A very serious question.

[Tank McCannon]

Now, I want everyone to answer this honestly, and please, really really think about this question.

The final roster has been getting a lot of bad buzz. Not a lot of people seem satisfied, but really, it is just a matter of opinion. Now, this question is more so for the people that are disappointed, but those that aren't can answer as well.

My question to you is...

If we had the exact same, EXACT SAME roster as we do now, but ROB and Wolf were introduced way back at the first E3 with Brawl, and Sonic and Snake were revealed as the final two character through the spoilers we've been receiving, would you have been disappointed by the roster?

For the people who are disappointed, would your opinion be any different if the events rolled out like I mentioned above? If so, explain how. If not, that's fine too, just explain why it wouldn't make any difference.

To the people who aren't disappointed, how do you think everyone else would've reacted? Would your opinion have changed for any reason?

I honestly believe that if Sonic and Snake were introduced last, most everyone would've been perfectly happy with the roster. There would still be a few that felt sour because their favorite character didn't make it, but for Sonic and Snake to cap off all of the hype that has been building up with this game, the roster would've seemed much more satisfying.

Now remember, there's no wrong answer. I want no arguing here, even if someone makes a point that you think is completely wrong, just ignore it. This is for everyone. Play nice.

Discuss.

 

[S2]

Well I was happy to find out ROB was in. The only thing I wasn't happy about was M2's cut.

Honestly, people are complaining because the obscure characters they wanted aren't in. Even when Sonic was announced there were a ton of "Sonic don't belong in Smash" topics.

 

[Ezkl]

I've actually thought about this scenario and I think its a good one to think about. I myself would probably would have been blown away by the roster if sonic and snake were introduced later. But really, Im not disappointed with roster.

 

[bluekitsune13]

I think that is exactly why people are angry with the roster. Practically all the newcomers were made as starters, and were announced prior to the Japanese release. The roster is fine the way it is, it was just the way it was presented. I think that it was too hyped up in the beginning, so the hype is starting to die down now.

 

[SolidSonic]

If we had the exact same, EXACT SAME roster as we do now, but ROB and Wolf were introduced way back at the first E3 with Brawl, and Sonic and Snake were revealed as the final two character through the spoilers we've been receiving, would you have been disappointed by the roster?

I honestly believe that if Sonic and Snake were introduced last, most everyone would've been perfectly happy with the roster. There would still be a few that felt sour because their favorite character didn't make it, but for Sonic and Snake to cap off all of the hype that has been building up with this game, the roster would've seemed much more satisfying.

Now remember, there's no wrong answer. I want no arguing here, even if someone makes a point that you think is completely wrong, just ignore it. This is for everyone. Play nice.

Discuss.[/QUOTE]

I'm disappointed because they left out certain characters(who are more deserving), included a lot of clones, and included ROB.

The order of the announcements doesn't make much of a difference in the end.

If Snake and Sonic were announced last, then my overall impressions of the roster would be the same. Of course I'd be happier/extatic at the moment since they were hypothetically just announced, but after this initial impression subsided I would be disappointed w/ other roster decisions they made.

 

[Ezkl]

I think that is exactly why people are angry with the roster. Practically all the newcomers were made as starters, and were announced prior to the Japanese release. The roster is fine the way it is, it was just the way it was presented. I think that it was too hyped up in the beginning, so the hype is starting to die down now.

I think this was exactly the problem.

 

[Viking Ness]

I agree mostly with your point, but the problem is that people are whining about a game they haven't played yet. 95% of the people complaining are those who are hearing opinions and first impressions from the people who have played it.

People complained about GaW when he first came out but he turned out to be fun and developed a fanbase, even if he wasn't top tier.

Bottom line, brawl will be FUN. It clearly isn't the best game on the face of the planet but every game has flaws and once it is mass released and is played by more people, the haters will soften up and fun will be had by all

 

[Bane84]

I used to be disappointed with this roster because I was really pulling for Megaman, but I really don't care about that anymore. After watching the gameplay video of the Green Hill Zone in action, my interest in this game has been revamped.

 

[LeonWorth]

I'm perfectly happy with the roster. I'll be even happier when the game is released on time =D

 

[Copperpot]

I like the roster. My only gripe is that there are still (semi-)clones, but that is a technicality that I'll gladly ignore after playing the game for a while.

