Abortion?

Elvish Panda · Mar 12, 2002

I m a very liberal guy- i believe in environmentalism, gay rights, separation of church + state, all that stuff. But i m dead set against abortion. i m not looking at it from a religious perspective, it just seems like a stupid waste of life. now i have no problem w/birth control, but, as one member said, unless you really know about abortion (i.e. if your a woman) you shouldnt be shooting your mouth off. of course thats what i m doing right now, but then again i m a pretty big hypocrite.

S_O_B_SlasherZ · Mar 13, 2002

Wow im gone for two days and get all this response...anyways Massy how do you know a unborn baby isnt sentinent being you ever ask one? A finished product of a fetus is typing at the computer right now! Suprised? Guess what you are to! And lets take in the fact that OUR government has said the Fetus is a human life and if you hit a preganant women and the baby dies you get charged with man slaughter!!! You cant slaughter whats not alive right? So thus abortion is taking life point blank period. So Massy as you so rightly quoted me *Thanks for showing your Ignorance!!!*

Massy · Mar 13, 2002

,

That, just up there, is a comma.

Please try and use them more often, as I'm tired of finding someone who speaks fluent moron to translate your posts. Now, I'm going to take this apart bit by bit.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Wow im gone for two days and get all this response...<hr /></blockquote>You must be proud.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />anyways Massy how do you know a unborn baby isnt sentinent being you ever ask one?<hr /></blockquote>Seeing as there is no one point at which a baby becomes sentient, and few ways it can be proven, I opted for the "cut-off date" of viability outside the womb. Until that point, the baby is part of the woman's body. Your general lack of respect for women underpins the whole pro-life argument. I would probably doubt the right of most men to take part in a discussion of this kind anyway.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />A finished product of a fetus is typing at the computer right now! Suprised? Guess what you are to![sic]<hr /></blockquote>Do you want a cookie for that one? The thing is, my parents chose to have me. It was equally their right not to.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />And lets take in the fact that OUR government has said the Fetus is a human life and if you hit a preganant women and the baby dies you get charged with man slaughter!!!<hr /></blockquote>Aside from the fact that your government is run by a trained monkey who can't yet chew his food properly, what any government says does not automatically become the truth.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />You cant slaughter whats not alive right? So thus abortion is taking life point blank period.<hr /></blockquote>You fail to grasp the difference between "alive" and "sentient." From the moment the zygote (Look it up.) begins to divide, it is alive, yet clearly is not yet more advanced than a bacterium.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />So Massy as you so rightly quoted me *Thanks for showing your Ignorance!!!*<hr /></blockquote>It was a pleasure. Now you can find a new cretinous catchphrase.

Liquid Entropy · Mar 13, 2002

massy...you have stolen my judo style...

You even used "you must be proud" which I used
but a few posts ago in the "LOL at thiests topic"

XDaDePsak · Mar 13, 2002

I dare ask what you mean by 'judo style', LE... in fear you have some witty remark waiting a nice set up. <img border="0" alt="[Bee's Smiley]" title="" src="graemlins/bee.gif" />

BTW,
I agree with everything Massy said, except the part where he called that S_O_B Slasher guy heterosexual. That was clearly uncalled for!

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Kokichi · Mar 14, 2002

Well, I believe it is very good. What if a girl gets ***** and becomes pregnet? What if she is drunk or under the influence of drugs and has sex? There are lots of reasons why you wouldn't want to go through with it. Abortion is great because if the baby came it could seriously ruin the women's life. Another thing to note is that when Xian's proclaim "You're killing a baby!" it is actually done in the early stages before the neuronic system is developed, so they can't feel a thing. You kill thousands of cells each day that are living. Does that make you a murderer?

Baby_Piccolo · Mar 14, 2002

Here it goes and I'll probally get **** for it.

