Advice for my Zelda (vids)

[SwastikaPyle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQTKJgAUJ2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IppWvqZ_FpI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dz_s2B08-I

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfKm_Y06AVQ (video 4)

There is some bad language and cursing, so don't watch this you little kids. You know I can stop you.

 

[-Mars-]

You use dins far too much, in the second video the Luigi wasn't even that far away from you and you did dins from a standing position which led to you being FJP. If your going to ever use dins while staying still, make sure that they are far away from you. I usually like to be on the move whenever I use dins. Also try to tilt a little bit, dtilt and utilt are very good for combos and finishers, yet all you use on the ground are smashes.

 

[SinkingHigher]

Video 1:

No variety whatsoever. Din, F-smash and NL were pretty much all you did. The recoveries were obviously horrible. You died EVERY time because of bad recoveries.

You're not fast-falling your lightning kicks properly either which is why, iirc, they never connected.

The recoveries are probably what I would focus on first.

Kill 1: Well, just bad playing I guess. No real reason.
Kill 2: Again, could have moved to the right and then FWd onto the stage instead of the ledge. Love Jump would have worked perfectly.
Kill 3: Wait until you're lower and FW into the ledge. Zelda has an extremely predictable recovery by nature, so change things up a bit. I liked that you used the din Glide but you did it way too late - which covers kill 4 also.

If you want to connect lightning kicks on small characters, catch him in a sliding u-smash then f-air/b-air. Or, fall of the side of the stage and kick as you come back up.

You had no real spacing in that match. You kept rushing at Luigi without thinking of what you were doing/he was doing. Try keeping your eye on Luigi at all times. Don't look at Zelda. There's no need to.

So basically:

Learn when to use which moves. Practice with your other moves.
Learn to air-dodge.
Time your Dins better.
Learn to space.
Learn set-ups. (See the Sheik Guide in the Sheik forums. There is lots of info on Zelda there.)

Video 2:

Spacing is a big issue again, and an extreme overusage of Din.

Within the first minute I counted 4 times you could have followed up an f-smash/dash attack with a spike or some kind of hit, but instead you stopped and did dins, which NEVER work. Luigiking has learned how to avoid them, so don't bother as frequently as you do, and ESPECIALLY not as close to him.

Alright i'm sick of all the dins halfway in so I won't bother. I skimmed the rest of the vid. Again, I like that there is a larger variety of attacks now, but clearly you don't use them that often and so they rarely connect.

Biggest issues:

Timing
Spacing
Din/Not following up attacks. I counted about 10 times you could have killed easily but you chose to Din.


Video 3:

You seemed to do better. I don't want to make excuses, but it seemed like Luigi wasnt as good as before. He walked into many of those lightning kicks, but still, you connected them, so good job on those.

Still same fundamental problems.

Too much din.
Bad spacing/approach.

Better use of FW and U-smashes. You still need to practice U-airs.

 

[SwastikaPyle]

I guess I should have explained previously, I play against him a LOT. Like, he is pretty much the only other competitive player in the city. This means that we are both used to each others tricks, which is why you don't see me doing a lot of different things in those videos.

For example, I do tons of Din's Fire because it's better to sit back and make Luigi come to me then nothing at all. Also, the reason I appear to 'charge forward without thinking' is because he expects me to camp all the time. I do that to mix it up. You'll notice it works a lot of the time.

Also, what do you mean by 'following up a fsmash or dash attack with a spike'?

A ledgehopped bair or fair will NEVER work against him. The only time it will is if he's stunned from something else. It's not gonna catch him by surprise, if that's what you're thinking.

And you say 'catch him in a sliding Usmash to get a fair or bair'? How exactly does that work?

The reason you don't see many U-airs is because he knows how to avoid them. Look at 0:36 in the 3rd video. I have to work my *** off to make a Uair hit him.

In case nobody here knows, using FW against Luigi is the equivalent of death. If he has any skill at all, he gets a free fire uppercut on you.

Why is it bad to use Din's a lot?

Thank you for replying.

 

[-Mars-]

I guess I should have explained previously, I play against him a LOT. Like, he is pretty much the only other competitive player in the city. This means that we are both used to each others tricks, which is why you don't see me doing a lot of different things in those videos.

For example, I do tons of Din's Fire because it's better to sit back and make Luigi come to me then nothing at all. Also, the reason I appear to 'charge forward without thinking' is because he expects me to camp all the time. I do that to mix it up. You'll notice it works a lot of the time.

Also, what do you mean by 'following up a fsmash or dash attack with a spike'?

A ledgehopped bair or fair will NEVER work against him. The only time it will is if he's stunned from something else. It's not gonna catch him by surprise, if that's what you're thinking.

And you say 'catch him in a sliding Usmash to get a fair or bair'? How exactly does that work?

The reason you don't see many U-airs is because he knows how to avoid them. Look at 0:36 in the 3rd video. I have to work my *** off to make a Uair hit him.

In case nobody here knows, using FW against Luigi is the equivalent of death. If he has any skill at all, he gets a free fire uppercut on you.

Why is it bad to use Din's a lot?

Thank you for replying.

There is a difference between forcing approaches with din's and using it when someone is right next to you. Either use it when they're off the stage exclusively or use it when retreating or advancing. Using dins as much as you do is never good, the ending lag leaves you open too much, that's why it's mostly used as a spacing tool.

If you hit them with dash attack at the end of the stage, you can spike, thats what he means by that....sometimes it can get you a quick kill.

You don't have to just charge in recklessly, always have a purpose in what your doing.

Uair is a great move. If you jump and wait for the airdodge, it can be deadly. Just practice more with it and you'll be getting uair kills in no time.

 

[SwastikaPyle]

If you hit them with dash attack at the end of the stage, you can spike, thats what he means by that....sometimes it can get you a quick kill.

...only against an idiot. He's smarter then that.

You don't have to just charge in recklessly, always have a purpose in what your doing.

...I explained the purpose of it. Read my post.

Uair is a great move. If you jump and wait for the airdodge, it can be deadly. Just practice more with it and you'll be getting uair kills in no time.

I know. You can SEE me doing it if you watch the videos. However, he ALSO knows this, so he's moving his airdodges and retiming them to avoid them.

I'll say it again, we are very used to each other's styles. I'm not avoiding these moves because I don't know them, I'm avoiding them because they don't work.

 

[LuigiKing]

I hate to intrude on the topic, but to reiterate, the reason these videos seem so absurd compared to the current metagame (or lack thereof) is simply because we have both had to adapt to the other's play style. I cannot Dthrow to air juggling because he knows to airdodge immediately, and he can barely get any Uairs to connect anymore simply because I've learned to dodge them. I think we'll have to get some videos up against some of the other roommates, even if they aren't quite as experienced.

 

[SwastikaPyle]

4th video up