 

[Maikeru17]

This was a good scenario to bring up, TC. It makes a whole lot of sense.
I feel a lot of people would be a lot less upset about the final roster, save anyone not too happy because their favorite character didn't make it.

And I personally have no problem with the roster - the scenario you brought up would have actually made me quite ecstatic about it.
However, I am upset with WWLink being there at all, and how they stabbed Ganon in the back.

And ROB is just the man.

I think that is exactly why people are angry with the roster. Practically all the newcomers were made as starters, and were announced prior to the Japanese release. The roster is fine the way it is, it was just the way it was presented. I think that it was too hyped up in the beginning, so the hype is starting to die down now.

+rep for you.
I completely agree.


-Nox

 

[Xivk]

Everything bout the game is great,fine anyone people use. Only thing i was slightly dissapointed of is my sig.

 

[Antinegative]

The order the characters were released in doesn't change the fact that 3 characters have the same final smash, and clones still exist in the game. The game will be fun, but the truth is there is no excuse for the roster issues.

I would choose a fully unique Ganondorf move-set over that stupid Masterpiece game mode, for example. Why was more time not spent on the core mode of the game? The roster and the unique feel of each character is what makes fighting with them fun. When I'm playing Brawl down the line years from now, its probably going to be to brawl with my friends, not to collect stickers or play with the coin launcher. Unique characters should have come first, other less important gameplay modes a distant second.

 

[UncleGrandfather]

If Sonic and Snake were announced last, everyone would be much less disappointed but I'm sure that there would have been leaks predicting it so it wouldn't have been too surprising.
Also, the demand for Sonic would have been huge if it wasn't announced earlier. There would be a bunch of people saying "If Sonic isn't in........". That hype would have resulted in a sigh of relief when Sonic was announced instead of the anger of disappointment when we get ROB and Wolf as the last characters.

 

[Reyairia]

Yes, I would have.

 

[DraginHikari]

The order the characters were released in doesn't change the fact that 3 characters have the same final smash, and clones still exist in the game. The game will be fun, but the truth is there is no excuse for the roster issues.

I would choose a fully unique Ganondorf move-set over that stupid Masterpiece game mode, for example. Why was more time not spent on the core mode of the game? The roster and the unique feel of each character is what makes fighting with them fun. When I'm playing Brawl down the line years from now, its probably going to be to brawl with my friends, not to collect stickers or play with the coin launcher. Unique characters should have come first, other less important gameplay modes a distant second.

Here's what I think, they left the clones alone actually to appeal to the long time players why? Because alot of people especially those in the competitive seen used the clones as much as any other characters. Falco, Gannodorf, and Young Link were all three ones that I heard being used in the competitive scene by a number of people. I think they're mindset was to avoid changing them too much as overall characters.

And it's been stated several times, the people working on characters ARE NOT the same people working on the other modes. It doesn't TAKE AWAY from that sections BECAUSE they did that section.

 

[Chaosblade77]

It doesn't change the semi-clones or the unbalanced franchise representation, so I would probably feel no different than I do now. I never cared anything about Snake or Sonic. I don't own a Playstation and never cared enough to pick up the GCN Metal Gear game, and I guess it's great that Sonic is in for his history, they are not game breaking additions for me though.

 

[lookatthatbaconsizzle]

I don't mind that the roster has clo0nes on it, because at least they AREN'T exactly the same thing like they were in Melee. I just think that cloning FS (Yeah! LandMastertastic!) is just pathetic and shows lack of originality. Which is odd because I know that Sakurai has a LOT of originality and great ideas. You can tell just by looking at the game itself.

I'm just disappointed because Ganon is STILL a clone, and I don't understand that... He could be so much more. Also I don't consider Wolf a clone, at least not from the videos I've seen.

 

[MilesPrower]

It doesn't change the semi-clones or the unbalanced franchise representation, so I would probably feel no different than I do now. I never cared anything about Snake or Sonic. I don't own a Playstation and never cared enough to pick up the GCN Metal Gear game, and I guess it's great that Sonic is in for his history, they are not game breaking additions for me though.

Who is, then? Just curious.