I look at like this take a baby befor it learns to talk it speaks jiberish to us but to them its means something, well I feel a "baby" in its mothers stomach is the same way. It has its own language that it understands, now from this point, I wouldnt doubt if it knew something bad was happening to it inside its warm nice comforting home if it felt it. Im totally against abortion I think that its wrong. Adoption over abortion. Im just speaking my mind. If the child grows up being a criminal or Genius, every living thing deserves one chance to see the outside world one, wether this world be the one us humans ****ed up, or a totally reconstructed one. I guess this is all I have to say. People really just dont know if a fetus has enough power to actually figure something out. Im not a Jesus <img border="0" alt="[Freak]" title="" src="graemlins/freak.gif" /> freak. I believe in him and all but I really dont care. And I like what Peter_Wiggen said "I find it hard to believe that christians (Smashboards seeming religon of choice) believe that their god allowed the savior to die and yet when the option comes up to allow women to be able to choose to kill a non-sentant fetus they start yelling sinner." nice :D

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Oh yeah Im not a Christian Im Agnostic

[ March 14, 2002, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: Baby_Piccolo ]

S_O_B_SlasherZ · Mar 14, 2002

Wow I did'nt know so many members walked on water. Excuse me for my bad puncuation as I did'nt know it was life or death. Where you get I have no respect for women is beyond me. A women has every right to choose wether or not to have a baby.Just dont have sex!Im pretty sure if your old enough to have sex your old enough to know,that the Stork doesnt bring them.If the woman really doesnt want the baby.All she needs to do is keep her legs closed.I will admit that people that get ***** or are unable to make the decision should get a say so but less then 1%! of abortions are for that reason. Look it up.The other 99.9% of abortions are for the convinece.What if your parents while you were grwoing up thought it would be convienent to kill you so that they could buy that nice car they wanted?Or because it would be convienent not feed you.Your general lack of respect for human life underpins your whole pro-choice argument.All for the sake of CONVIENCE!And as for your just because your government said it doesnt make it truth comment I would hope your not American.We'll our government also say's that all men are created equal and that women deserve same treatment as men, but as you said because they said it doesnt make it true.By the way our President can chew, he chewed Gore's butt up so bad made him cry recount plenty of times.
This time im afriad im going to have to Thank your parents for showing their ignorance as they chose to have you! <img border="0" alt="[Starman]" title="" src="graemlins/starman.gif" />

Massy · Mar 14, 2002

I feel guilty for dignifying that with this reponse, but what the **** , it's quite fun. The whole "punctuation" thing makes your posts readable.

On second thoughts, don't bother.

Your lack of respect for women is shown by your disdain for "women who cant keep their legs closed." The ability to have sex is possibly the only good thing God (Just pretend okay?)
ever did for us, and yet you pour scorn on anyone who has the audacity to enjoy it. Morons who won't wear condoms are a far bigger cause of unwanted pregnancies, yet you choose to ignore this to make a cheap shot at women who don't conform to a wife/mother stereotype.

You say that out of all the 100.9% of abortions, 99.9 are for convenience and 1 is for ****/incest. This I'm not debating, I just thought it was kinda amusing.

If my parents had chosen to terminate me, I wouldn't be here to care. I wouldn't have known, because I would have never been truly alive. But they'd have a nice car to put their child in when they did decide to have one. Their convience [sic] would take priority, because they are alive, and I would not be.

As for Gore/Bush, if I got more votes than my opponent yet still lost, I'd probably ask for a recount too. I wasn't aware that getting less votes than someone else constituted "chewing them up." Not that they aren't both morons, but at least Gore has managed to master what most children have done by five. "No, you can't swallow that Lego brick whole George."

And now, I bid you adieu. You have yet to make any worthwhile posts on this forum, and I severely doubt that you ever will. I'll leave you here to talk to yourself.

