of the original 12, there is no reason why Ness should be booted.
The only reason for Ness being booted is if Lucas takes his place. They both should not be in because they look the same. (Sure you can argue that Jiggly and Kirby or the princesses look the same, but they are not from the same game). But I like Ness's design. Either case I don't care if Ness or Lucas represents the series.
Geno – Before you people freak out how I went over the three 3rd party characters limit, the 2-3 3rd party characters was a rough estimate and I see it as its possible to go a little over. I honestly think that there's a good chance for Geno and X to be in the game. I do not see any reason why Square would hold off on this character, thus probably one of the easiest 3rd party characters to get a license to use. Him being high on Sakurai's poll also helps his chances.
Initially I was opposed to Geno, but through reanalysis I have gotten around to liking him. I am not a fan of his character design (mainly the ugly orange curls), but his personality and his methods of attacks outweigh it big time. Even just for homage to one of the greatest rpgs ever made is enough to grant him a spot on the precious 3rd party slots.
Geno might be one of the most unusual and deserved selections of the 3rd part characters. Simon Belmont fights with a bullwhip (Zamus looks like she will fight with a whip). Megaman fights by charging his blaster and stealing powers from his enemies (this sounds like a weird love child between Kirby and Samus). Sonic, I think, is already a shoe in. This leaves Geno as a more unique choice in my eyes. Although I would be happy if Megaman or Simon got in. The only character that may be more unique is a Battletoad (which I would cry with glee if I saw one of them on the selection screen)
Skull Kid – I have to admit I have never played Majora's Mask. But his character design is an awesome one and from what I hear his potential is pretty big. The tentacles is a especially great idea and I would love to try this guy out in Brawl. His fan base is surprisingly large so it is not a long shot to say he will make it.
I say Skull Kid or Midna should make it in. Not only would there be another villain, but we would get a freaky, twisted looking villain. Bowser is the bully, Mewtwo is the brooding reject, Gannondorf is the power hungry face smasher, and Midna or Skull Kid could be the creapy bug eyed gremlin type who licks their lips after they defeat the hero. (Not sure if Midna turns out to be a villain, but she looks freaky nonetheless)
Question Mark? - Since I combined Sheik and Zelda again I have an empty spot. I would like to use it for an earthbound character but I do not know which one as I am not too familiar with the series. If you have any suggestions but please give an explanition WHY.
Pit - Confirmed
Your list is fairly good and I think it represents popular choices on these forums. It includes many villains which I think needs more rep. There are none in Smash and three in Melee. But the only new franchises you included were ones from 3rd parties. No other Nintendo games are represented besides the ones with characters already. I know with 40 as a set number it is extremely hard to cram in all the good characters. But this lets people appreciate how hard it is for the designers and why they do have to cut out characters from prequels. Since there is limited space I am against clones (Your proposed Deathborne moveset). That is why I think four Starfox characters are unnecessary. Especially when Falco and Wolf are fundamentally the same. Pilots and rivals of fox. I say King Dedede and Krystal as well as either Wolf or Falco would have to be cut. As well as another FX racer. I would add in maybe two retro characters and perhaps an Animal Crossing rep. But otherwise if these were the characters in Brawl I would not overly be disappointed. You have many good choices and you made good suggestions on what characters to keep and changes needed to be made. You have good ideas for the mechanic of the new game.