Well, Sonic was enough for me since I grew up with him. I didn't know who Snake really was at the time but I knew about the Metal Gear series. I thought he was a weird, weird addition and might actually screw up Brawl, but I think they're taking a much more.... humorous approach to it.

Really, I don't know who else I wanted in Brawl. The only one I sorta wanted was Tails and I knew that wasn't gonna happen. But who cares? I have Sonic, ALL THREE KIRBY CHARACTERS, Green Stache, and "Blue Anubis" lol. And I wasn't even supporting that last one but he looks awesome and looks to be awesome, too.

I sorta wanted Geno and Mega Man, but I'm way, way over it now.


Here's to March 9th.

 

[DumHonkey]

*yawn*....

 

[RedrappeR]

The order the characters were released in doesn't change the fact that 3 characters have the same final smash, and clones still exist in the game. The game will be fun, but the truth is there is no excuse for the roster issues.

I would choose a fully unique Ganondorf move-set over that stupid Masterpiece game mode, for example. Why was more time not spent on the core mode of the game? The roster and the unique feel of each character is what makes fighting with them fun. When I'm playing Brawl down the line years from now, its probably going to be to brawl with my friends, not to collect stickers or play with the coin launcher. Unique characters should have come first, other less important gameplay modes a distant second.

Way to ignore the question entirely so you can go off on your own tirade to reel off topic. Good job!

 

[Tonb3rry]

I'm sick and tired of people complaining on the roster, and as most people haven't played the game, they can't really tell whether the characters are clones or not. Stop crying, and wait for the game. The only negative thing is the advanced techniques who got removed, but except for that, the mayority got what they wanted. Sonic, Meta Knight, King Dedede, and whatever. R.O.B looks low tierish, but he might be cool to play. The roster got the most important characters, as well as a LOT of stages pluss a stage builder, how much more can you ask for(except for advanced techniques)?

"Boo f*cking hoo! The roster got no Tails, Krystal or other characters i wanted!", stop being emos.

 

[Tank McCannon]

I'm sick and tired of people complaining on the roster, and as most people haven't played the game, they can't really tell whether the characters are clones or not. Stop crying, and wait for the game. The only negative thing is the advanced techniques who got removed, but except for that, the mayority got what they wanted. Sonic, Meta Knight, King Dedede, and whatever. R.O.B looks low tierish, but he might be cool to play. The roster got the most important characters, as well as a LOT of stages pluss a stage builder, how much more can you ask for(except for advanced techniques)?

"Boo f*cking hoo! The roster got no Tails, Krystal or other characters i wanted!", stop being emos.

If you're not going to contribute to the topic, please don't post here. Thank you.

 

[sarevok6]

Way to ignore the question entirely so you can go off on your own tirade to reel off topic. Good job!

actually it wasnt of topic. Hes saying that the order had nothing to do with the dissapoinment when they could have put a little effort into the characters and not as many people would be dissapointed to find out that now we have 3 foxes in the game. Maybe ridley will get in and ganon will get his sword when the next nintendo console comes out >.<

 

[RedrappeR]

actually it wasnt of topic. Hes saying that the order had nothing to do with the dissapoinment when they could have put a little effort into the characters and not as many people would be dissapointed to find out that now we have 3 foxes in the game. Maybe ridley will get in and ganon will get his sword when the next nintendo console comes out >.<

So, he didn't answer the question at all then? Okay. Gotcha.

 

[Bakemonky]

I understand what you are saying. I thought the same thing, but seriosuly.

3 fox clones. There was no need for this. There are no excuses.

 

[ALB247]

I think MetaKnight has cool hair.

 

[Antinegative]

And it's been stated several times, the people working on characters ARE NOT the same people working on the other modes. It doesn't TAKE AWAY from that sections BECAUSE they did that section.

Sorry, but this is no excuse either. Time and resources were spent on making other modes that could have been used to help the roster. You are telling me they couldn't tell the guys working on Masterpiece mode to cut it out and put together an original move-set for one of the clones? Or at least think of a different final smash for Falco and Wolf?

Way to ignore the question entirely so you can go off on your own tirade to reel off topic. Good job!

Way to totally fail at reading my post. Try reading it again; if you still are having trouble then maybe its time for your nap.

 

[GemniEclipse]

I agree mostly with your point, but the problem is that people are whining about a game they haven't played yet. 95% of the people complaining are those who are hearing opinions and first impressions from the people who have played it.