S_O_B_SlasherZ · Mar 14, 2002

Im glad you find it amusing because its true.Abortion is a wonderful thing to a teenage girl who wants to have sex but is worried about getting pregnant so the simple solution is..abortion.Im not asking any women to conform to any sterotype just take responsebility for her actions.And a guy wearing a condom is a good point but then again they dont deserve to make a choice so its not there problem right?And sex is a good thing that God gave us but he wants us to wait until were ready for what follows.
And also we must have been watching two different elections because as they kept dogn a recount the votes kept going more and more in Bush's favor not to mention all the oversea's votes who Gore was too scared to count.Thanx for showing your ignorance and come again!!! <img border="0" alt="[Starman]" title="" src="graemlins/starman.gif" />

Cos. · Mar 14, 2002

I would think the unborn child lives from minute one. Getting rid of it would then be equal to killing it, and people must know for themselves if the want to erase a life. Sex originally isn't meant for plesure, but to reproduce, it just is "fun" so that being on that level participate in that act. There are risks from the beginning that have to be taken or not, and everyone has to look with him or herself what he will do with the consequences. And this isn't just a problem that women have to deal, also men should think a bit more about what they're doing.

Novowels · Mar 14, 2002

Hmm, well, most of the other intelligent posters have singled out most of the points I would have made, so I'll just sling one out there--

The female body randomly aborts fertilized eggs (I can't remember the exact percent, but who cares? That's still a HUGE amount of aborted "fetuses" when you think of all the women in the world) This is actually where the term "abortion" came from. If the body can do it, why can't we? We can do anything we have the medical technology to do.

WARNING -- DELVING INTO RELIGIOUS TERRITORY -- WARNING

And why isn't anyone holding God (whoever She may be) responsible for all those dead babies? Hmm? Sounds to me like God is all for abortion. Random abortion, instead of selected even! That's REALLY insane.

NOW LEAVING RELIGIOUS TERRITORY -- CHECK FOR LOST BRAINCELLS

I've always felt that until you cut the umbilical cord, a fetus is simply a part of the woman's body. You gonna yell at a woman for getting her liver removed if she doesn't want/need/can't live with it? Same thing to me.

Yes, I realize that's kinda extreme, but that's me for ya.

And condoms don't work most of the time, mostly through misuse or, ahem, "slippage." The government is just making it worse with this "abstinence education" crap. At least teach those poor kids HOW to use a condom instead of scaring the heck out of them AND leaving them ignorant.

XDaDePsak · Mar 16, 2002

Deep Thoughts
By Neil Davis

I think we should use a time machine to go to the future then ask the baby, when he is old enough to talk, if it's okay to abort him in the past. He might not agree with it immediately, but we could give him our phone number, and sometime during adolesence, he's bound to call.

[ March 16, 2002, 02:05 AM: Message edited by: XDaDePsak ]

Gamer4Fire · Mar 16, 2002

Lol, if they ever become suicidal, "We can make it so you never existed in the first place. That good enough?" "Better than good. Exactly what I wanted."

DaniGirl12031999 · Apr 3, 2002

First of all, I strongly beleive that what a person does to their body is their business entirely. Nothing I say is meant to insult the morality or personality of anyone. Someone made the point about the unborn child being a part of the woman's body, and, while that is true, you have to remember that the child is alive (even though not born or fully developed). The child is its own body, even if it exists in yours. Another true point is that most abortions are performed by "user-friendly" young women. I don't think that anyone who is irresponsible enough to not use protection or to even have sex in an uncommited relationship should be given the responsibility to chose whether the life they made should die. I beleive that sexual intercourse should only be performed between two people who are either married or know that they will be there for each other and the possible child. Sex should not be some carnal animal instinct, but a sharing of emotions and a sharing of the desire to feel closer to that person than to anyone else. If sex is right in the first place, a child shouldn't be unwelcome. Women also seem to be overlooking the fact that putting the child up for adoption is also a choice.

Vega Raine · Apr 3, 2002

Care to let me take this one, Massy? His wave of ignorance is large enough to knock anyone within a ten mile radius down ten IQ points.

Im glad you find it amusing because its true.Abortion is a wonderful thing to a teenage girl who wants to have sex but is worried about getting pregnant so the simple solution is..abortion.

People make mistakes in life. What if you were a woman and had sex because your boyfriend pleaded with you? What would you do if you then got pregnant? The nine months of pregnancy is too much to ask for someone who made one simple mistake and bids forgiveness. That unborn child would just remind you of your horrible mistake.

Im not asking any women to conform to any sterotype just take responsebility for her actions.

Trying to take care of a child when you can't even take care of yourself is hardly what I'd like to call responisible.

And a guy wearing a condom is a good point but then again they dont deserve to make a choice so its not there problem right?

What the hell?! I'm not gonna dignify that with a response.

And sex is a good thing that God gave us but he wants us to wait until were ready for what follows.

Accidents can happen, fool. People who make mistakes like that acknowledge it, and they bid for forgiveness. Like I said before, nine months of hell is too harsh for one simple mistake.

And also we must have been watching two different elections because as they kept dogn a recount the votes kept going more and more in Bush's favor not to mention all the oversea's votes who Gore was too scared to count.

Like Massy said previously, if I were Gore, I would want a recount too. I would do anything possible to make sure that the count was correct, because that is a matter of holding the greatest responsibility of all - taking care of an entire country - billions of people. But either way, they're both still idiots.

Thanx for showing your ignorance and come again!!! <img border="0" alt="[Starman]" title="" src="graemlins/starman.gif" />

The only person showing any ignorance in this conversation is yourself.

PorCorpWis · Apr 3, 2002

Early abortions are ok in extreme circumstances, before the baby ever becomes truely sentient.

Late term abortions are basically sucking the brains out of a tiny baby, and are blatant cases of murder. These should *never* be preformed. If it gets to this point, one should have the baby then put it up for adoption if they don't want it.

[ April 03, 2002, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: PorCorpWis ]

Craftstar · Apr 3, 2002

If you have an unwanted pregnancy, it's your fault for getting pregnant. Terminating pregnancy = nice word for killing developing baby.

P.S. The bible doesn't condemn sex for pleasure. Just a fact for all those athiests.

[ April 03, 2002, 10:01 PM: Message edited by: Craftstar ]

Vega Raine · Apr 4, 2002

If you have an unwanted pregnancy, it's your fault for getting pregnant. Terminating pregnancy = nice word for killing developing baby.

What about **** victims? Is it their faults that they got pregnant there too?

Even if not ****, what if you're pressured into having sex just so you can keep your boyfriend or girlfriend to stay with you? What happens when you impregnate her/he impregnates you? Are you supposed to let the mistake of trusting your boy/girlfriend stick with you for the rest of your life?

Why is it that people continuosly believe that having a child even though you can't take care of him or her properly is responsible?

PorCorpWis · Apr 4, 2002

It you are *****, use the **** morning after pill. There's no excuse not to. If you forget to do that, have an extremely early abortion. But if you wait so long that you're basically murdering a little child by having an abortion, that's your mistake, not the rapist's. If you wait too long, deliver the baby then put it up for adoption...

JBird1203 · Apr 4, 2002

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by PorCorpWis:
It you are *****, use the **** morning after pill. There's no excuse not to. If you forget to do that, have an extremely early abortion. But if you wait so long that you're basically murdering a little child by having an abortion, that's your mistake, not the rapist's. If you wait too long, deliver the baby then put it up for adoption...<hr /></blockquote>Woah, woah, woah. ABORTION IS NOT MURDER. Let me e;aborate as to why:
1. If you were to take the fetus out of the uterus after say... 5 months, would it be alive? under normal, common circumstances, NO.
2. The first definition of, "living," in the Merriam-Webster dictionary is to, "be alive," and that does not tell you what living is, it's only a synonymous phrase. But the second definition (therefore being the second most common usage of the word, only behind the aforementioned use), is, "conduct one's life." A baby at 5 months is incapable of conducting life, i.e. keeping it's heart beating, etc.
(The following are courtesy of the great George Carlin)
3. If a fetus is a human being, why isn't it counted in the census ?
4. If a fetus is a human being, why is there no funeral after a miscarriage, or an abortion for that matter?
5. If a fetus is a human being, why is it that when a woman is asked, "how many children do you have," she'll respond, "I have 2 children and 1 on the way," instead of, "I have 3 children."?

In all, abortion simply ends life before it starts. That is in no way a murder.

Gamer4Fire · Apr 4, 2002

Stops life from occuring might have been a better phrase.

Also, the morning after pill 'cleans' the womens' system for five days, so if their was conception, it would have been the same as an abortian. So, HAH!

Abortion?

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