People complained about GaW when he first came out but he turned out to be fun and developed a fanbase, even if he wasn't top tier.

Bottom line, brawl will be FUN. It clearly isn't the best game on the face of the planet but every game has flaws and once it is mass released and is played by more people, the haters will soften up and fun will be had by all

well i do think it is the best game in the face of the planet, it just could be even better (or worse) as with anything

 

[Your Hero]

Honestly, people are complaining because the obscure characters they wanted aren't in.

Could you please stop talking like you're god? Thanks in advance.

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On topic:

Of course people would feel better if that were the case, It would make a lot more sense if you said PT and Sonic, since those seem to be the 2 most popular characters in brawl atm (plus others of course).

 

[Norm]

If they hadn\'t have revealed everything by now we would be singing a different tune.

 

[BananaNut]

Well, If they did hold off snake and sonic to announce now, I think everyone would be much happier with the roster. And, while the roster is definetally lacking IMO, The subspace Emmasarry will greatly make up for that.

 

[Thrull]

I would agree with the idea that this dissapointment is mainly based on the perspective set up by the way the characters were revealed. I mean, characters which are technically completely new (the twelve non-clones posted on the Dojo as newcomers) have been looked over so closely by now that people seem to think of them as veterans.

Metaknight is old hat. Wario? We all know what he's like already, right? We did see him in that one video that one time...

Most of us have not even played the new characters ONCE and yet this is the attitude. People are desperate for just a little bit more to tide them over for the next two months.

 

[mista_mista]

I honestly would have had a better reaction if snake and sonic were revealed at the end. I still have the sour taste of Wolf

However, after a few days, it won't really make a difference and I'll get over it.

 

[PukeTShirt]

this is definitely a good idea. I think a whole lot of the reason for disappointment was not just that the new characters got announced real early, but that we got DAILY updates. Consider if the Dojo didn't happen the way it did, and all we got was a video every few months like other games get. Then, with the huge rush of info, we would all be flipping out. So yes, I agree with what you mean, but I think it boils down to the exact idea that we got so much info so soon.
I was disappointed with no Ridley, but I'll get over it soon. Its still going to be fun as hell

 

[DTR]

hey phil... im patrick, one of the kids from canfield...

i dont see why ppl can complain about the roster... i think its pretty nice.

i personally would have been disappointed if stupid characters like ridley and geno were in it. id rather not play as a naked doll and ridley just doesnt make much sense. The only character im disappointed in at all is ROB. He just seems kinda stupid

 

[A New Challenger]

We could all play woulda coulda shoulda and ask "What if the roster were only Mario, Kirdy, Link until release day?" but the fact of the matter is, it wasn't.

A high bar was set by Sakurai, promising us unforetold secrets and legendary amounts of content, which made us all think, logically enough, that beyond the awesome initial revelations about the roster, there were even more good, unique character reveals in store.

Instead, we got a handful of needless clones (appeasing tourney players my *** - they're tourney players for a reason. They practice obsessively, they are skilled enough at braking the game to find new mains. I had to flop around a bit from SC2 to SC3, live with it) and R.O.B. - who literally nobody wanted.

This isn't about "Boo-Hoo, my character isn't in." I main freaking Link. The only character I wanted personally was some form of Capcom representation, and I knew there wasn't a shot in hell. But I at least figured that given the quality of the game as we'd seen it thusfar, the final roster would've displayed a little more inginuity and effort.

I can understand Ridley and Geno not being in. But I hate Bowser Jr. and Krystal both, and yet even I can admit I expected them.

And yes, we do have a right to be pissed about the amount of time spent on needless gameplay modes. As "EPIC" as Subspace Emissary is, it was apparently popped open like a can of PRingles in under 2 days. Great job. And that's the only one we were really looking forward to. Admit it - nobody was nutting themselves over stickers or the coin launcher or masterpieces or chronicle. Hell nobody even plays coin battle, or will use ******** features like 'Rotation.'

If any of these things had been dropped - any one of them - we'd have one more playable character. So look at it this way - one more unique addition to the playable roster, or coin battle?

Go ahead. Tell me Sakurai managed his team's time perfectly. Lie to yourself, and have fun doing so.